View Full Version : Was off today....but now a meeting due to Las Vegas and security issues.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 9:04am
Turns out I was off today after a stretch of working doubles (but nice check coming!!!) but I have to haul my tired self downtown today for a last minute meeting. Apparently increased security measures are being discussed/implemented STAT due to the horrific shootings in Las Vegas early this morning or was it late last night? At any rate......I'm so creeped out I don't even have attitude to give about coming in on a day off - if it's to improve security after what happened in Las Vegas, it's a valid meeting in my book and I'm there.
Stay safe as best you can out there, folks. I worry about copy catters......those of us such as myself who work in or around juicy targets......let's just be as safe as we can and as aware as we can. Rob
Just horrific and unbelievable, but happening all too often. I'm so sad, and so mad too.
Yes stay safe everyone in entertainment. It is hard every time there is a shooting (my daughter was in the Aurora theater shooting). I know there seems to be nowhere that is safe but we always want to try.
Improved security features? Why is this one any different than Sandy Hook or any of the other mass shootings? It seems to be really about large numbers of people and a person with a gun that just wants to kill. It is pretty impossible to protect anyone from someone with a gun or a car or a knife. Guns just kill more people faster and from a distance.
I figure if nothing was ever done about guns after Sandy Hook, the whole issue was doomed. Sigh.
SteveinMN
10-2-17, 10:24am
I figure if nothing was ever done about guns after Sandy Hook, the whole issue was doomed. Sigh.
Same here. If the murder of a couple dozen children and teachers wasn't enough to at least change the direction of the discussion, nothing will.
One isolated sociopath with an agenda can try to blow up his shoes on a plane and now we all have to take our shoes off at airport security. But isolated sociopaths with agendas can shoot and kill dozens/scores/hundreds of people and nothing changes. I feel badly for those who were injured and for the friends and families of those killed. But because it is impossible in this country to have a mature discussion about gun control (among other Constitutionally-guaranteed rights which already are regulated, I expect nothing to change except the venue and method of the next mass shooting. >:(
Williamsmith
10-2-17, 10:47am
I would think that of all the topics of discussion, gun control, has been thoroughly spoken and written about. The nation is equally as polarized on this issue as any.
I figure if nothing was ever done about guns after Sandy Hook, the whole issue was doomed. Sigh.
What would "something done" look like in practical terms? Would a war on guns be somehow more effective than the war on drugs? I suppose confiscating some or all legally owned guns would mean there were fewer available for criminals to steal, but would that have a significant impact? Pretty soon, anyone with a few bucks will be able to run off guns at home on 3D printers. How can that be regulated?
I'd agree with laws prohibiting people with documented mental illness from legally purchasing firearms, but I suspect that crazy will generally find a way.
I can understand the emotions incidents like this evoke, but I'm wondering what lawmakers could do that could make a significant difference.
My soap box, sigh, is that we stopped doing any research on gun violence many years ago and actually banned it. I don't have all the details available right now, however we are certainly not going to get that changed at all. It does NOT need to a war against guns, but research would go a long way into at least attempting to figure it out.
I heard they are looking at making equipment like silencers legal now, which would make it harder to see where gunfire is coming from and stop an active shooter.
iris lilies
10-2-17, 12:01pm
My soap box, sigh, is that we stopped doing any research on gun violence many years ago and actually banned it. I don't have all the details available right now, however we are certainly not going to get that changed at all. It does NOT need to a war against guns, but research would go a long way into at least attempting to figure it out.
I heard they are looking at making equipment like silencers legal now, which would make it harder to see where gunfire is coming from and stop an active shooter.
Without doing any research on your claim, it is impossible for me to understand this "banning" and I am deeply skeptical that no one may engage in research about gun violence. Show me the statute.
if you mean it is not a topic for the current public trough, that is different.
Ultralight
10-2-17, 12:01pm
Another day, another mass shooting. Just sad, and way too normal.
I heard they are looking at making equipment like silencers legal now, which would make it harder to see where gunfire is coming from and stop an active shooter.
