She just can't go away!!!

[gimmethesimplelife]

If india is so nice, then why do so many of their people want to move here? I deal with Indians daily for work and company is owned by them. They dislike women and gays. They think nothing of killing women. It’s a shithole.

You gave the United States a free pass by completely accepting patient deaths via AI claim denial. Have you room to knock India? Rob

[iris lilies]

Something you may find interesting here, Tradd, is that SO and I are looking into 10 year visas in India to reclaim our lives faster. India offers life at a significant discount that makes Mexico look expensive. It would mean 180 days in India, two months out, and then 180 days lather, rinse, repeat. India of course is no bastion of gay rights but is, unike Russia and China, moving in a better direction. And no terror of healthcare necessary as it's quite affordable if you come with Western currency. DEFINITELY we would visit first.

I can say that the responses I'm getting here - putting murderous CEO Brian Thompson's life over that of many innocent.policyholders - truly makes me question my presence in this country. I can see and understand not being down with cold blooded murder (which IS what it was) on a NYC street. Granted. Where I depart from you'all and why it's brutally clear I don't belong here morally and ethically - it's not OK to end Brian Thompson's life. But is IS OK to use AI to end many innocent policyholder lives via denying claims in the name of profit. I am better than this. Nor can I look the other way on this one. Rob

India!

Now there’s a world of equality, fairness, and social leveling. /sarcasm

Rob do you understand that is a turbo charged capitalistic gestalt there in India? This plan of yours to escape to India looks like a “I got mine, to hell with the rest of you in Daharvi Slum in Mumbai” act. How in the world you consider that a just and fair society (if indeed you do—maybe you don’t) is beyond me.

All of that said, I am intrigued by India but wouldnt want to live there because much of it is so hot. Ugh, the bugs must be a foot long! But the food, the architecture, the fabrics, the music and dance…all fascinate me.

[Tradd]

Yes, India is so filthy and bug ridden that most food imports I handle from India require agriculture exams by default.

[iris lilies]

You gave the United States a free pass by completely accepting patient deaths via AI claim denial. Have you room to knock India? Rob

Again, such a strange micro-obsession.

I consider the issue of denied insurance claims to be a valid one for discussion.

The mechanics of how those claims are processed isn’t worth discussion by outsiders since we do not have specific knowledge. Whether claims are denied by a digital process or by little drones in cubicles, it doesn’t much matter to me. The policies that determine denied claims are the real deal.

So, I consider the narrowly focused issue of AI claim denial to be a fringe “out there” topic.

[LDAHL]

Where I depart from you'all and why it's brutally clear I don't belong here morally and ethically - it's not OK to end Brian Thompson's life. But is IS OK to use AI to end many innocent policyholder lives via denying claims in the name of profit. I am better than this. Nor can I look the other way on this one. Rob

I think you’re pushing a false dichotomy here. Deploring a murder has nothing to do with one’s opinions about the insurance industry. There is no either/or choice between Luigi Mangione and Brian Thompson. But over the years, you have created a vicious bogeyman called “America”, and see a nasty piece of work like Mangione as an appropriate solution.

With that sort of perspective, I can’t think of anywhere on earth you could go where you won’t come inevitably to the conclusion that “I am better than this”.

[bae]

You gave the United States a free pass by completely accepting patient deaths via AI claim denial.

Show your work:

- Are AIs being used in claims processing? Which AIs? How were they trained? How were they evaluated during the acceptance process?
- In what roles are they used?
- Does this produce poor patient outcomes?
- Compared to other ways the heathcare organization used in the past?
- Etc

I routinely use scoresheets and apps to direct patient care in emergency situations. Sometimes they produce a poor outcome. Generally, they do far better than anyone on our team would do in real time, and are a net positive for us. I expect the models behind the scoresheets and apps were developed in consultation with world-class medical experts and lots of statistical analysis of lots of cases. I expect in the future, AIs will be used to do some of that analysis and scoring, as is increasingly the practice in certain medical specialties.

If I use my app to make a patient decision, and it goes poorly, should I be shot dead in the streets?

[Tradd]

India!

Now there’s a world of equality, fairness, and social leveling. /sarcasm

Rob do you understand that is a turbo charged capitalistic gestalt there in India? This plan of yours to escape to India looks like a “I got mine, to hell with the rest of you in Daharvi Slum in Mumbai” act. How in the world you consider that a just and fair society (if indeed you do—maybe you don’t) is beyond me.

All of that said, I am intrigued by India but wouldnt want to live there because much of it is so hot. Ugh, the bugs must be a foot long! But the food, the architecture, the fabrics, the music and dance…all fascinate me.

Comrade Rob loves to identify with the downtrodden, so I wonder if he’s going to take up the cause of the untouchables aka the lowest caste in Indian society. Wonder what the Indians would think about THAT?

[ToomuchStuff]

Show your work:

- Are AIs being used in claims processing? Which AIs? How were they trained? How were they evaluated during the acceptance process?
- In what roles are they used?
- Does this produce poor patient outcomes?
- Compared to other ways the heathcare organization used in the past?
- Etc

I routinely use scoresheets and apps to direct patient care in emergency situations. Sometimes they produce a poor outcome. Generally, they do far better than anyone on our team would do in real time, and are a net positive for us. I expect the models behind the scoresheets and apps were developed in consultation with world-class medical experts and lots of statistical analysis of lots of cases. I expect in the future, AIs will be used to do some of that analysis and scoring, as is increasingly the practice in certain medical specialties.

If I use my app to make a patient decision, and it goes poorly, should I be shot dead in the streets?

Another question that should be on that list, where and how do they collect their data and is it complete. AI can do millions of calculations a second, but it doesn't help if you have bad data.

Also, Yes to your second question, and Rob would be the one to pull the trigger with his Austrian like moral superiority.

[rosarugosa]

I think you’re pushing a false dichotomy here. Deploring a murder has nothing to do with one’s opinions about the insurance industry. There is no either/or choice between Luigi Mangione and Brian Thompson. But over the years, you have created a vicious bogeyman called “America”, and see a nasty piece of work like Mangione as an appropriate solution.

With that sort of perspective, I can’t think of anywhere on earth you could go where you won’t come inevitably to the conclusion that “I am better than this”.

Well said, LDAHL.

[gimmethesimplelife]

There is another reason I find India compelling. I remember reading YMOYL years ago and one of the options mentioned was volunteer work in a developing country. That to me sounds like a wonderful way to move beyond paid work - by making myself useful in a low cost country - low living and health care costs which enable me to be much more human. I still stand by everything I posted above, I'm just adding another reason I find India interesting. And I'm sure there would be no lack of volunteer work available.

Another issue is that the house I co own has appreciated to a level where such is possible, provided that the country I go to is low cost. And it would be heaven to not live in fear of health care - though India comes with many issues of it's own, true that. Definitely would need to visit first. And SO is on board - maybe not so much with India per se, but with exchanging countries to reclaim our lives. Rob