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    Totally boring. The long distance psychoanalysis thing has become a tiresome trope in American political polemics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Totally boring. The long distance psychoanalysis thing has become a tiresome trope in American political polemics.
    I suppose if professional opinions are bogus, I could add that they match my personal expert observations. I believe Trump is mentally unstable, possibly related to age or greed, to match or exceed the extent of Joe's memory issues. Personal observation seems to be the most common opinion on Joe's state of mind, too. A direct fitness to serve objective evaluation is unlikely to happen for either and we just go with what we have.
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    Rogar, am I following you correctly in that you believe Trump will use nuclear weapons against real or imagined foes during his term? If so, what leads you to that conclusion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Rogar, am I following you correctly in that you believe Trump will use nuclear weapons against real or imagined foes during his term? If so, what leads you to that conclusion?
    The "President has his finger on the triggers of thousands of thermonuclear weapons" narrative does not conform with how the weapons are actually used.

    It's just fear-mongering.

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    No, I don't think he would use a nuclear weapon, although he might talk about it or coerce others. But that's rather the extreme. I don't have confidence in his mental capacity to manage international affairs, our health, or our economy at the presidential level due to his instabilities and mental incompetence. It is curious though that he seems to have plans to bolster our nuclear arsenal, as I understand it. Just a deterrent?

    Of course I looked it up. Does not sound like a stable individual.

    "Behind closed doors in 2017, President Donald Trump discussed the idea of using a nuclear weapon against North Korea and suggested he could blame a U.S. strike against the communist regime on another country, according to a new section of a book that details key events of his administration."

    "Trump tweeted in early January 2018: "North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the 'Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.' Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-discussed-using-nuclear-weapon-north-korea-2017-blaming-someone-rcna65120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I suppose if professional opinions are bogus, I could add that they match my personal expert observations. I believe Trump is mentally unstable, possibly related to age or greed, to match or exceed the extent of Joe's memory issues. Personal observation seems to be the most common opinion on Joe's state of mind, too. A direct fitness to serve objective evaluation is unlikely to happen for either and we just go with what we have.
    It’s an expert opinion if it’s informed. It’s just another hack spouting off when it’s based on sound bites and cocktail chatter.

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    Some things can boil down to Occum's razor as having a simple easy explanation. As Steve Martin once said, "May I mombo dogface to the banana patch". I've heard nonsensical babble from both Trump and Biden's mouths. Trump just says it with more confidence. Trump scares me more because he's on a power trip.
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    People too often invoke Occam’s Razor to justify oversimplifying a problem. I think that is one way Trump’s enemies play into his hands. If one uncritically accepts the “Orange Man Bad” paradigm, it opens the door to all kinds of unproductive behaviors that ultimately harm the anti-Trump cause: the resort to anti democratic measures to “save democracy”; lies and coverups for the greater good; incessant race-baiting; frenzied rhetoric and juvenile name-calling; lawfare; mental diagnoses absent due diligence. The voters took this in and reacted accordingly.

    The Trump problem is more complicated than good vs evil or competence vs fecklessness. He’s an opportunist pursuing a weird mix of left and right ideology, who only benefits from shrill attacks based on luxury beliefs. I think in the long run it will be more effective to laugh at him than to pretend we’re terrified of all the things we imagine he will do.

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    I hope your are right. For me as the casual observer it doesn't take much to realize Trump is significantly unhinged and Biden has some age issues. Thus a simple analysis. What Trump actually does with his tenure is up for grabs and no easy answer to that. I think he's about two thirds talk, but the other third is less predictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    People too often invoke Occam’s Razor to justify oversimplifying a problem. I think that is one way Trump’s enemies play into his hands. If one uncritically accepts the “Orange Man Bad” paradigm, it opens the door to all kinds of unproductive behaviors that ultimately harm the anti-Trump cause: the resort to anti democratic measures to “save democracy”; lies and coverups for the greater good; incessant race-baiting; frenzied rhetoric and juvenile name-calling; lawfare; mental diagnoses absent due diligence. The voters took this in and reacted accordingly.

    The Trump problem is more complicated than good vs evil or competence vs fecklessness. He’s an opportunist pursuing a weird mix of left and right ideology, who only benefits from shrill attacks based on luxury beliefs. I think in the long run it will be more effective to laugh at him than to pretend we’re terrified of all the things we imagine he will do.
    I agree. God knows I'm not a fan, but I've seen all kinds of stuff on social media from people angry that Obama was smiling at something Trump said. I mean, really??? Let's see what real problems we have to face as a country once the new administration is in.
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