Let the deportations begin?

[Tybee]

OhI know there is no simple solution, I’m not expecting that.

I really don’t know the numbers such as how many agricultural workers for instance are here illegally and how many here with correct documents? How many pick strawberries legally and how many do not do it legally?

49%?

With Nearly Half of U.S. Farmworkers Undocumented, Ending Illegal Immigration Could Devastate Economy - Newsweek

[iris lilies]

49%?

With Nearly Half of U.S. Farmworkers Undocumented, Ending Illegal Immigration Could Devastate Economy - Newsweek

need new or extended program to grant temporary work status. Does this come with government benefits? If so, perhaps we could…adjust…our expectations for that.

[bae]

Immediately across the ocean on the mainland from me is the Skagit Valley, an incredible agricultural resource. The topsoil is incredible, there is abundant water, a temperate climate, and a good growing season.

https://extension.wsu.edu/skagit/agr...20the%20County.

Roughly half of the farm workers there are undocumented. Mostly Hispanic, very few Anglos sneak down from Canada to work the fields. There is a large community of “documented” Hispanic residents in the region, who have been working here in agriculture for generations.

This is a border region. Federal authorities, under both Democratic and Republican administrations, has a nasty habit of swooping in and grabbing people, and sorting out their citizenship…later. This has divided families. Even here on the island, they sometimes set up checkpoints at the ferry landing on the mainland, and pull people out of their cars and send them away. I get pulled over on the water when I am moving from island-to-island here on private boats.

My partner is an elementary school teacher in that Valley. She teaches 4th grade in a nifty dual-language public school, Spanish and English. The kids there receive their instruction half the day in Spanish, and the other half in English. She has a team-teacher, the kids just switch between classrooms in the middle of the day. My partner teaches Math and Science, in Spanish. She reports that the kids and families at the school are quite anxious about the language coming out of the government now. (Of peripheral interest, a significant portion of kids entering that dual-language school program, which begins at kindergarten, do not have English or Spanish as their primary in-home language, but rather Mixtec.)

[jp1]

It will be interesting to see how quickly all the undocumented workers quit their construction and food jobs once the mass deportations start. It seems quite possible that fear of deportation will have a bigger impact than actual deportation.

[iris lilies]

It will be interesting to see how quickly all the undocumented workers quit their construction and food jobs once the mass deportations start. It seems quite possible that fear of deportation will have a bigger impact than actual deportation.

Yes, the threat will be a tool for deportation for sure.

[pinkytoe]

I thought this article presented a common sense evaluation of mass deportation:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ariffs-2024-11

[littlebittybobby]

okay---for the record, I am 100% in favor of deporting as many of those fanaticrats on the left coast and noo enngland as it takes to bring their numbers waay dowwn. But yeah---steda inflicting them on some other nation, we could rehome them to Nunivak island off the SW coast of Alaska. That island is around 1,625 square miles & since fanaticrats crowd into an area and overpopulate anyway, there should be sufficient room. Maybe Adak island in the Aleutians would be better, yet. But yeah---send them supplies, so they can subsist and protess everything as much as they want, out in the middle o' nowhere. See?

[Rogar]

However, I also agree with a wise poster on the MMM forum who said that when you see a perfectly clear and simple solution to a complex problem, it probably means there are nuances or factors of which you are unaware, otherwise the simple solution would have already been implemented.

Of course there is also Occum's Razor that states often the simplest explanation is the most accurate. For what it might be worth.

My take is that they will go after illegals who have a criminal record first. Maybe the answer is simple and it's just not occurred to me, but how will they find these people? It's not exactly like when you rent an apartment or apply for a job, that you say my name is Bill Smith and I'm here illegally. I imagine false documents of some sort can be had for some for job applications. Border crossings where they check your papers? If you're also a convicted criminal you probably have more reason to stay under the radar.

I suppose they could have raids on places like meat packing plants and displaced government employees can fill the vacancies.

[frugal-one]

Of course there is also Occum's Razor that states often the simplest explanation is the most accurate. For what it might be worth.

My take is that they will go after illegals who have a criminal record first. Maybe the answer is simple and it's just not occurred to me, but how will they find these people? It's not exactly like when you rent an apartment or apply for a job, that you say my name is Bill Smith and I'm here illegally. I imagine false documents of some sort can be had for some for job applications. Border crossings where they check your papers? If you're also a convicted criminal you probably have more reason to stay under the radar.

I suppose they could have raids on places like meat packing plants and displaced government employees can fill the vacancies.

Raids on restaurants and meat plants have routinely been done. This is nothing new.

[LDAHL]

Wasn’t E-verify going to help stem the tide of illegal immigration by making it difficult to seek employment here? Has it not been implemented or enforced? That would seem to be a fairly useful tool if used right.