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    El Paso.....

    What's your take on the migrant crisis in El Paso? I'm getting worried, I really am. Rob

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    What are you worried about, Rob?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    What are you worried about, Rob?
    I worry about violence against the migrants. Rob

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    I heard that asylum rules will be tightened and it's about time. Currently any violent thing that could happen to you is a cause for asylum, but you don't see people from the South Side of Chicago running up to Canada for asylum because some gang doesn't like them and might try to kill them. We can't solve the whole world's problems.

    I do think the ban on people we do admit as refugees working while awaiting legal proceedings should be lifted as there is a labor shortage.

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    The border is a big giant mess. Our U.S. immigration policies need a major overhaul, but I do not know what the answer is. Fortunately the Democrats will be able to solve it all, no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The border is a big giant mess. Our U.S. immigration policies need a major overhaul, but I do not know what the answer is. Fortunately the Democrats will be able to solve it all, no doubt.
    For once I agree with your snark, IL. Given that Kamala Harris was tasked with being Border Czar and has done absolutely nothing in regards to the myraid issues at the Southern US border (other than making a brief speech last year in Guatemala City in which she said to potential migrants "Do not come" twice) - I share your lack of faith in Democrats finding border solutions.

    Should we all be buying lottery tickets after my above statement LOL?

    For the record I don't want a replay of the Trump Era border, either. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    For once I agree with your snark, IL. Given that Kamala Harris was tasked with being Border Czar and has done absolutely nothing in regards to the myraid issues at the Southern US border (other than making a brief speech last year in Guatemala City in which she said to potential migrants "Do not come" twice) - I share your lack of faith in Democrats finding border solutions.

    Should we all be buying lottery tickets after my above statement LOL?

    For the record I don't want a replay of the Trump Era border, either. Rob
    The border is a big thorny mess and there’s no political will to bring clarity to it. No political will by either political side. It’s a difficult issue but they’ve shown us that they can’t do anything hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The border is a big thorny mess and there’s no political will to bring clarity to it. No political will by either political side. It’s a difficult issue but they’ve shown us that they can’t do anything hard.
    I also agree with you, IL, that there seems to be no political will on either side to come up with a saner border. Why do you think this is? Right now it's sure not making the Dems look good....Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The border is a big thorny mess and there’s no political will to bring clarity to it. No political will by either political side. It’s a difficult issue but they’ve shown us that they can’t do anything hard.
    I do not believe either side especially wants to resolve the situation and institute the sort of structural reform that would be necessary, since the existing situation provides them such a wonderful issue for rallying their "base", fund-raising, and getting press coverage.

    Neither party especially seems to have much interest in real problem-solving or governance.

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    I suspect a lot of businesses using illegal immigrant labor like things just like they are. So they will complain there aren't enough workers, and anyway noone wants to do these jobs, we need illegal immigrants. Ok so suppose that's true, there aren't enough workers. Then why not grant large scale amnesty and make them citizens or at least some type of legal immigrant? But then labor protections like minimum wage would apply, especially to citizens. And I doubt employers of illegal immigrants want to be bound by that. They like the "I don't have to obey laws like minimum wage, and my employees don't have the legal right to do a darn thing about anything in the workplace no matter how bad, because they fear deportation" status quo I suspect. But what if no citizens would ever be willing to do certain jobs, minimum wage and other legal protections, or not? Then guest worker programs, but even that is limited to actual needs like agriculture, it's not unlimited.

    Meanwhile with the status quo, the economy has come to rely on a set of workers for whom all the usual laws don't apply and that's hard to unwind.

    There are political issues as well with immigration being very charged, and seemingly easily polarized between people who hate the arrival of more immigrants at all, and people who want open borders.
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