"Silencers", or as they are more properly known, "suppressors", *are* legal now. However, they require an expensive Federal tax stamp, and the paperwork required takes 9-18 months to process. They also require a special federal license to manufacture or repair. And you technically commit a felony if you hand a firearm with a suppressor on it to another person to use at the range. Or drive across state lines with one without filing the proper paperwork.
As a result, a suppressor tends to be expensive - ~$500 or more. And can't be maintained legally by the user, even though innards of many common types are consumable items.
Suppressors are common firearms safety equipment in Europe. They protect the hearing of the user and other people nearby. Some nations *require* their use when shooting. You can buy them over the counter there, and they cost about $25.
I teach a lot of people to shoot, especially younger people. Hearing protection is a big deal. I would love to be able to use suppressors in class, as you can in the more enlightened nations of Europe.
I'm hoping H.R.367 - the Hearing Protection Act of 2017 - will pass this year, if Trump manages to stay in office long enough to sign it.
Teacher Terry
10-2-17, 1:13pm
sorry bae, but let's hope Trump does not stay in office long enough to make this happen. Many of our students come from Vegas so the college let us all know to work with them if they need time off to go home, etc. Extremely sad.
sorry bae, but let's hope Trump does not stay in office long enough to make this happen.
I'd happily postpone the bill until the next legislative session, in exchange for Trump stepping down.
Teacher Terry
10-2-17, 1:15pm
So we can agree on some things.:))
So we can agree on some things.:))
Yup. I have enough privilege to be able to go shoot in Europe at civilized shooting ranges, in peace and quiet. And where they serve remarkably good steak.
Williamsmith
10-2-17, 3:20pm
It’s likely new gun laws would not effect me so I’m not going to stress about it. I would ask though that you suspend emotion in favor of logic and try to preserve some of our freedoms for a few more years. I would hate to see the house to house confiscation that would be required to reduce the gun violence. My guess is Chicago could use a little of it however.
Whatever they do in Europe has got to be better, We have had over 200 shootings this year alone. I am not knee jerk on gun control or having it look a certain way since I know lots of gun owners, but we have got to figure something out. I think more than likely we will just have a lot of shootings.
Williamsmith
10-2-17, 3:40pm
Whatever they do in Europe has got to be better, We have had over 200 shootings this year alone. I am not knee jerk on gun control or having it look a certain way since I know lots of gun owners, but we have got to figure something out. I think more than likely we will just have a lot of shootings.
We could improve our awareness of mental health issues. I investigated far too many gun sales to crazy individuals.
Just a few questions that were triggered by a CBC article. How many more people would have been killed if the gunman had used a silencer? Did not the gunshots get people aware that they were being fired upon and make them seek shelter more quickly? Did not the gunshots help the police find the source of the firing and find the gunman sooner?
"Silencers", or as they are more properly known, "suppressors", *are* legal now. u
Suppressors are common firearms safety equipment in Europe. They protect the hearing of the user and other people nearby. Some nations *require* their use when shooting. You can buy them over the counter there, and they cost about $25.
I teach a lot of people to shoot, especially younger people. Hearing protection is a big deal. I would love to be able to use suppressors in class, as you can in the more enlightened nations of Europe.
I'm hoping H.R.367 - the Hearing Protection Act of 2017 - will pass this year, if Trump manages to stay in office long enough to sign it.
Wasn't JFK assassinated from a building above him? This is not new, and I don't see how security measures can prevent it.
Just a few questions that were triggered by a CBC article. How many more people would have been killed if the gunman had used a silencer? Did not the gunshots get people aware that they were being fired upon and make them seek shelter more quickly? Did not the gunshots help the police find the source of the firing and find the gunman sooner?
I realize there's an anti-"silencer" spin going on today. Even Hilary got into the act. Presumably it's an attempt to derail H.R. 367, by capitalizing on a tragedy before the bodies have even been removed from the site.
However, apparently the shooter used a rifle. "Silencers" don't silence sound completely, they are not how they are portrayed in the movies. Especially so with rifles - rifles typically shoot supersonic-velocity ammunition, and "silencers" do nothing to reduce the sound of the characteristic "crack" of the bullet. (And in cities that use such things, the networks of shot-detection sensors rely on that sound signature, not the more muffled-at-a-distance *thump* that the suppressor addresses.).
