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    Thinking more about my dislike of the term ‘real bike’ to denote non e-bikes it’s because if one is a ‘real’ bike that implies that the other isn’t. But they both are very definitely ‘real’ bikes just as a motorcycle is a bike. Otherwise the term biker wouldn’t often denote ‘someone who rides a motorcycle’. Different people want different things from a bike whether the bike is a regular bike an e-bike or a motorcycle. That doesn’t make any of those people less worthy of saying they like their bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebittybobby View Post
    okay----if i hear any more comments about weeniEBikes-for-people-with-disabilities, I'm going to go into business making ice skates for people with disabilities---born without legs? No problem. Yup. Maybe open a shooting range for blind people. Can't see? We'll figure out the technology. Maybe a University for people who have intellectual disabilities, so I can award them a doctorate in Medicine: the world's first Brain Surgeon with an IQ of 65. How's that sound? There are some things you should not be enabled to do, and one of them is ride a "bicycle" 28 mph, if you're not physically fit enough. It requires more than just strong legs to accomplish it. Yup. Hope that helps you kids some.
    Littlebit, it seems lately that you've entered troll territory, and that's not a safe place to be. I think a detour is in order!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Thinking more about my dislike of the term ‘real bike’ to denote non e-bikes it’s because if one is a ‘real’ bike that implies that the other isn’t. But they both are very definitely ‘real’ bikes just as a motorcycle is a bike. Otherwise the term biker wouldn’t often denote ‘someone who rides a motorcycle’. Different people want different things from a bike whether the bike is a regular bike an e-bike or a motorcycle. That doesn’t make any of those people less worthy of saying they like their bike.
    Would you prefer the term, regular bike vs. real bike as a better descriptor? Calling e-bikes is pretty standard but I don't know if there is a common term for human powered bikes. Legacy bikes. Does it matter.

    Since retiring I've ridden many thousands of miles mostly on local bike trails. Before that, and when I was younger, I once rode east to west through British Columbia and south to north across Colorado over three mountain passes ("Ride the Rockies"). For years I bike commuted to work about seven mile one way. I've gone through eight or so bicycles that have worn out, become obsolete, or stolen. Some people go to the gym, jog, or play pickle ball. Bicycling has always been my form of fitness. I'm far from any uber athletic, I just have done it a lot and stick to it. I am nudging 70 years old. Age should not be an excuse for an otherwise healthy person. I once stopped to talk with a guy along the trail who was 65 and said he rode a hundred miles (a century) once a month along with his normal fitness routine. He said it had helped reverse a diabetes condition. And much cheaper than Ozempic. I have to say that level of fitness requires some dedication to work up to and it might be beyond me.

    My perspective on getting a new bike for some one who has never biked much is this. If a person wants to ride a couple or few miles to the park or store or coffee shop, there's really no reason for an e-bike and about any economy bike is probably the most cost efficient. Most people should be capable of that.

    For longer rides, like a cruise of say for example, ten or fifteen miles every week or two in the few warm months of the year, a person will probably find a human bike unpleasant to the rear end and basic fatigue and become discouraged. That's probably a place for an e-bike. Or if there is nearly insurmountably steep terrain.

    If a person wants to challenge themselves as a fitness routine a couple or few times a week and doesn't have physical limitations or is adverse to exercise, my advice would be an e-bike as a gateway bike, or the challenge of working out on a human bike. The human bike will probably give a greater pleasure of accomplishment, a better physical work out, and avoids the cost of an e bike (or a gym membership), plus it keeps the eventual e-waste out of a landfill, if that matters these days. Once into a routine, bicycle fitness comes pretty easy after a coupe of weeks, but the breaking in period might be uncomfortable. My community does snow removal on the trails and a person can pretty much bike 8 or 9 months a year.

    E-bikes have a place and a person can get a little fresh air, explore, and and a bit of exercise as casual outing. Regular, real or human powered bikes, for whatever name also have a place and with a little conditioning and a routine, a person can get a better aerobic workout, even more fresh air and and still explore, but the fitness doesn't happen overnight. Some people are adverse to physical exercise, but I've always enjoyed sweating a bit and getting the heart rate up and cycling is gentle on the joints and helps a lot of people with knee problems. I once was threated with knee surgery and my PT rehabilitation was on a stationary bike.

    I might add that other than my recent purchase, I've always bought quality used bikes off Craig's list or other source. Some people get an idea about bike conditioning, e-bike or regular, and give up quickly, sort of like how New Years resolutions last for may three weeks. So there if a person knows what they want and the right size, there are a large quantity of great garage find bikes that have been collecting dust.
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    okay-----stop what? When you fall off of your weeeniEBike while going along at 25 mph without even having to pedal much at all, and land on the pavement and sustain various painful injuries(such as a broken collarbone), can I say I told you so? Because anyone who bikes very much will tell you about the inevitability of a crash. My rule of thumb is to ride a self-powered bike only as fast as you can pedal it, and a little less. But yeah---an out-of-shape weeniEBiker Consumer will have that false sense of security from not having to develop any conditioning, and will go pedal-to-the-metal, to get there as fast as they can. Expediency is the operative word, for those type of people. Now you know. Hope that helps you, KLR. Sorry you had to take time out of your busy day to scold littlebittymee. Thank mee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Littlebit, it seems lately that you've entered troll territory, and that's not a safe place to be. I think a detour is in order!
    hAl, a detour is in order for people who believe weeniEBikes will compensate for their lack of fitness to ride a bicycle. It won't. How is trying to convince people in earnest NOT to waste money on something that could potentially lead to serious injury, "trolling"? We've been over this before; but I'll say it again: Trolling on my part, by your definition, is saying anything negative about consumeristic lifestyles, where you identify yourself. Pure and simple. A troll, by your definition, is also someone who does NOT passively submit to being gaslighted or bashed by people who are participating in a pile-on. See? Hope that helps you some, hAl.

