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gimmethesimplelife
9-14-17, 12:55pm
Strange morning this morning. I arrived at work and was told to go home and get my laptop as they did not have a spare for me and I needed it for later training. So I go home and when I arrive back at the Convention Center, I was put out on the floor and was confronted with a temp pulling write-up behavior. (Eating food before it's our time for shift meal and handling food without gloves, too, although the write-up only covered the first half). I had to do a write up much as I did not like it and I'm waiting for the trainer's approval on the write-up. Ick. This is someone I like working with too even though I don't know them well. But this is part of the job, like it or not. Rob
iris lilies
9-14-17, 1:03pm
Be careful or you will move into a higher social order that will not allow you to claim victim status. You are teetering on the edge anyway, given your white man/ college graduate status, the traditional overlord.
I am kind of surprised that you will be The Man now, and wonder how that will sit with you.
ToomuchStuff
9-14-17, 1:23pm
Need to modify your avatar and add the words "big brother is watching you"!
I turned down promotions repeatedly because I didn't want to have to deal with that kind of thing.
So no verbal warnings? Straight to write-ups? Do co-workers know of your promotion? Tough spot. How many write-ups are allowed before discipline by suspension or fired?
iris lilies
9-14-17, 2:04pm
So no verbal warnings? Straight to write-ups? Do co-workers know of your promotion? Tough spot. How many write-ups are allowed before discipline by suspension or fired?
At my place of work "verbal warning" is still documented as the lowest and first level of disciplinary action.
At my place of work "verbal warning" is still documented as the lowest and first level of disciplinary action.
In my paramilitary organization, officers are expected to informally discuss problem behaviour and offer directions for improvement with their subordinates before moving to the documentable formal "verbal warning" stage.
We also have binders and binders full of SOPs and skill sheets that document the legally-required processes for doing things, and compliance to them.
gimmethesimplelife
9-14-17, 2:27pm
So no verbal warnings? Straight to write-ups? Do co-workers know of your promotion? Tough spot. How many write-ups are allowed before discipline by suspension or fired?Hi Float On,
This is one of the biggies, both for the temp service and for the Convention Center. This is an instant write-up offense with the second case instance being termination. Logic being: No one is under any obligation to feed the temps, much less to feed them the high end meals the guests are enjoying - so everyone can wait until the guest speaker stands up before beginning their shift meal at an out of sight location.
I also was commended by the office staff for catching this and not letting it go - it's one of their biggies. I also have to say annoying as I personally have found this rule, this is one I have always complied with and without complaint.
That all said, not all offenses go to instant write-up....not even no calls no shows right away. Rob
PS Yes the other temps know I was moved into this supervisory role.
gimmethesimplelife
9-14-17, 2:42pm
I turned down promotions repeatedly because I didn't want to have to deal with that kind of thing.Jane, I can understand this, I really can. Right now I just want to apply myself for this season, and save every penny I can and see where I am at the end of the season in April. Another factor here is that I am getting older and the physical requirements of banquet serving are getting more taxing/draining and this role is much less physically draining....but of course will be draining in other ways. I have to say it's nice right now to sit in the temp service supervisor's quasi office and be online, which I am told is not a problem during shift meals provided I rise immediately upon any client issue(s) or temp issues(s). Meaning I'd best be quick about being online. Rob
Jane, I can understand this, I really can. Right now I just want to apply myself for this season, and save every penny I can and see where I am at the end of the season in April. Another factor here is that I am getting older and the physical requirements of banquet serving are getting more taxing/draining and this role is much less physically draining....but of course will be draining in other ways. I have to say it's nice right now to sit in the temp service supervisor's quasi office and be online, which I am told is not a problem during shift meals provided I rise immediately upon any client issue(s) or temp issues(s). Meaning I'd best be quick about being online. Rob
That's why I recommended you give it a try. Because I belonged to a union and got paid for overtime, I was in no hurry to give that up for a minimal increase in pay with all the attendant management responsibilities and headaches.
gimmethesimplelife
9-14-17, 2:48pm
Need to modify your avatar and add the words "big brother is watching you"!Disagreed with 100%. BB Rob here is doing his job - getting paid to make sure the rules are adhered to, especially one that is so huge to both the temp service as the client as this one is, and also a rule that yours truly has always complied with. Rob
iris lilies
9-14-17, 2:48pm
In my paramilitary organization, officers are expected to informally discuss problem behaviour and offer directions for improvement with their subordinates before moving to the documentable formal "verbal warning" stage.
