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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    So in effect you too are fearful and setting yourself up for a quick escape.
    I keep a fire extinguisher in my kitchen, but I'm not "fearful" of having a kitchen fire. Merely prepared in the event one should happen. I pay for homeowner's insurance for similar reasons.

    As to the likelihood of problematic levels of civil unrest and governmental zaniness here in the USA, well, I'm a statistician, and "things happen" to first-world nations with enough frequency that you'd be foolish to overlook the possibility.

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    I imagine a disadvantage of an overseas residence is the loss of firearms freedoms. Or some might think so.
    Well, living overseas involves the potential loss of a lot of freedoms. In the UK, you don't have the same set of civil liberties as you do here in the USA. In Saudi Arabia, less so still. You pays your money, you takes your choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    It's more than 40% of the population - in recent polls including in battleground states Trump beats Biden.

    But Biden will not step aside and no one is endorsing Phillips. The Democrats are going to keep Biden until he drops dead they did with Feinstein. If they lose they have only themselves to blame.
    I wouldn't take much for me to change from a glum Biden voter to a voter with the slightest of a hopeful outlook in any Democratic candidate other than the current team.
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    [QUOTE=frugal-one;430956]
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    I'm not terribly "afraid" at this point. I live in probably the most liberal and free county in one of the most liberal states, far far away from Washington D.C. Furthermore, I'm 20 miles off the US mainland, but a 10 minute row across the border to Canada from here :-). And even my liberal state still allows me to own firearms, speak freely, and worship as I please.



    Well. I keep ~1/2 of my assets overseas. I have a residence overseas, and a permanent residency visa in-progress which should be in my hands "shortly". I speak multiple languages, and have friends and family all over the world.

    But that's just common sense.[/QUOTE
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    So in effect you too are fearful and setting yourself up for a quick escape. It may be common sense but it is difficult to do what you are doing. Those who are looking away from trump’s antics are being foolish. I’m with Rob in being fearful! There are too many sheep….

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    I won’t argue with people about what they are “afraid” of because fear is a feeling and we feel what we feel. So, I take Rob at his word when he uses words to describes his feelings as finding things “scary” and he is “afraid” and
    he has “utter distrust.” He feels what he feels and I take that as fact.

    But given the decade and a half that I have heard Rob express his fears while I observe Rob coming to no harm and, in fact, thriving in this country that he denigrates and threatens to “ flee” every so often, I won’t be petting him and propping him up in his…delusions. Feelings are not facts.
    I am not a serious person.

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    [QUOTE=iris lilies;430971]
    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post

    I won’t argue with people about what they are “afraid” of because fear is a feeling and we feel what we feel. So, I take Rob at his word when he uses words to describes his feelings as finding things “scary” and he is “afraid” and
    he has “utter distrust.” He feels what he feels and I take that as fact.

    But given the decade and a half that I have heard Rob express his fears while I observe Rob coming to no harm and, in fact, thriving in this country that he denigrates and threatens to “ flee” every so often, I won’t be petting him and propping him up in his…delusions. Feelings are not facts.
    Fair enough, IL. I will make the difference this time crystal clear.

    Trump is now voluntarily using language used by Hitler and the the WW2 Italian dictator whose name I never spell right. This is a new low for him and given that this society could care less whether you.live or die in good times (a reference to the inexcusable lack of US universal health care) - any such language is going to be taken ultra seriously for what it is the first time it's uttered. There is no backpacking or going back from this new low. It's the truth of America on display for the world to see. Quite revolting, no?

    I don't know how this could be achieved but my hope is now that America splits in half. I am far too decent of a human being to live in the Trumper authoritarian half. So are most people I know. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Fair enough, IL. I will make the difference this time crystal clear.

    Trump is now voluntarily using language used by Hitler and the the WW2 Italian dictator whose name I never spell right. This is a new low for him and given that this society could care less whether you.live or die in good times (a reference to the inexcusable lack of US universal health care) - any such language is going to be taken ultra seriously for what it is the first time it's uttered. There is no backpacking or going back from this new low. It's the truth of America on display for the world to see. Quite revolting, no?

    I don't know how this could be achieved but my hope is now that America splits in half. I am far too decent of a human being to live in the Trumper authoritarian half. So are most people I know. Rob
    PS If I'm able to get out of the US - I still worry for so many other people I know who.also deserve better than authoritarianism. Are you yourself not worth better than being a subject of an authoritarian fascist lacking socialized medicine state, IL?Only.you can answer that - I merely pose the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I keep a fire extinguisher in my kitchen, but I'm not "fearful" of having a kitchen fire. Merely prepared in the event one should happen. I pay for homeowner's insurance for similar reasons.

    As to the likelihood of problematic levels of civil unrest and governmental zaniness here in the USA, well, I'm a statistician, and "things happen" to first-world nations with enough frequency that you'd be foolish to overlook the possibility.



    Well, living overseas involves the potential loss of a lot of freedoms. In the UK, you don't have the same set of civil liberties as you do here in the USA. In Saudi Arabia, less so still. You pays your money, you takes your choices.
    As you stated earlier, you are just now getting “your ducks lined up in a row” so if need be you can escape the US. Obviously you are fearful something may transpire more now otherwise you would have done this a long time ago. I’ve also looked at leaving the US but financially I don’t think the few countries I would consider would consider me as a viable transplant, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    It's more than 40% of the population - in recent polls including in battleground states Trump beats Biden.

    But Biden will not step aside and no one is endorsing Phillips. The Democrats are going to keep Biden until he drops dead they did with Feinstein. If they lose they have only themselves to blame.

    Easy to criticize. What do you suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    Easy to criticize. What do you suggest?
    I keep watching for Phillips events so I can go hear him speak. So far they haven't fit with my work schedule, but I am seeing a lot of his TV ads. I don't know why more Democrats don't get behind him. Like do they really want Joe Mansin to run and throw the election to Trump for sure?

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    If I had to put money on it today, I would put it on Trump winning the election, I'm sorry to say. Too many stars are aligned in his favor, whether we like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catherine View Post
    If I had to put money on it today, I would put it on Trump winning the election, I'm sorry to say. Too many stars are aligned in his favor, whether we like it or not.
    Polls this far out are meaningless. Polls a year out from the 2020 election were equally bleak for democrats. Even in the summer of 2020 they weren't great for biden. But ultimately the election became a referendum on trump so trump lost. Currently a whole lot of voters aren't focused on trump or the election that is still a year away. Trump can channel his inner Mussolimi and call Democrats vermin and it barely makes the news. But once election season begins in earnest and people start paying attention again they will remember why they hated that ugly shitbag and once again he will, at best, get votes in the low-mid 40% range of the popular vote. Plus we have four more years of majority repulbican voters entering eternal non-voting status and four more years of young folks who strongly vote democratic entering the electorate, and abortion, a never ending loser for republicans, to influence people's voting choice.

    Sure, lots of people don't want trump but wish there was someone besides biden as the alternative. But when push comes to shove the election will be about trump versus biden and just like last time a lot of people will vote for biden because he's "normal" and won't send America into authoritarian chaos and disaster the way a second trump presidency would.

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