People trying to use this incident to advance an agenda aren't particularly interested in facts however.
(Note also: news media has reported that this fellow apparently planned for months and spent a fortune on his equipment. There's no reason he *couldn't* easily have had suppressors even with current law had he decided he wanted them...)
Wasn't JFK assassinated from a building above him? This is not new, and I don't see how security measures can prevent it.
The training I have received on operating in active-shooter environments does address the possibility of snipers/shooters operating at a distance, as well as the possibility of multiple shooters, or the use of one incident to draw first responders into the kill zone of other Bad Actors.
I don't think you can "prevent" such things though.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:15pm
Wasn't JFK assassinated from a building above him? This is not new, and I don't see how security measures can prevent it.My Mother and I flew from Phoenix to Dallas and then Dallas to Boston in 1980 - I remember it was during a record breaking stretch of 110F or so degree days in Dallas - paid for by my father's side of the family and one of the last times I ever set foot East of the Mississippi River. I had $1 on me and I went to the airport gift shop at DFW and bought a post card I still have - of the trajectory of the bullet that killed JFK. And yes, this is not a new concept - and how on earth would such an event be prevented without turning into much more of a police state than we already are?
I have no answers. But we are on red level at the Convention Center until further notice. Rob
PS I still have the silverware from that flight, too - both my Mother's and mine - my Mother told me to save it and remember this day I was sitting around middle class people and to keep the silverware as a momento. I can still remember the flight attendant saying something not too far from where we were seated about silverware being missing on middle aisles but nothing else was said. Funny, too, when my father passed away and I flew back to New England - I have the silverware from the Salt Lake City to Boston flight too - once again paid for by my father's side of the family (the flight, not the silverware). Rob
But we are on red level at the Convention Center until further notice. Rob
What additional precautions does this bring into play?
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:24pm
What additional precautions does this bring into play?Bae....here's where being in management gets funky....I'm not supposed to talk about it. I can say and am allowed to say that there will be more screening of materials brought into the building and there will be more security - arrangements for increased security have already been put in place - and there will also be increased background screening of temps going forward. There are other measures "I am not at liberty to discuss" - a total BS management line if there ever was one but on the other hand, it's the chance to save more money in the only country in the developed world in which human life is not worth socialized medicine - a very powerful incentive.
So I reveal what I can and zip my lips on the rest. Not that I even know all the increased security plans, anyway. All I know is that part that directly affects my job supervising the temps and production flow. Rob
I still have the silverware from that flight, too - both my Mother's and mine - my Mother told me to save it and remember this day I was sitting around middle class people and to keep the silverware as a momento.That explains a lot.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:27pm
That explains a lot.? With all due respect, Alan, ??? It's hard not to take this in an unpleasant way coming as I do from the 85006. Was it a right thing to do, of course not. Did my Mother and/or myself EVER think or believe we would be on an airplane again in a country with such economic inequality? Of course not. There's your explanation. Even in 1980 we questioned such. Rob
? With all due respect, Alan, ??? It's hard not to take this in an unpleasant way coming as I do from the 85006. Was it a right thing to do, of course not. Did my Mother and/or myself EVER think or believe we would be on an airplane again in a country with such economic inequality? Of course not. There's your explanation. Even in 1980 we questioned such. RobSorry Rob, I've always been puzzled by your constant refrain of "knowing" how bad America was since you were 8 or 9 or sometimes 14 years old. Now I can see where you were indoctrinated. Puzzle solved!
