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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    I just finished listening to sam Harris’ piece about hamas, Israel, and moral equivalency. He does a nice job.
    Same here. Nice summary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I think that's what Hamas has in mind. According to Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad:

    Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove that country because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation, and it it must be finished. We are not ashamed to say this, with full force. … [cut]
    … We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do this again and again. The Al-Aqsa Flood is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth, because we have the determination, the resolve, and the capabilities to fight. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs. …
    HAMAD: The occupation must come to an end.
    Q: Occupation where? In the Gaza Strip?
    HAMAD: No, I am talking about all the Palestinian lands.
    Q: Does that mean the annihilation of Israel?
    HAMAD: Yes, of course.
    I'm not suggesting that Israel doesn't have a right to exist or defend itself. I'm simply saying that Netanyahu needs to consider the lessons of WWI. Hamas and Palestine aren't one and the same but if Israel treats them as if they are the result will not be peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Yes, interesting indeed!

    I've come to believe that the fellow writing the blog post below best represents my feelings on the matter.
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dear-world-i-dont-care/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Yes, interesting indeed!

    I've come to believe that the fellow writing the blog post below best represents my feelings on the matter.
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dear-world-i-dont-care/
    Concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I wonder what our "friends" are propagating in social media.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/t...ation-war.html

    It is in my imagination that Hamas has squirrelled away water, fuel, medicine, food, and of course ammo in their tunnels while their innocents on the streets are in bombed out squalor. Possibly to get international sympathy.
    Last edited by Rogar; 11-6-23 at 5:50pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    good piece
    I am not a serious person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    A familiar pattern is emerging. You have the predictable support for Hamas from the nastier regimes in Russia, Iran etc. The scruffier despots Jonah Goldberg has referred to as the “Axis of Assholes”. They of course will view freedom anywhere as a threat to their existence.

    Then you have the usual collection of “useful idiots” in the West. Rashida Tlaib threatening Joe Biden for his “complicity in genocide”. Students harassing their Jewish peers and refusing to take Hamas at it’s word for it’s intentions. They have taken chanting “from the river to the sea” as a contemporary version of wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt.

    We’ve seen it all before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Yes, interesting indeed!

    I've come to believe that the fellow writing the blog post below best represents my feelings on the matter.
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dear-world-i-dont-care/
    This guy’s piece is right on, and very moving.
    Last edited by iris lilies; 11-7-23 at 1:53pm.
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    I'd like to think some of these things will be resolved by they, but I've not heard the potential presidential candidate Trump weigh in. I get the impression he's not as pro Israel as his GOP cohorts? I could speculate he will say, there's good people on both sides in order to appease his pals in Russia and China. I did see where he thinks Hamas terrorists' and drug smuggler are coming across out open borders.
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