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    It looks like the deportations are about number one for Trump's first day. My guess is that he will somehow make a big show of it to serve as an example, but may be more bark than bite? I'm still wondering how illegals would be identified. It's probably simple, but it's not like you raise your hand and say yes, I'm here illegally and here's my address and work place. The regional meat packing plant was notorious for hiring illegals and has been raided by ICE enough times that they must have wised up by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    It looks like the deportations are about number one for Trump's first day. My guess is that he will somehow make a big show of it to serve as an example, but may be more bark than bite? I'm still wondering how illegals would be identified. It's probably simple, but it's not like you raise your hand and say yes, I'm here illegally and here's my address and work place. The regional meat packing plant was notorious for hiring illegals and has been raided by ICE enough times that they must have wised up by now.
    I agree there will be lots of noise and cameras trained on this deportation effort. Actual people will have to leave our country. But the numbers? Probably won’t make much of a dent.

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    They do have the information that the government put when they took people to other states, so there are government records, it's a start.

    Doesn't mean people won't migrate.

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    Denver is a sanctuary city and evening news interviewed one of the school officials on how they would handle it if authorities tried to enter a school to grab children. Their official plan if federal authorities try to enter a school is that the school will immediately go into lockdown where no one enters or leaves and legal authorities would be contacted. It sounds like a complicated issue.
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    okay----this steers the topic in a different direction, but I'm hoping yObama would take his lavish pension and his SS Dtail to Haiti, and make a meteoric rise to the top(to use some media-ese), and lead that impoverished country to prosperity. Just to show us he can. Ha. Hope that helps you kids. Thankk mee.

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    Trump will probably ramp things up, but the news about raids and military planes is probably a lot of media hype so far. Raids, deportations and flights returning illegal immigrants is not new and the numbers so far that the news I've seen are just a token amount. I'm going to go with another Trump bluff to some degree but not totally. I don't think even Trump is dumb enough to deport the millions he's talking about. However, there could be a lot of new job opportunities if it weren't for the fact that we're at near full employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Denver is a sanctuary city and evening news interviewed one of the school officials on how they would handle it if authorities tried to enter a school to grab children. Their official plan if federal authorities try to enter a school is that the school will immediately go into lockdown where no one enters or leaves and legal authorities would be contacted. It sounds like a complicated issue.
    I have always wondered what “Sanctuary City” really meams when push comes to shove, so maybe we will find out,

    St. louis is a “Sanctuary city” for reproductive rights and that has never been clear to me what it actually means. I don’t think the majority of Aldermen know either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I have always wondered what “Sanctuary City” really meams when push comes to shove, so maybe we will find our.

    St. louis is a “Sanctuary city” for reproductive rights and that has never been clear to me what it actually means. I don’t think the Aldermen know either.
    "There’s no legal definition for the term “sanctuary city.” Generally, it refers to municipalities that are unwilling to assist federal immigration authorities and support immigrant-friendly policies. The designation is typically a self-imposed, symbolic gesture of acceptance to immigrants and asylum-seekers."

    Best as I can tell from Denver, who I think they said received 40,000 immigrants in busloads from Texas, is that local law enforcement will not assist ICE in a wholesale round up of immigrants. They notify the feds when and where an illegal immigrant might be released from jail and of course enforce other laws. And they won't resist as long as the feds stay out of churches and schools. And they will provide them some forms of aid like temporary housing and food. As closest as I've been to Denver, there was a mess of immigrants in homeless camps and begging on street corners and it was obviously not a good situation. From whatever I could tell from the news, they wanted work, but didn't have the required permits or there just weren't job openings. A few were ,or are, probably in gangs or cartels.

    Some of the suburbs and other towns have made a point in saying they are not a sanctuary city, for what ever value that has.
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    At least to date, sanctuary status has been similar to land acknowledgment statements or those “in this house” signs. Pretty much a cost free risk free gesture. It will be interesting to see if anyone takes it farther than that.

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    Round ups are reputed to start in Denver Thursday. ICE may be making a dent in things. A reporter travelled to Guatemala where the arriving refugees were being greeted by the vice president. She said the numbers arriving are about the same as under Biden but they are coming in military airplanes instead of commercial aircraft. He interviewed two people. One was a woman who had lived in the US for eight years and had been charged with child neglect for not using a child's seat in her car. Another had been in the US for 19 years and convicted of trespassing. Hardly violent crimes, although I have mixed feelings about immigrants living here illegally.
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