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:33pm
Sorry Rob, I've always been puzzled by your constant refrain of "knowing" how bad America was since you were 8 or 9 or sometimes 14 years old. Now I can see where you were indoctrinated. Puzzle solved!Alan, I was 13 years old on the day of that long ago flight....even then I could understand my Mother's logic and the factual reasoning behind it. Never equate low income with a basic lack of understanding of the world....just an FYI. Rob
PS....Interesting how you chose to ignore my remark regarding economic inequality......but then seem to have issues when the downtrodden take to the streets. That explains a lot but in a different way.......Rob
Was it a right thing to do, of course not. Did my Mother and/or myself EVER think or believe we would be on an airplane again in a country with such economic inequality? Of course not. There's your explanation. Even in 1980 we questioned such. Rob
Unpacking this:
- You knew it was wrong
- But you thought this was your only chance to steal fine airline silverware because of your view on economics/politics
- So you did so, and have kept the stolen goods. Which is OK, because... middle class people.
Nice!
Never equate low income with a basic lack of understanding of the world....just an FYI. RobLOL, I could trade low income stories with you Rob, that has nothing to do with ideological indoctrination. You can overcome low income.
LOL, I could trade low income stories with you
That reminds me, Alan, I got some great squirrel-brain recipes from my Mother the other day. I don't think there's a good way of filtering out the prions though.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:40pm
LOL, I could trade low income stories with you Rob, that has nothing to do with ideological indoctrination. You can overcome low income.Not when you are 13 years old you can't, and the lessons you learn if you are in that situation through no fault of your own at that age stick with you for life. Thankfully. And no one "indoctrinated" me - if any attempts at indoctrination were made it was during my time at the high school I went to - due to a fluke of geography I actually attended one of the best public high schools in the state at the time. Interestingly enough the demographics of this high school's area have changed to the point where it now has the state's second highest dropout rate....but I'm talking of over 30 years ago when I was a student. I didn't indoctrinate though - I knew too much by then for such to work on me. Thankfully. Rob
That reminds me, Alan, I got some great squirrel-brain recipes from my Mother the other day. I don't think there's a good way of filtering out the prions though.Ha, even as a hungry youngster I never really developed a taste for brains. Thanks though!
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:44pm
Unpacking this:
- You knew it was wrong
- But you thought this was your only chance to steal fine airline silverware because of your view on economics/politics
- So you did so, and have kept the stolen goods. Which is OK, because... middle class people.
Nice!Was it right, of course not. It was done so that I could have a momento of one day that I was clean, decently dressed, and able to pass as middle class and not living in fear of America. My Mother, bless her, only wanted me to have a momento of one day that we both appeared to be perched over our station in life. Thinking it over......it was a lovely thought and somewhat pure motivation on her part, regardless of any corporate profit ethics anyone cares to throw at me. She proved she was a lady that day, as far as I am concerned......she wanted me to have a momento of a day that was not a struggle. What good parent would not want this for their child? Rob
Not when you are 13 years old you can't, ...
When I was 13 years old, I went to a terrible middle school in Southern California. Lots of violence, drugs. No focus on academics at all. It was physically dangerous to attend. The high school I was slated to attend the following year was the one Fast Times At Ridgemont High was modeled on, but it was worse.
On my own, I sought out a competitive examination to a scholarship for a fancy expensive prep school out on the plains of Colorado, convinced a parent to allow me to travel 3 hours to the exam, studied for weeks for it, and won the scholarship, and so escaped. Which changed everything.
And I didn't steal any of the silverware from the prep school.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 6:46pm
Unpacking this:
- You knew it was wrong
- But you thought this was your only chance to steal fine airline silverware because of your view on economics/politics
- So you did so, and have kept the stolen goods. Which is OK, because... middle class people.
Nice!I notice too bae that you chose to ignore the bit about income inequality in America....interesting. That explains a lot, too......Rob
I notice too bae that you chose to ignore the bit about income inequality in America....interesting. That explains a lot, too......Rob
Like Rob, I could trade income stories if you want. Check your privilege, many of my homes growing up didn't have foundations, and we ate road-kill...
Does income inequality justify theft? Lemme know, there are some billionaires down the road from me, and they have some really nice stuff! I'm pretty sure I could rob their places blind and not get caught. That make it OK?
iris lilies
10-2-17, 6:59pm
That reminds me, Alan, I got some great squirrel-brain recipes from my Mother the other day. I don't think there's a good way of filtering out the prions though.
