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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Using your logic, maybe because it's next to both Mexico and New Mexico?
    No. My logic is that anyone in IL that wants a gun can just go to IN where the gun laws are more lax. There aren't too many places with gun laws more lax than TX so residents there who want to exercise their second amendment right to kill someone can just buy a gun close to home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    repeal the 2A and institute a War on Guns. That should solve the problem.
    Judging from how much less gun death other countries with less guns have you're probably correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    No, it's that republicans have come to decide that the second amendment is a suicide pact that frustrates me to no end. And that then they scream "IT'S A MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM NOT A GUN PROBLEM" as if we are somehow the only developed nation that has mental health problems, while simultaneously passing a federal budget that would inflict dramatic cuts to already weak public health programs that help treat people with mental health issues.
    Watch the May 8th Rachel Maddow.... mental health problems discussed... very interesting on how republicans say that but don't stand by their assertions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    No. My logic is that anyone in IL that wants a gun can just go to IN where the gun laws are more lax. There aren't too many places with gun laws more lax than TX so residents there who want to exercise their second amendment right to kill someone can just buy a gun close to home.
    You can’t just travel to another state and buy firearms and take them home. There are federal regulations about this. I’ll post more when I’m home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    You can’t just travel to another state and buy firearms and take them home. There are federal regulations about this. I’ll post more when I’m home.
    You may not be able to legally travel to another state and buy firearms and take them home. But I doubt that the criminals in Chicago who buy their guns in Indiana care about minor details like that and I doubt that the folks in Indiana that sell them the guns care much either. Required national background checks for all gun purchases in all situations would solve that problem but republicans are deadset against that concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    You may not be able to legally travel to another state and buy firearms and take them home. But I doubt that the criminals in Chicago who buy their guns in Indiana care about minor details like that and I doubt that the folks in Indiana that sell them the guns care much either. Required national background checks for all gun purchases in all situations would solve that problem but republicans are deadset against that concept.
    So your theory is that criminals would violate one law about purchasing firearms, but balk at violating another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    So your theory is that criminals would violate one law about purchasing firearms, but balk at violating another?
    They'd face greater risk of problems than just violating a state law. So yeah, they might think twice. Considering that the Indiana AG published this I imagine that there are plenty of people in Indiana willing to sell guns to whoever wants to buy one, especially in a private sale.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...cy5-SUuY5XNLsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    They'd face greater risk of problems than just violating a state law. So yeah, they might think twice. Considering that the Indiana AG published this I imagine that there are plenty of people in Indiana willing to sell guns to whoever wants to buy one, especially in a private sale.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...cy5-SUuY5XNLsh
    But are not the laws concerning such sales Federal laws, and thus not subject to local jurisdictional whimsy?

    I've wondered, for 40+ years, why we never bother to enforce the laws we already have on the books, but somehow believe piling on more laws will lead us to the promised land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    But are not the laws concerning such sales Federal laws, and thus not subject to local jurisdictional whimsy?

    I've wondered, for 40+ years, why we never bother to enforce the laws we already have on the books, but somehow believe piling on more laws will lead us to the promised land.
    Are those federal laws enforced regularly? If so I'd love to see the data about it. And if not then my original assumption that Indianans aren't concerned about them would seem to be valid.

    And also if not routinely enforced then you have a valid point that we need to enforce the laws that already exist. But the reality is that existing laws are not enforced consistently. Some people even think they should not be enforced if the person who violated them is super duper important, like say, a former president. Even if the former president tried to overthrow the government.

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    I can’t remember the last time I have ridden any type of public transportation except for flying. The world is certainly getting crazier and I don’t think it should automatically be assumed that men are at fault and not women in a public altercation.

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