Government Coup

[bae]

We don’t have polling places in Washington State.

[Rogar]

We don’t have polling places in Washington State.

Yet.

[littlebittybobby]

okay----i been thinking maybe the Epstein Files will reveal something shocking about Jimmah Cahtah, but so far today all i could find was THIS (see photo). Probably taken at a kilan rally. Yup.

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[LDAHL]

HUH! So, you are all in for gerrymandering? And, ids such as driver’s licenses were always required to vote. I just looked up the save act and that is all that is required. IMO, it has been proven time and again our voting processes are secure.

Meh. Both acts would have empowered the federal government to set rules for state elections. Both deserve to fail as being incompatible with a federalist system. Much like the filibuster or gerrymandering, positions seem to be taken based more on transient expediency than on principle.

[Rogar]

My county has a web page describing the SAVE act. At the onset it seems to make some sense. It requires a valid passport or birth certificate to register to vote, but not a drivers license or tribal ID. Current requirements do seem a little loose and require proof of identification such as a social security number, government issued ID, a drivers license (which I'm assuming requires some verification of citizenship), or passport. It mentions the large expense of implementing something like the SAVE act.

"Approximately 146 million Americans do not have a valid passport and approximately 69 million American women do not have a birth certificate with their legal name. According to the Brennan Center, over 9% of eligible US voters—21 million Americans—may not have immediate access to documentary proof of citizenship."

[iris lilies]

My county has a web page describing the SAVE act. At the onset it seems to make some sense. It requires a valid passport or birth certificate to register to vote, but not a drivers license or tribal ID. Current requirements do seem a little loose and require proof of identification such as a social security number, government issued ID, a drivers license (which I'm assuming requires some verification of citizenship), or passport. It mentions the large expense of implementing something like the SAVE act.

"Approximately 146 million Americans do not have a valid passport and approximately 69 million American women do not have a birth certificate with their legal name. According to the Brennan Center, over 9% of eligible US voters—21 million Americans—may not have immediate access to documentary proof of citizenship."

Drivers licenses in some states, I don’t know about yours, do NOT require some proof of citizenship.

besides, voting in some states is allowed by non-citizens for local elections.

sure, I would like federal elections to be limited to citizens, which is the intent, and you would think it wouldn’t be all that hard, but the business of democratic elections is messy with so many holes, checks, balances, exceptions along the way that… It’s just messy.

Theoretically it would be nice if there was one rule for everyone across the United States, but I agree with Ldahl that the elections are in the hands of the states and it needs to stay that way because that’s how our country has set been up.

And some states will be looser than others and purposely so. I don’t like it, but I’m going to live with it.

[Rogar]

Drivers licenses in some states, I don’t know about yours, do NOT require some proof of citizenship.

Do you happen to know what documents these "some" states require for a drivers license besides proof of citizenship and if citizenship is indicated on the driver's license. I actually don't know and am just asking since you mentioned it. So, in some states a legal immigrant non-citizen can get a drivers license with no documents indicating any form of citizenship and that would be all required to register to vote?

[catherine]

To me, I think it is a miracle of marketing that elections are so close these days. At least since Bush/Gore we have been in a position where elections can be, or are contentious. When it comes down to revisiting and recounting only one state in order to determine the president it indicates that somehow the campaign powers-that-be have managed to split the country darn near evenly. If the elections weren't so close, this would not be as big of an issue.

[iris lilies]

Do you happen to know what documents these "some" states require for a drivers license besides proof of citizenship and if citizenship is indicated on the driver's license. I actually don't know and am just asking since you mentioned it. So, in some states a legal immigrant non-citizen can get a drivers license with no documents indicating any form of citizenship and that would be all required to register to vote?

My state issues a drivers license to non-citizens. DH used to to work with guys from Mexico who would come up for eight months and work here. A few of them learned enough English to get a drivers license, a CDL even.

I just looked up Missouri requirements, and it stated that these drivers licenses are issued for the duration of the immigrants’ visa or green card or work papers.

I don’t know how that plays into registering to vote.

I never forget that the felon/comment Dr. Ian Roberts, superintendent of Des Moines, public schools, was registered to vote in Maryland.

[Rogar]

My state issues a drivers license to non-citizens. DH used to to work with guys from Mexico who would come up for eight months and work here. A few of them learned enough English to get a drivers license, a CDL even.

I know that those folks can get drivers licenses. I was just wondering if those same driver's licenses can be used to register to vote as a US citizen. Then there's the pardoned felons from the attack on Congress who can also vote.