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    When there is a bombing in Gaza and a twelve year old boy who has lost his family or a leg says he wants to grow up to be a freedom fighter, there should be no question as to what he means. His definition and ours are totally different. Sam Harris has a good recent podcast called The Sin of Moral Equivalence in his Waking Up series. It's only 12 minutes or so and somewhat addresses this exact issue, if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    When there is a bombing in Gaza and a twelve year old boy who has lost his family or a leg says he wants to grow up to be a freedom fighter, there should be no question as to what he means. His definition and ours are totally different. Sam Harris has a good recent podcast called The Sin of Moral Equivalence in his Waking Up series. It's only 12 minutes or so and somewhat addresses this exact issue, if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    When there is a bombing in Gaza and a twelve year old boy who has lost his family or a leg says he wants to grow up to be a freedom fighter, there should be no question as to what he means. His definition and ours are totally different. Sam Harris has a good recent podcast called The Sin of Moral Equivalence in his Waking Up series. It's only 12 minutes or so and somewhat addresses this exact issue, if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    When there is a bombing in Gaza and a twelve year old boy who has lost his family or a leg says he wants to grow up to be a freedom fighter, there should be no question as to what he means. His definition and ours are totally different. Sam Harris has a good recent podcast called The Sin of Moral Equivalence in his Waking Up series. It's only 12 minutes or so and somewhat addresses this exact issue, if interested.
    Out curiosity, in your mind and with your theoretical 12-year-old boy, do you think he does not have an his mind to kill Jews? I mean, primarily objective to kill the Jews?


    In one of my many meandering podcasts around the webs I ran across a man who talked about his childhood in a westernized Middle .eastern country, can’t remember where. He went to public school with children of many ethnic backgrounds. He tells about a class assignment where kids were to stand up and talk about what they want to be when they grow up, and he said one of his classmates, an actual friend of his, stood up to say he wanted to be able to kill Jews when he grew up. laughs and approval ensued.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Out curiosity, in your mind and with your theoretical 12-year-old boy, do you think he does not have an his mind to kill Jews? I mean, primarily objective to kill the Jews?


    In one of my many meandering podcasts around the webs I ran across a man who talked about his childhood in a westernized Middle .eastern country, can’t remember where. He went to public school with children of many ethnic backgrounds. He tells about a class assignment where kids were to stand up and talk about what they want to be when they grow up, and he said one of his classmates, an actual friend of his, stood up to say he wanted to be able to kill Jews when he grew up. laughs and approval ensued.


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    Well, first of all the 12 year old boy is not theoretical. At least as it was relayed to me by a friend who picked it up in the mainstream news of some sort. He used the exact words, "freedom fighter". (Too bad LDAH wasn't there to correct him). If I could imagine what he was thinking, I'd say yes, killing Jews would be the obvious basic reaction. Probably the more educated answer would be destroying Israel as a Jewish nation and restoring the Holy Land to it's rightful owner. Which of course would involve killing Jews in addition to pay back killings. I'm sure it's more complicated than that.

    I think what Sam pointed out is the cultural differences between what is right and wrong among Israel and Palestine. My take is that he is no friend of Hamas (or the Muslins in general) for that reason. I'd like to think that our society has become more civilized, but us Christian white males don't exactly have a squeaky clean perception of cultural right and wrong when it comes to genocide of Native Americans or the hanging of African Americans in the early part of the 1900's, not to mention slavery. Were Custer's or Chivington's troops "freedom fighters"? I'd like to think that was then and this is now, but cultural norms can define acceptable behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    Well, first of all the 12 year old boy is not theoretical. At least as it was relayed to me by a friend who picked it up in the mainstream news of some sort. He used the exact words, "freedom fighter". (Too bad LDAH wasn't there to correct him).
    "Freedom Fighter" sounds rather noble doesn't it? There was nothing noble about what happened on October 7th so I'm surprised to hear anyone use or defend the term. I thought we were more civilized than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    "Freedom Fighter" sounds rather noble doesn't it? There was nothing noble about what happened on October 7th so I'm surprised to hear anyone use or defend the term. I thought we were more civilized than that.
    You’ve totally twisted things if you think I’m defending the term. Maybe it should be banned or at least removed from text books if that’s what you’re suggesting?

    Shame on the media for relaying this incident! They should have censored this out so we didn’t have to see this poor little boy and hear him use those banned words.

    one possibility would be to do an ai type search of the words Muslin, Hamas, and freedom fighter and have all sites changed to terrorists instead of freedom fighter. I think they could find a way to do that in N Korea or China.

    it does sound a bit more noble when in reference to US Army Colonel John Chivington, Methodist pastor, Grand Master Mason, and gubeneorial candidate. There may be people in Florida who would like that removed from texts too
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    I just finished listening to sam Harris’ piece about hamas, Israel, and moral equivalency. He does a nice job.
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    Glad you found some value in it, IL.
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