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    My definition of trolling is intentionally trying to disrupt conversations and upset others, and that is the standard I'll hold you to. As you noted, we've been over this before and I'll remind you of your promise not to disrupt, belittle, intentionally upset or violate the privacy of others.
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    Usually I don't care much about your faux ignoramus drivel, but when you start making snide, sarcastic, disparaging scenarios and references to the disabled, that gets me fired up.

    People living on the autism spectrum have varied abilities. That's why it's called a spectrum. If you know one autistic, you know one autistic. You might want to study up on it. I hope it helps you some.

    My grandson handles his e-bike perfectly well, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Would you prefer the term, regular bike vs. real bike as a better descriptor? Calling e-bikes is pretty standard but I don't know if there is a common term for human powered bikes. Legacy bikes. Does it matter.

    Since retiring I've ridden many thousands of miles mostly on local bike trails. Before that, and when I was younger, I once rode east to west through British Columbia and south to north across Colorado over three mountain passes ("Ride the Rockies"). For years I bike commuted to work about seven mile one way. I've gone through eight or so bicycles that have worn out, become obsolete, or stolen. Some people go to the gym, jog, or play pickle ball. Bicycling has always been my form of fitness. I'm far from any uber athletic, I just have done it a lot and stick to it. I am nudging 70 years old. Age should not be an excuse for an otherwise healthy person. I once stopped to talk with a guy along the trail who was 65 and said he rode a hundred miles (a century) once a month along with his normal fitness routine. He said it had helped reverse a diabetes condition. And much cheaper than Ozempic. I have to say that level of fitness requires some dedication to work up to and it might be beyond me.

    My perspective on getting a new bike for some one who has never biked much is this. If a person wants to ride a couple or few miles to the park or store or coffee shop, there's really no reason for an e-bike and about any economy bike is probably the most cost efficient. Most people should be capable of that.

    For longer rides, like a cruise of say for example, ten or fifteen miles every week or two in the few warm months of the year, a person will probably find a human bike unpleasant to the rear end and basic fatigue and become discouraged. That's probably a place for an e-bike. Or if there is nearly insurmountably steep terrain.

    If a person wants to challenge themselves as a fitness routine a couple or few times a week and doesn't have physical limitations or is adverse to exercise, my advice would be an e-bike as a gateway bike, or the challenge of working out on a human bike. The human bike will probably give a greater pleasure of accomplishment, a better physical work out, and avoids the cost of an e bike (or a gym membership), plus it keeps the eventual e-waste out of a landfill, if that matters these days. Once into a routine, bicycle fitness comes pretty easy after a coupe of weeks, but the breaking in period might be uncomfortable. My community does snow removal on the trails and a person can pretty much bike 8 or 9 months a year.

    E-bikes have a place and a person can get a little fresh air, explore, and and a bit of exercise as casual outing. Regular, real or human powered bikes, for whatever name also have a place and with a little conditioning and a routine, a person can get a better aerobic workout, even more fresh air and and still explore, but the fitness doesn't happen overnight. Some people are adverse to physical exercise, but I've always enjoyed sweating a bit and getting the heart rate up and cycling is gentle on the joints and helps a lot of people with knee problems. I once was threated with knee surgery and my PT rehabilitation was on a stationary bike.

    I might add that other than my recent purchase, I've always bought quality used bikes off Craig's list or other source. Some people get an idea about bike conditioning, e-bike or regular, and give up quickly, sort of like how New Years resolutions last for may three weeks. So there if a person knows what they want and the right size, there are a large quantity of great garage find bikes that have been collecting dust.
    I hate to say this since you seem like a nice person but this post comes off like you're one of the vegans that is all judgy of everyone who isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    I hate to say this since you seem like a nice person but this post comes off like you're one of the vegans that is all judgy of everyone who isn't.
    I'm a little biased about a few things, as most of us are, and we are all unique. I only wanted to explain where I'm coming from and offer my take on advice from 40 years experience. No apologies. You seem like a decent sort, but unnecessarily judgmental. I regret the effort now and really don't care what you eat, but wish you good wishes on your path to good health, what ever that may be. I seem to recall you were edging into some sort of diabetic condition, which some say can be managed with diet and exercise, as the man in my biking example.

    My family history makes me genetically predisposed to a few unpleasant health concerns and I try to do the best I can with what I've got. Good health is precious.

    I tire of being judged by my lifestyle choices, as I'm sure you do.
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    okay---well, thank you for your attention! I crave it, don't you know? Anyway, I'm gonna live and let live with this ebike thing; go ahead and buy one just to spite me. Tell ya what----i been looking at old honda 55 trails for sale. They are out there, stored away in garages and sheds, and they come up for sale(see photo). but yeah--it's just like the one the kids down the street got killed on, in the summer o' '64. Yup. I'm real old, and maybe too tired to pedal a REAL bike.(see photo of real bike)

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