We also have binders and binders full of SOPs and skill sheets that document the legally-required processes for doing things, and compliance to them.
Yes, that is true and is good management. Informal discussion, which is likely "verbal" should be a first step.
But if the OP's company has clearly communicated the consequences of eating inappropriately, in an environment where food is the main focus, then that's that.
Hi Float On,
I also was commended by the office staff for catching this and not letting it go - it's one of their biggies. I also have to say annoying as I personally have found this rule, this is one I have always complied with and without complaint.
Very good for being commended (and noticed). I'm sure they'll feel reassured in making the decision to promote you. I did some banquet work for large events when I was in highschool/college but haven't done anything with food service since then. You forget there are some really big rules that go along with health dept guidelines.
ToomuchStuff
9-14-17, 9:56pm
Disagreed with 100%. BB Rob here is doing his job - getting paid to make sure the rules are adhered to, especially one that is so huge to both the temp service as the client as this one is, and also a rule that yours truly has always complied with. Rob
AKA Policing.
Your becoming what you fear the most.
gimmethesimplelife
9-14-17, 10:31pm
AKA Policing.
Your becoming what you fear the most.I've asked you this before BUT you chose to blow me off and now that I am not a moderator I can ask you point blank....what is it about my posts that brings out this quality in you? You don't treat anyone else on this board the way you treat me - what is it about me and/or my posts that you spare this side of yourself for, hmmmm? My enquiring mind would like to know after having been treated this way by you for some time.....care to speak? I'm all ears especially after your last evasion as to this question.....ball in your court ToomuchStuff. Rob
ToomuchStuff
9-14-17, 11:15pm
How much you miss, the irony. An example, for a LONG time you mentioned I should put you on the ignore list, and when I responded, you failed to grasp how a moderator couldn't be ignored. Even after you resigned that title (without the power, as non computer smart monitors, screwed up the back end of the board, endangering it for all), you told a moderator that you considered adding them to your ignore list.
You don't get things, and seem to be living with blinders, claiming to be enlightened, preaching. That is like a child trying to be the adult. Quaint until it gets old and annoying.
gimmethesimplelife
9-14-17, 11:25pm
How much you miss, the irony. An example, for a LONG time you mentioned I should put you on the ignore list, and when I responded, you failed to grasp how a moderator couldn't be ignored. Even after you resigned that title (without the power, as non computer smart monitors, screwed up the back end of the board, endangering it for all), you told a moderator that you considered adding them to your ignore list.
You don't get things, and seem to be living with blinders, claiming to be enlightened, preaching. That is like a child trying to be the adult. Quaint until it gets old and annoying.Still didn't answer my question. I am asking for what did I do specifically to deserve your attitudes/behavior? You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but your post here, though I respect your attempt to answer, is vague on specifics. Want to treat me poorly? I'm a Scorpio....that's fine by me. But have specifics to back up your behavior. Your behavior towards me has bordered on harrassment, yes indeed it has, and were the board not so conservative leaning these days you would have been called on it some time ago. LOL....I wish you would have been here when I first arrived in 2005....you would not have lasted long with the ultra liberal crew around at that time.......but that's then and this is now. I am merely asking for specifics. Care to provide? Thank You......Rob
PS Specifics would imply, to make it clear, specific actions on my part and not pulling examples out of the air that do not involve interactions between the two of us. That said, what specific reasons do you have for your attitude towards me? What have I EVER done specifically towards you ToomuchStuff to warrant your behavior, behavior that has been called out recently by another member here? I believe I'm worth an honest and sincere reply as to what I have to done toward you specifically to warrant your attitude/behavior and without evasion whatsoever. Ball in your court, ToomuchStuff and I will admit one thing....I'm glad to no longer be a moderator so I can post this towards your behavior. Once again, ball in your court and I await your response eagerly. Rob
ToomuchStuff
9-15-17, 10:28am
You might want to go back through my responses to you and read, and maybe you will see what you have missed. Remember you put what spin you want on it by your mood, your thoughts, experiences. views, etc. I can't help that you still don't get it, no one but you can and that is the point.