Dont you two start!
Dont you two start!
I still have a banjo, it could get ugly right quick.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 7:06pm
I still have a banjo, it could get ugly right quick.I actually have a harmonica I bought at a yard sale in Nogales (Arizona) and I am so-so with it, have practiced once in awhile over the years. Rob
I still have a banjo, it could get ugly right quick.Boy, I wish I had a banjo.
I actually have a harmonica I bought at a yard sale in Nogales (Arizona) and I am so-so with it, have practiced once in awhile over the years. Rob
You probably still have too many teeth to play it well. My Dad, when he enlisted in the Navy at the age of 18, had such poor dental health from his hillbilly upbringing that they removed all of his teeth and gave him dentures. He says being toothless made his harmonica playing improve massively.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 7:14pm
You probably still have too many teeth to play it well. My Dad, when he enlisted in the Navy at the age of 18, had such poor dental health from his hillbilly upbringing that they removed all of his teeth and gave him dentures. He says being toothless made his harmonica playing improve massively.I've managed to keep my teeth - thankfully to living in Arizona and due to not being far from Mexico as we all know....affordable dentists. But I'm curious.....less teeth mean better harmonica playing? I didn't know this if it's true......Rob
But I'm curious.....less teeth mean better harmonica playing? I didn't know this if it's true......Rob
Well, all I have is the word of a 75 year old gay hillbilly who now lives in Palm Springs to go on.
Ultralight
10-2-17, 7:37pm
The arguments between Rob and bae/Alan never cease to amuse me.
When I was 13 years old, I went to a terrible middle school in Southern California. Lots of violence, drugs. No focus on academics at all. It was physically dangerous to attend. The high school I was slated to attend the following year was the one Fast Times At Ridgemont High was modeled on, but it was worse.
On my own, I sought out a competitive examination to a scholarship for a fancy expensive prep school out on the plains of Colorado, convinced a parent to allow me to travel 3 hours to the exam, studied for weeks for it, and won the scholarship, and so escaped. Which changed everything.
And I didn't steal any of the silverware from the prep school.
The problem with pulling yourself up by your intellectual bootstraps is not everyone has the brainpower to pull it off. I know several people who were victimzed by colleges happy to take their money, who subsequently could never hold down even a simple job despite stellar attendance and their best efforts. And now one state university has started a whole program for Downs syndrome individuals, though in that case the taxpayers foot the tuition bills.
I am not trying to say that is the case with you Rob. You are very articulate.
The arguments between Rob and bae/Alan never cease to amuse me.
Those aren't arguments, they're observations. Sometimes incredulous observations, but still....
Ultralight
10-2-17, 7:49pm
The problem with pulling yourself up by your intellectual bootstraps is not everyone has the brainpower to pull it off. I know several people who were victimzed by colleges happy to take their money, who subsequently could never hold down even a simple job despite stellar attendance and their best efforts. And now one state university has started a whole program for Downs syndrome individuals, though in that case the taxpayers foot the tuition bills.
I am not trying to say that is the case with you Rob. You are very articulate.
Yeah, when bae talks about pulling himself up by his intellectual bootstraps I think, suppose it was not his intellect but his athletic ability. Say he was a pro baseball player and made a gajillion dollahs then retired to some little island.
Then he was like: "Anyone can make it in this country if they try!"
Sure, if you are remarkably gifted, intellectually or at knocking baseballs out of the park.
Now, I do think that most people, when given a decent chance can provide for their own food, clothing, and shelter. But when you get into education and healthcare things get dicey. Then we you talk about getting rich and moving to an elite little island -- yeah, that is tough to pull off.
Teacher Terry
10-2-17, 7:57pm
and now one state university has started a whole program for Downs syndrome individuals, though in that case the taxpayers foot the tuition bills.
Are you talking about the 2 year non-degree program called Path to Independence?"
