A folk hero or not?

[bae]

I don’t understand the focus on AI in this context.

- Is it OK to deny care at all?
- If not, how do you ration care, given that we do not have infinite resources?

- If so:

- Is it OK if the decision is made by a highly educated and experienced human, with full access to all patient and resource data?

- Is it OK if the decision is made by a slightly-less omniscient being?

- Is it OK if the decision-maker uses written guidelines, processes, and checklists directly?

- Is it OK if the decision-maker uses a paper tool to score different factors, and reach a decision from the score?

- Is it OK if the decision-maker uses a spreadsheet to calculate the score?

- It is OK if the decision-maker uses an app to calculate the score?

- Is it OK if the app is relatively sophisticated, and embodies lots of information about potential outcomes and costs, and incorporates that using sophisticated parametric and nonparametric statistics in its scoring?

- Is it OK if the app has an AI component, as certain sorts of AI are very good at extracting signal from large datasets?

[LDAHL]

I don’t understand the focus on AI in this context.

- Is it OK to deny care at all?
- If not, how do you ration care, given that we do not have infinite resources?

- If so:

- Is it OK if the decision is made by a highly educated and experienced human, with full access to all patient and resource data?

- Is it OK if the decision is made by a slightly-less omniscient being?

- Is it OK if the decision-maker uses written guidelines, processes, and checklists directly?

- Is it OK if the decision-maker uses a paper tool to score different factors, and reach a decision from the score?

- Is it OK if the decision-maker uses a spreadsheet to calculate the score?

- It is OK if the decision-maker uses an app to calculate the score?

- Is it OK if the app is relatively sophisticated, and embodies lots of information about potential outcomes and costs, and incorporates that using sophisticated parametric and nonparametric statistics in its scoring?

- Is it OK if the app has an AI component, as certain sorts of AI are very good at extracting signal from large datasets?

A hundred years ago, people were blaming the automobile for the naughty things people who got up to in them. Maybe it’s like that.

[LDAHL]

I understand it is somewhat common to undercharge in the initial stages of a criminal arrest/prosecution. Especially when they are still working on the investigation.

You’re right. Apparently New York pretty much limits first degree homicide to killing judges and first responders, murder for hire and terrorism. I read they’re working on building a case for terrorism at the moment.

I was disgusted to learn of all the social media attacks on the McDonald’s where Mangione was apprehended. You would think people had better things to do with their time.

[iris lilies]

This may be of interest:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ociety/680961/

Or, if you don't have access, the archive.is version:

https://archive.is/wiOzz

He is from my old area growing up and is a fellow graduate of my Alma mater, University of Iowa. Yes, he is from more humble beginnngs than his murderer.

This Luigi guy seems to have had it all—rock star good looks, wealth, supportive parents, Ivy league education. But his apparent mental illness and perhaps physical illness leveled the playing field. All the privilege in the world doesn’t make up for bad health.

[Tybee]

He is from my old area growing up and is a fellow graduate of my Alma mater, University of Iowa. Yes, he is from more humble beginnngs than his murderer.

This Luigi guy seems to have had it all—rock star good looks, wealth, supportive parents, Ivy league education. But his apparent mental illness and perhaps physical illness leveled the playing field. All the privilege in the world doesn’t make up for bad health.

Man, you are so right.

[LDAHL]

He is from my old area growing up and is a fellow graduate of my Alma mater, University of Iowa. Yes, he is from more humble beginnngs than his murderer.

This Luigi guy seems to have had it all—rock star good looks, wealth, supportive parents, Ivy league education. But his apparent mental illness and perhaps physical illness leveled the playing field. All the privilege in the world doesn’t make up for bad health.

I see one Penn professor has said she’s never been prouder to teach there, and that Mangione is “the icon we need”. Maybe it takes an elite education to achieve his level of arrogant self-regard. Or maybe he’s just criminally insane.

[littlebittybobby]

okay-----I figured you kids might enjoy a funny about that Italian-American Dude who allegedly assaulted the Insurance Big Shot. (see photo). But yeah---thankk mee.

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[gimmethesimplelife]

I see one Penn professor has said she’s never been prouder to teach there, and that Mangione is “the icon we need”. Maybe it takes an elite education to achieve his level of arrogant self-regard. Or maybe he’s just criminally insane.

For many of us, the United States of America flat out is not a good deal. This is what you are seeing here - more public recognition of this fact and action(s) upon such. Get used to it - under a Trump regime blatantly favoring the wealthy there will be more of this. If this bothers you, or any other readers - what have you done to at least try to make this country less inequitable? I can point to many hours of activism - what can you point to before you judge?

For my part, how do you forgive a country which requires a high profile murder to even begin a national.discussion of how horrible much of modern day America truly is? Take some heart, though - there IS hope. I am far far far from the only US citizenship holder who sees things this way. There IS hope in that much. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

There is a really good Fortune Magazine article out that I could not download here from clipboard that highlights CEO's freaking out regarding their new reality - what arrogance to expect no consequences for screwing over millions of people - this complete disconnection from reality makes sympathy completely impossible for those who see this country as it really is. But I AM glad to sense long overdue fear from such previously oblivious and immune toxic players. It's certainly long overdue. Rob

[iris lilies]

For many of us, the United States of America flat out is not a good deal. This is what you are seeing here - more public recognition of this fact and action(s) upon such. Get used to it - under a Trump regime blatantly favoring the wealthy there will be more of this. If this bothers you, or any other readers - what have you done to at least try to make this country less inequitable? I can point to many hours of activism - what can you point to before you judge?

… Rob

Oh please…

Let’s just say, you live your life according to your values and I will live mine according to mine. When we start sparring about who leads a more exemplary life, I don’t see any outcome that could be positive.