You were not the only one who has done or ever will do that. Redfox did as well. You view me as harassing, I see them as another viewpoint. (you find them harassing because you disagree, this is not a safe space, but a discussion/dialog forum)
UL does similar, in that trying to "start a conversation", he throws out topics like homework, instead of posting what he thinks. (isn't that what Facebook is for?)
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 10:40am
You might want to go back through my responses to you and read, and maybe you will see what you have missed. Remember you put what spin you want on it by your mood, your thoughts, experiences. views, etc. I can't help that you still don't get it, no one but you can and that is the point.
You were not the only one who has done or ever will do that. Redfox did as well. You view me as harassing, I see them as another viewpoint. (you find them harassing because you disagree, this is not a safe space, but a discussion/dialog forum)
UL does similar, in that trying to "start a conversation", he throws out topics like homework, instead of posting what he thinks. (isn't that what Facebook is for?)So it's your job here to moderate everyone, make sure they fall in line with posting behavior that you yourself find appropriate?
I do appreciate your reply, btw, especially given the level of friction in our interactions. I have to give you credit for at least replying - only problem with your reply - once again - you didn't give specifics. I can't change anything or address any issues if you are not willing to give specific examples. Realistically, without your finding or being willing to find specific examples of just why your find your attitude/behavior towards my posts acceptable - i.e., specific instances of my behavior that justify your behavior - I don't see how there can be any resolution.
I vote for the ignore feature in your case and I certainly understand if you make the same choice in regards to me. Buena suerte in life y adios! Rob
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 10:56am
Be careful or you will move into a higher social order that will not allow you to claim victim status. You are teetering on the edge anyway, given your white man/ college graduate status, the traditional overlord.
I am kind of surprised that you will be The Man now, and wonder how that will sit with you.IL, I don't see myself as "The Man" - I am only doing this for the experience, the chance to save more money, and the chance to funnel money into a 401(K) with a decent match (in other words, I'm not leaving money on the table by not taking advantage of the match). As far as a career or long term - I just don't know. It's all about saving money right now for me, that is the extent of my agenda in this role. Certainly I take no identity from this role nor it is the reason for my living - it's just a chance to save more money. In return for this, while I am on the clock, I have to accept that I am going to encounter issues I'd rather not deal with - such as yesterday's write-up. Wanna save more money, I have to deal with these issues, that's a price tag to saving more money. So goes life, and whether or not I like this is completely irrelevant. So it is. Rob
Hey Rob, good for you. I know the discomfort of this. I have often wanted to move even more up and the difficulties of the role are a consideration. I am in a middle manager position as well, not always fun. However I do like being a good supervisor to my people and doing good work. It is a chance to show what quality can really look like with your vast experience.
I already had to do one this year, sigh. Like you it was an area in our work that is trained on often, clearly stated, and there is no room for error. Still never feels good.
iris lilies
9-15-17, 11:46am
IL, I don't see myself as "The Man" - I am only doing this for the experience, the chance to save more money, and...just a chance to save more money....
Spoken by oppressors everywhere! The minimizing language bolded is key to that mindset.
It is not sitting well with you because you aren't admitting your status in relation to others. Way to go! I actually utilize head-in-the-sand approaches to several things myself, it eases my life. :)
Spoken by oppressors everywhere! The minimizing language bolded is key to that mindset.
It is not sitting well with you because you aren't admitting your status in relation to others. Way to go! I actually utilize head-in-the-sand approaches to several things myself, it eases my life. :)
You forgot "I was only following orders." I couldn't enforce policies I didn't believe in, as I explained to my superiors.
Spoken by oppressors everywhere! The minimizing language bolded is key to that mindset.
