Simple SLF poll: Do you support Trump these days?

[catherine]

I'm wondering what Donald will say about the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to a woman in Venezuela? Better luck next year. It probably elevates the Trump one dollar coin plan, which seems to be still in the works.

Rogar, I just opened my computer and laughed when I saw who they awarded it to, for the same reason you said. He'll probably make some comment today about how the "rigged" Nobel committee handed the peace prize to a terrorist.. With Pope Leo being chosen, an American Catholic with a moral stance for immigrants, I wonder if this is some global middle finger.

[iris lilies]

If we can trust these numbers, the rate of illegal border ceossong has dropped precipitously in the last few months. It is the lowest since 1970.
if anyone here is honestly unhappy about this, please explain to me why. You just know I’m gonna be hardheaded and I won’t get it but try anyway.��

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[catherine]

If we can trust these numbers, the rate of illegal border ceossong has dropped precipitously in the last few months. It is the lowest since 1970.
if anyone here is honestly unhappy about this, please explain to me why. You just know I’m gonna be hardheaded and I won’t get it but try anyway.��

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I agree that tighter border control was necessary, but my question always is to DH when he raises the same point: did the ends justify the means? Trump always believes it does. I disagree. DH says I "hate" Trump. Dismissing my concerns like that is an easy way to minimize the truth about the impact of Trump's policies and executive actions he's taken to achieve them. I don't "hate" him "just because." I hate how he does things. I think there will be consequences to acting recklessly, illegally, and what I consider immorally in the name of "getting things done."

[iris lilies]

I agree that tighter border control was necessary, but my question always is to DH when he raises the same point: did the ends justify the means? Trump always believes it does. I disagree. DH says I "hate" Trump. Dismissing my concerns like that is an easy way to minimize the truth about the impact of Trump's policies and executive actions he's taken to achieve them. I don't "hate" him "just because." I hate how he does things. I think there will be consequences to acting recklessly, illegally, and what I consider immorally in the name of "getting things done."

I think simply being “tough on the border “ naturally reduces the illegal crossing quite a bit because those wishing to come here through illegal means are discouraged by the tough talk. That’s just talk and is cheap to carry out. I’m sure there are all kinds of border control efforts going on, though, that are not cheap or free.

deporting those already in this country doesn’t affect illegal crossings, at least not initially. I suppose it’s possible that those who are deported make attempts to come back into this country. But deportation actions are, to me, separate from just stopping the huge flow of what numbers come over our border.

this all assumes we can trust the numbers, and that is… an assumption.

[catherine]

I think simply being “tough on the border “ naturally reduces the illegal crossing quite a bit because those wishing to come here through illegal means are quite discouraged by the tough talk..

I agree about that. I think when people see how Trump acts they just naturally want to stay out of his way, but again, that has consequences. Instability, uncertainty, overall bad vibes leading to things like excessive violence.

[frugal-one]

What happened to getting rid of “the worst of the worst”? trump has masked unidentifiable goons grabbing and ziptieing even children causing terror in the streets. He’s way worse, this wannabe, whose idol is Hitler. Disgustingly, he’s following the Nazi playbook …

[iris lilies]

What happened to getting rid of “the worst of the worst”? trump has masked unidentifiable goons grabbing and ziptieing even children causing terror in the streets. He’s way worse, this wannabe, whose idol is Hitler. Disgustingly, he’s following the Nazi playbook …

Very specifically if you are able to focus, do you dislike the reduction in the number of people entering this country illegally from our southern border?

If so, if you dislike it, why? If you answer “yes” to this I assume you like huge numbers of people crossing into our border illegally.,

[Tybee]

What happened to getting rid of “the worst of the worst”? trump has masked unidentifiable goons grabbing and ziptieing even children causing terror in the streets. He’s way worse, this wannabe, whose idol is Hitler. Disgustingly, he’s following the Nazi playbook …

Yes, even to shooting that priest in the head with the projectile as he stood praying. I thought of Maximilian Kolbe, who hid 2000 Jews in WWII and died at Auschwitz.

[frugal-one]

Very specifically if you are able to focus, do you dislike the reduction in the number of people entering this country illegally from our southern border?

If so, if you dislike it, why? If you answer “yes” to this I assume you like huge numbers of people crossing into our border illegally.,

I don’t think the means justified the end. I live near the border. The propaganda on how bad it was/is ludicrous. At one time, yes, but not in quite a while. The current show of force is unjustified.

ETA…. As Bae would say… “It will be interesting” to see how we fare in the near future. There are many jobs we Americans do not want or are willing to do that were done by immigrants or migrants…. specifically picking crops (to name only one instance). People are now afraid to cross the border (or not allowed to do so) by the current regime. I don’t believe it bodes well for our country.

[iris lilies]

I don’t think the means justified the end. I live near the border. The propaganda on how bad it was/is ludicrous. At one time, yes, but not in quite a while. The current show of force is unjustified.

ETA…. As Bae would say… “It will be interesting” to see how we fare in the near future. There are many jobs we Americans do not want or are willing to do that were done by immigrants or migrants…. specifically picking crops (to name only one instance). People are now afraid to cross the border (or not allowed to do so) by the current regime. I don’t believe it bodes well for our country.

Yes, I am worried about agricultural crops not getting picked. I’ve never understood why a lot more H2 visas ca’t be given out to so many of these illegal workers but whatever, the government is often ineffective.

When you say “At one time, yes” I assume you mean the illegal crossings were bad but not for “quite a while.” You mean since January 2025 it has been better?

DH worked for many years with Mexican men who came into the United States on those visas under temporary worker status in the Green industry. They were here for eight months or so and then went back home to Mexico. They were happy to do that for the most part. There was at least one guy who was ambitious, learned English, and was able to get a commercial drivers license because he could pass the tests. So I don’t know if he was actually here legally year-round, or not, but he had a wife in Mexico and an also girlfriend in the United States.