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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Oh please…
    Exactly!!! Oh please, what have YOU done, IL? You could say my activism has not yielded direct results - but at least I have done SOMETHING before judging. Can you honestly say this? Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Exactly!!! Oh please, what have YOU done, IL? You could say my activism has not yielded direct results - but at least I have done SOMETHING before judging. Can you honestly say this? Rob
    sorry, buddy, I am not going to engage with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    sorry, buddy, I am not going to engage with you.
    Of course you are perfectly free to answer this way - but your answer says an awful, awful lot. Just sayin'. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    For many of us, the United States of America flat out is not a good deal. This is what you are seeing here - more public recognition of this fact and action(s) upon such. Get used to it - under a Trump regime blatantly favoring the wealthy there will be more of this. If this bothers you, or any other readers - what have you done to at least try to make this country less inequitable? I can point to many hours of activism - what can you point to before you judge?

    For my part, how do you forgive a country which requires a high profile murder to even begin a national.discussion of how horrible much of modern day America truly is? Take some heart, though - there IS hope. I am far far far from the only US citizenship holder who sees things this way. There IS hope in that much. Rob
    I think you’re overestimating the importance of one ugly incident. I don’t see it leading to the bloody future you’ve been looking forward to all these years with such pornographic relish. Nor do I think it will create any new groundswell of “recognition” of a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum for many, many years.

    You can preen all you like about your “activism”, but I think it costs you some credibility when you exult over a killing you hope to see replicated. You are about as likely to get your wave of terrorism as you are to emigrate to some utopia where you feel sufficiently cherished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    … other readers - what have you done to at least try to make this country less inequitable? I can point to many hours of activism - what can you point to before you judge?
    You really want to play that game? I don’t approve of slaying people on the street to make a political point, but since you asked:

    A bit over 25 years ago, I gave away ~90% of my net worth to a socially and environmentally useful cause, which has produced great benefits to us all over the years.

    I have been engaged in actual hands-on public service full-time+ since then. In a variety of fields: environmental, affordable housing, childhood education, healthcare, emergency services, sustainable agriculture, land use, civil rights, criminal justice, employment discrimination, …

    I have produced tangible results:

    - > 200 affordable housing units directly, hundreds more through policy changes I got adopted
    - 3 early childhood education facilities just in my own community, and statewide funding for similar programs
    - significant protected environmentally sensitive areas here, and on nearby islands. Thousands of acres.
    - protected agricultural and timber lands here, and on nearby islands. Thousands of acres.
    - measurably improved emergency services and healthcare outcomes in my community
    - ~$100 million raised from rich people for programs and services, over the years, from my direct asks
    - helped keep a whole lot of people without privilege out of jail
    - supported our local LQBTQ+ community by helping organize and fund our Pride events, providing safe spaces, and giving testimony to county and state governments on LQBTQ+ rights when legislation was up for consideration.
    - provided housing and business locations to local people in properties I own simply for the cost of the property taxes and insurance on the sites.
    - provided seed capital to dozens of small businesses who could not get bank loans, and business consulting to walk them through the nightmarish hellscape that is the State of Washington’s business regulations
    - Yada, yada, and yada. You can probably extract more examples from my ~25 year long participation on this site.

    I see people everyday whose lives I have saved with my own two hands, or whose lives I have improved through successfully pushing through regulatory changes.

    I do not have a special outfit set aside to celebrate these things though, nor recipes set aside for a block party. I am baking cookies today for an important community Town Hall I am running tomorrow on a burning issue, however.

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    Rob, for all of your so-called activism, have you done anything USEFUL? Work at a soup kitchen/homeless shelter, help out at a food bank, etc.? I have no use for so-called activism that doesn’t do a damned thing to actually help people. I’ve done the useful stuff and more.

    Animals shelter stuff doesn’t count. I’m talking about useful help to humans.

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    It sounds like you guys are implying that 20 or so years of complaining about the United States on Internet forums, maintaining snazzy duds for block parties and idolizing cold blooded murderers (as long as they kill the right people) doesn't really help anyone, anywhere, at any time. Seriously, what more could a person possibly do?
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    It sounds like you guys are implying that 20 or so years of complaining about the United States on Internet forums, maintaining snazzy duds for block parties and idolizing cold blooded murderers (as long as they kill the right people) doesn't really help anyone, anywhere, at any time. Seriously, what more could a person possibly do?
    You are right Alan,, I guess our values are just screwed up.
    Last edited by iris lilies; 12-16-24 at 9:42am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Seriously, what more could a person possibly do?
    Well, you could condemn murdering CEOs as an inadequate half measure. A true activist would know if you truly want to effect change, you should go after their children. That would surely get their attention.

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    Luigi is no folk hero, but I am concerned about Brianna Boston’s case. In a fit of pique
    she said “ Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next!” to her insurance company on the telephone. She was arrested in Florida, and has been charged for making a threat of murder. threat to conduct mass shooting or act of terrorism.

    This is very worrisome to me, her free speech rights are violated. I have read a bit about where her case stands and I do not see how her words rise to the level of a tangible threat.

    edited for a better link:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-wo...y?id=116748222


    the words “delay, deny, depose” were written on Luigi’s bullets.
    Last edited by iris lilies; 12-24-24 at 10:26am.

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