It is not sitting well with you because you aren't admitting your status in relation to others. Way to go! I actually utilize head-in-the-sand approaches to several things myself, it eases my life. :)
He's just doing it for the money, nothing wrong with that.
ApatheticNoMore
9-15-17, 2:14pm
Considering many companies will ask employees to do immoral and even illegal things for the paycheck, and what he is doing doesn't sound like either, no there isn't anything wrong with it.
Considering many companies will ask employees to do immoral and even illegal things for the paycheck, and what he is doing doesn't sound like either, no there isn't anything wrong with it.I agree, nothing wrong with it. It would be funny though if the worker bees would pull out their smartphones and video his every movement while he's out policing the floor. I understand that's what's expected of the residents of the 85006.
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 2:36pm
I agree, nothing wrong with it. It would be funny though if the worker bees would pull out their smartphones and video his every movement while he's out policing the floor. I understand that's what's expected of the residents of the 85006.Alan, though we rarely agree I have often thought that your posts are fairly well thought out and that you are a man of some thinking, some education and some common sense (once again, even though we rarely see eye to eye). I'm not seeking issues with you by posting the following, I just want you to know this.
That said, I'm surprised with your not seeing the difference here - there is a HUGE TRIPLE GRAND CANYON WIDE SIZE DIFFERENCE (in all caps to get the idea of a huge difference across) between my upholding rules in the workplace during the course of my day in my new position (rules that are clearly stated more than once when any new temp signs up and passes screening for shifts and rules that are also repeatedly mentioned in temp service emails and meetings) vs. the police entering the 85006 - or any other zip code - and breaking the law by behaving like wild animals by illegal attacking innocent citizens. I offer for your perusal that sad sordid story of nurse Alex Wubbels in Salt Lake City, UT....you honestly believe this type of behavior does not go on on a daily basis all around the United States?
Ay carumba, Alan....Ay Carumba.....that's all I am going to say. And I don't want to get chatty and verbose and lose my main point, which is the very obvious difference between my upholding stated work rules that temps have signed to before accepting shifts vs. illegal police behavior in any zip code (I'm being generous today and not making the 85006 special). That's all, I've stated my truth and what seems glaringly obvious from my lower income perspective (though my checks are about to get much bigger, I will admit that, especially with the overtime I will soon be getting) from the 85006. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 2:38pm
Considering many companies will ask employees to do immoral and even illegal things for the paycheck, and what he is doing doesn't sound like either, no there isn't anything wrong with it.Thank You, ANM. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 2:46pm
He's just doing it for the money, nothing wrong with that.I honestly don't understand you, DMC.....this is a prime example here of why I don't understand conservatives. Here I am, finally moving up into some kind of promotion (though a very very very low level one to be honest, the point is it's moving up based on my own work and my own steam and my own ambition) and do you support this, say it's great I'm not on government assistance and it's great that I'm not on Medicaid any longer, with your taxes picking up my health care?
Right now I'm paying taxes so that the next Rob has access to health care and I'm doing it GLADLY especially after my serious illness last year that somehow was magically 100% picked up by Medicaid even though I was told by more than one social worker that Medicaid was not going to pick up the whole tab....my point is that I'M FINALLY PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM!!!!! Yes, I am and I'm proud of it, too.
If you don't gush or go on and on about how great this is, fine - I don't expect that. But to belittle my efforts to make something of myself, to pay into the system, to move somewhere better on my own steam and my own ambition - you yourself have proved here why myself and the 85006 in general will always be liberal. You have right here to some degree created a monster that you complain of.....just wanted to point that out to you as a Conservative. Whether this was your intention or not is besides the point....this is the net effect. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 2:48pm
Hey Rob, good for you. I know the discomfort of this. I have often wanted to move even more up and the difficulties of the role are a consideration. I am in a middle manager position as well, not always fun. However I do like being a good supervisor to my people and doing good work. It is a chance to show what quality can really look like with your vast experience.