I don't know the name of it Terry, but I used to work with a woman whose son was enrolled. A college degree is now what a high school diploma used to be, or less, and various fields are now requiring master's degrees that never did before. It's like grade inflation - even as education becomes more expensive, and we have a student debt bubble, it becomes less valuable at the associates and bachelors levels as it becomes watered down since it is expected of everyone in the middle class regardless of ability. And then some graduates expect white collar jobs they cannot do.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 8:10pm
Unpacking this:
- You knew it was wrong
- But you thought this was your only chance to steal fine airline silverware because of your view on economics/politics
- So you did so, and have kept the stolen goods. Which is OK, because... middle class people.
Nice!It "wasn't a chance to steal fine airline silverware" as you say. Jeepers, it was basic silverware that had Delta stamped on it and the Delta logo at the time, too. We could have easily found similar quality silverware in a thrift shop at a price that even we could have afforded.
I really don't think you get this so I am going to non-sarcastically and plainly spell it out for you. It had nothing to do with the silverware. Not at all. What did it have to do with? This was all about having a lasting momento of a day my Mother and I shared in which we appeared above our station in life and in which we appeared as if not living in fear of America and what America is all about/stands for, which we both already knew in 1980 - though I do have to say that things have gotten much worse since then. Rob
PS Came back to add that even back then, there were people who could see what America was truly about - though once again I will say that things were not as bad then as they are now for most. There are some minorities for whom this story is nothing new, however......I once again came back to add something else. The only time I have ever actually used this silverware is when I have cooked for men I have dated - I figured it was good luck so once in awhile I have used this silverware in such a setting. Whether or not the silverware has brought me good luck is debatable though LOL. Rob
Teacher Terry
10-2-17, 8:10pm
We have the program I mentioned for kids with ID but they do not earn a college degree. They get a typical college experience with help with independent living skills and employment assistance. It lasts 2 years and not sure what it costs.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 8:14pm
I don't know the name of it Terry, but I used to work with a woman whose son was enrolled. A college degree is now what a high school diploma used to be, or less, and various fields are now requiring master's degrees that never did before. It's like grade inflation - even as education becomes more expensive, and we have a student debt bubble, it becomes less valuable at the associates and bachelors levels as it becomes watered down since it is expected of everyone in the middle class regardless of ability. And then some graduates expect white collar jobs they cannot do.I am of the opinion that more and more, trade schools, especially for young men with an aptitude for such work, are the way to go. Much less expensive and this kind of work is not off-shoreable plus there is much less chance of misunderstandings in male/female relations in such jobs as the overwhelming majority of trade workers are male. And I personally am of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with getting one's hands dirty......something that sets me apart from many gay men I know and also some women that I know. Rob
And I personally am of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with getting one's hands dirty......something that sets me apart from many gay men I know and also some women that I know. Rob
Is that an original sexist thought or part of your indoctrination?
Agreed Rob, I would like to see more trade schools as in Germany.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 8:27pm
Is that an original sexist thought or part of your indoctrination?With all due respect, Alan, coming from the 85006 and confronted with such a post the nicest thing I can find to say is "Excuse you". I excuse you, I am sure you mean well overall. And I am sincere in this statement despite the fact that we rarely agree. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 8:29pm
Agreed Rob, I would like to see more trade schools as in Germany.THANK YOU! I personally am a big fan of how Germany handles education and now trade education in Germany is respectable as a career option. Rob
With all due respect, Alan, coming from the 85006 and confronted with such a post the nicest thing I can find to say is "Excuse you". I excuse you, I am sure you mean well overall. And I am sincere in this statement despite the fact that we rarely agree. RobI'll give you credit Rob for probably not being aware that every woman I know doesn't mind getting their hands dirty. Plus, they may do things differently in the 85006.
We have the program I mentioned for kids with ID but they do not earn a college degree. They get a typical college experience with help with independent living skills and employment assistance. It lasts 2 years and not sure what it costs.
If you're superbright like Bae you can get a college education regardless of income.
If you or your family has means or are willing to take out big loans you can get a college education regardless of ability.
If you are labelled disabled, including intellectually disabled, you can get a free college education even if like my former co-worker's son you come from a two income family that goes out to eat every night, vacations in exotic places like the Azores, etc.
