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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Yes. What aboutism applies in this case. Hillary consulted rice on what to do before she set up her server. And followed rice’s advice except that she hired inapproprite IT people. To claim that that somehow compares to stealing documents, refusing to give them back, and disclosing them to people not aithorozed to know about them is absurd.
    I suppose you're right, well, if you disregard the fact that she refused to disclose over 30,000 documents and used government level software to ensure those documents could never be recovered, physically destroyed devices which may have once contained those documents and obviously shared to some degree since some showed up on Anthony Weiner's laptop after he was driven from office in disgrace. I guess it just depends upon how you make your case and the willingness of anyone asking questions to go along.

    The more interesting point today is to compare the way it was dealt with by the DOJ. It was resolved as a political matter rather than criminal where current cases are being dealt with as criminal matters rather than political. There's probably a reason for that, if we could only discover what it is.
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    Perhaps we’ll understand better once trump’s trial happens. Or perhaps not since I doubt that the government wants to share with the world who, if anyone, he sold defense secrets to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Perhaps we’ll understand better once trump’s trial happens. Or perhaps not since I doubt that the government wants to share with the world who, if anyone, he sold defense secrets to.
    LOL, there's enough there that we could probably just skip you making stuff up out of thin air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I see that Rachel Maddow has suggested that the DOJ should dismiss all charges against Trump in exchange for him dropping out of the Presidential race. I wonder if that hasn't been the goal all along?
    Wrong! I looked at the info you provided and that is not what was said. She said this is not the way it should go... referring to the way Agnew 50 years ago got out of the situation. Rewind to around minute 13+. You wanted that to be what she said but it is not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Wrong! .....
    She made the same point that I made with JP just a few posts ago, that there were two ways for the DOJ to deal with the situation and the only parallel situation on record was that of Spiro Agnew. The DOJ chose to deal with that case in a political manner rather than criminal and suggested they may do the same with Trump.
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    Regardless of what Hillary did or didn't do, it seems like leaving nuclear secrets and plans of counter attacks in boxes in a bathroom during cocktail parties and then possibly bragging about them should be seriously legally wrong. Or some version of similar situations. Not to mention obstructing their retrieval back to a secure place. At least that's the media spin on things. One could be lead to think it's the DOJ on trial by some accounts that obfuscate the basic facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    I think most voters might take issue with your assertion that “inflation is relatively tame”. I also think the push to move individual college debt to the general tax paying public won’t be all that popular with the general tax paying public. The general laxity of the Democrats concerning crime and our porous border could also be fertile fields to plow. Of course, it would be helpful for Democrats to identify with reparations

    I don’t think that things are going so swimmingly under the Democrats that the GOP has no issues to run on. Taking Trump off the board would do wonders.
    Public perception probably rules the day, but how does inflation compare to historic averages and is it going down or up. And did the four years of GOP admiration under Trump really do anything long term to solve the issues of crime and immigration. Seems like they just passed it along to the next guy who has not done much better, although there are probably figures on that, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    LOL, there's enough there that we could probably just skip you making stuff up out of thin air.
    I guess if your definition of thin air is a LIV golf deal and a $2 billion ‘investment’ with his son in law, who had previously been a member of trump’s administration. Sure, thin air. I’m sure the saudis only did those things because they are generous people. Not because trump is well known as a quid pro quo kinda guy. And if you question his quid pro quo Nona codes I’d suggest you reference his ‘perfect phone call’ with Vladimir Zelenskyy. The extortion call which the republicans in the senate brushed off as no big deal. Because as we all know IOKIYAAR. A truth that you personify quite well Alan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Because as we all know IOKIYAAR. A truth that you personify quite well Alan.
    LOL, I had to look that acronym up.
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    It seems to be very difficult to be a non-Trump GOP member these days:

    North Carolina Republican delegates voted more than two-to-one at their party convention this weekend to censure Senator Thom Tillis, accusing him of straying from conservative values around gay rights, gun violence, and border security.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...arty-platform/

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