I already had to do one this year, sigh. Like you it was an area in our work that is trained on often, clearly stated, and there is no room for error. Still never feels good.ZG - Thank You for understanding. I really appreciate this, I sure do. And you are right....it is not a comfortable position to be in, but.....it is part of the job. Rob
Alan, though we rarely agree I have often thought that your posts are fairly well thought out and that you are a man of some thinking, some education and some common sense (once again, even though we rarely see eye to eye). I'm not seeking issues with you by posting the following, I just want you to know this.
That said, I'm surprised with your not seeing the difference here - there is a HUGE TRIPLE GRAND CANYON WIDE SIZE DIFFERENCE (in all caps to get the idea of a huge difference across) between my upholding rules in the workplace during the course of my day in my new position (rules that are clearly stated more than once when any new temp signs up and passes screening for shifts and rules that are also repeatedly mentioned in temp service emails and meetings) vs. the police entering the 85006 - or any other zip code - and breaking the law by behaving like wild animals by illegal attacking innocent citizens. I offer for your perusal that sad sordid story of nurse Alex Wubbels in Salt Lake City, UT....you honestly believe this type of behavior does not go on on a daily basis all around the United States?
Ay carumba, Alan....Ay Carumba.....that's all I am going to say. And I don't want to get chatty and verbose and lose my main point, which is the very obvious difference between my upholding state work rules that temps have signed to before accepting shifts vs. illegal police behavior in any zip code (I'm being generous today and not making the 85006 special). That's all, I've stated my truth and what seems glaringly obvious from my lower income perspective (though my checks are about to get much bigger, I will admit that, especially with the overtime I will soon be getting) from the 85006. Rob
Don't be silly Rob, it's exactly the same thing, the only difference is your perspective. In one instance you perceive yourself and your friends as the victims and in the other you represent the oppressor. I think your new role will be good for you as your perspective widens.
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-17, 2:55pm
Don't be silly Rob, it's exactly the same thing, the only difference is your perspective. In one instance you perceive yourself and your friends as the victims and in the other you represent the oppressor. I think your new role will be good for you as your perspective widens.I am no oppressor. I do not have license to kill at will for any flimsy reason or non reason nor will any violent acts I commit result in paid Administrative leave......sorry....I see no reality in your post, at least from a lower income living in fear of the reality of America perspective. Rob
I see no reality in your post, at least from a lower income living in fear of the reality of America perspective. RobTell that to the person who loses their job as a result of you doing yours. I don't think they'll see your distinction.
Different groups in this country live very different realities. You'd think that would be common knowledge, but apparently it's not. Perhaps reading Hillbilly Elegy, Jonathan Kozol's books, or any one of a number of memoirs written by members of marginalized groups--including females--might be eye-opening for some.
Different groups in this country live very different realities. You'd think that would be common knowledge, but apparently it's not. Perhaps reading Hillbilly Elegy.....I've been meaning to read Hillbilly Elegy, mostly because the author is a local. I feel an affinity for the story because with a small change in terminology (there are no hills where I grew up in S/E Missouri cotton country) it could be about my life. Growing up way out in the country, raised by a farm laborer father and housewife mother, (whose idea of higher education was to go to high school, perhaps not finish but at least start) in a house with no running water, a coal stove for heat, a honey pot under the bed and a ramshackle out-house in the back yard (did I ever tell you about accidentally burning it down? Talk about inconvenience!), we were more commonly referred to as white trash.
Yes, I suspect that while my current reality is probably different than Rob's, it's probably much different than yours as well. I believe your lineage was well-to-do enough to see multiple realities where it took me a long time know that there were others. I'm trying to help Rob see that as well.
As my mother used to say "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." judging by the fruit flies in my kitchen, I'm not sure that's true, though.
I would say my background--going back generations--is pretty solidly middle-class, and I'm pretty happy with that. I suspect if I had had to struggle, though, I would have prevailed. I salute you for your success, if only so you can pay for my entitlements...:thankyou:
Growing up way out in the country, raised by a farm laborer father and housewife mother, (whose idea of higher education was to go to high school, perhaps not finish but at least start) in a house with no running water, a coal stove for heat, a honey pot under the bed and a ramshackle out-house in the back yard
A house? You had a house? Luxury!
We had 3 generations living in a single-wide trailer. Way out past Possum Run Road. (I kid you not - I think Steve Earle wrote "Copperhead Road" after visiting...)
A house? You had a house? Luxury!
We had 3 generations living in a single-wide trailer. Way out past Possum Run Road. (I kid you not - I think Steve Earle wrote "Copperhead Road" after visiting...)I always thought a trailer would have been an upgrade. I'll bet you didn't have gaps in the floor big enough for the cat to get in and out by itself, and our dirt roads didn't have names. The area was known as Wolf Island, because prior to levee's being built along the Mississippi River it was a high spot in a huge swamp suitable only for, well, wolves.
Wolves would have been bad, they would have eaten all the wildlife we relied upon for meat.
We had no gaps, grandpa built fast cars for....the import/export business, and he always kept things welded up and patched. Often with car parts, true, but still.
Wolves would have been bad, they would have eaten all the wildlife we relied upon for meat.
We had no gaps, grandpa built fast cars for....the import/export business, and he always kept things welded up and patched. Often with car parts, true, but still.I'm gonna call it a draw after one last point. In the winter we kept out meat heavily salted under a cloth in the bedroom, it was the one spot in the house guaranteed cold enough to keep it from spoiling.
I'm gonna call it a draw after one last point. In the winter we kept out meat heavily salted under a cloth in the bedroom, it was the one spot in the house guaranteed cold enough to keep it from spoiling.
We'd just go out and run over another possum. Always fresh!
We'd just go out and run over another possum. Always fresh!That's an oily, stringy meat, but it makes a good stew.
That's an oily, stringy meat, but it makes a good stew.
There's a way to fix the flavor, from my beloved Grandmother's older edition of The Joy Of Cooking:
https://jesseyancy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/possum-joy-of-cooking-blog.jpg
You had cookbooks? Ritzy!
One note for anyone following this exchange, If you think we're exaggerating, we're not!
One note for anyone following this exchange, If you think we're exaggerating, we're not!
Hillbilly privilege!
rosarugosa
9-15-17, 7:13pm
Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
I honestly don't understand you, DMC.....this is a prime example here of why I don't understand conservatives. Here I am, finally moving up into some kind of promotion (though a very very very low level one to be honest, the point is it's moving up based on my own work and my own steam and my own ambition) and do you support this, say it's great I'm not on government assistance and it's great that I'm not on Medicaid any longer, with your taxes picking up my health care?
Right now I'm paying taxes so that the next Rob has access to health care and I'm doing it GLADLY especially after my serious illness last year that somehow was magically 100% picked up by Medicaid even though I was told by more than one social worker that Medicaid was not going to pick up the whole tab....my point is that I'M FINALLY PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM!!!!! Yes, I am and I'm proud of it, too.
If you don't gush or go on and on about how great this is, fine - I don't expect that. But to belittle my efforts to make something of myself, to pay into the system, to move somewhere better on my own steam and my own ambition - you yourself have proved here why myself and the 85006 in general will always be liberal. You have right here to some degree created a monster that you complain of.....just wanted to point that out to you as a Conservative. Whether this was your intention or not is besides the point....this is the net effect. Rob
i think it's good that you are moving up. My post was not meant to put you down.
Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
I was afraid people would think our exchange was a gag too when in reality, a little good natured one-up manship can still be true. Mine was right up to the cookbook post, we probably had one, I just don't remember it.
ToomuchStuff
9-16-17, 1:24am
That's an oily, stringy meat, but it makes a good stew.
You two are making me do spit takes! Between my late friend Larry (and his humble beginnings which would be familiar to you two), and my old Beverly Hillbillies connections, I would love to offer the pot passers!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Stewart_(philanthropist)
Besides the old Foxfire books, (which you probably know) his autobiography might be good if your interested.
gimmethesimplelife
9-16-17, 7:54am
i think it's good that you are moving up. My post was not meant to put you down.All right then. I'm sorry - I seem to have misinterpreted your post. I was wrong. Rob
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