But if you are of typical college intellectual material, but have limited means, and don't want to be in hock for life, good luck to you. Substitute "intelligence" for "income" and higher education is like healthcare. The top get it and the bottom get it, and the middle not so much.
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 8:45pm
If you're superbright like Bae you can get a college education regardless of income.
If you or your family has means or are willing to take out big loans you can get a college education regardless of ability.
If you are labelled disabled, including intellectually disabled, you can get a free college education even if like my former co-worker's son you come from a two income family that goes out to eat every night, vacations in exotic places like the Azores, etc.
But if you are of typical college intellectual material, but have limited means, and don't want to be in hock for life, good luck to you. Substitute "intelligence" for "income" and higher education is like healthcare. The top get it and the bottom get it, and the middle not so much.I have a close friend (female, and from the upper middle class who I met during my college days at Northern Arizona University). We have kept in touch all these years. My friend married a Canadian dual national (nothing to do with economics and she was no groupie like the groupies I met in Bellingham, Washington in 1996 desperately seeking to marry a Canadian to improve their lot in life - and for many Americans, such would be an upwards step and sorry, the 85006 in me won't let such reality go) - at any rate, this friend had to get her butt in motion pronto as after her divorce, she had a limited window of time to get her son Canadian citizenship and she just made it by a few days.....now her son has access to socialized medicine AND less expensive college tuition.
Me thinks the moral of the story is....cross national relationships can be such a wonderful thing......especially for any children involved....increases chances in life and economic options/security. And my friend Marnie comes from the upper middle class in America and EVEN SHE GETS THIS BASIC COMMON SENSE. (in all caps for anyone who believes their children are not worth access to health care or less expensive education available in one of the better countries). Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 8:47pm
I'll give you credit Rob for probably not being aware that every woman I know doesn't mind getting their hands dirty. Plus, they may do things differently in the 85006.Hands are quite dirty in the 85006, Thank You very much. Rob
I really don't think you get this so I am going to non-sarcastically and plainly spell it out for you. It had nothing to do with the silverware. Not at all. What did it have to do with?
- Theft
- Your mother teaching you theft was OK, especially from classes "higher" than your own
- Your mother teaching you that you had no chance of mobility, so grab the silverware while you can!
- Your mother teaching you a wide range of skills at deflection and diversion and rationalization. Of theft.
Much is explained, yup.
iris lilies
10-2-17, 9:00pm
We are, this moment, mulling over the mounds of paperwork to move forward with
Swiss naturalization status for DH. He may or may not go forward with it. For us, it would just be a lark, no real advantage that I can see.it seems to involve fees of at least $1,000 and four hour interviews in New York city, at minimum.
I realize there's an anti-"silencer" spin going on today. Even Hilary got into the act. Presumably it's an attempt to derail H.R. 367, by capitalizing on a tragedy before the bodies have even been removed from the site.
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People trying to use this incident to advance an agenda aren't particularly interested in facts however.
Hmm, when even The Washington Post is dubious about the "evil silencers" rhetoric, you know you've got problems.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/20/are-firearms-with-a-silencer-quiet/?utm_term=.53a78ee6d9c2
(Note that the Post tried to be "balanced" by "debunking" the benefits of suppressors. In fact, most places I have used them, we *also* used hearing protection. Hearing loss is progressive, and every bit of excessive sound degrades your hearing over your lifetime exposure (one of the reasons I am so careful when instructing young people). So smart people use as much hearing protection as they can manage. )
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 9:42pm
- Theft
- Your mother teaching you theft was OK, especially from classes "higher" than your own
- Your mother teaching you that you had no chance of mobility, so grab the silverware while you can!
- Your mother teaching you a wide range of skills at deflection and diversion and rationalization. Of theft.
Much is explained, yup.I could not disagree with you more. But the good news is that i going to print out your post and when I am tired, I will refer to it to give me oooomph to continue in the protests against what America is and what America has become. So in a way you have done me a favor here with your complete and total lack of understanding, so I will give you a non-sarcastic Thank You from the 85006. I discussed it with my husband, who says karma will settle all scores and make those who refuse to understand hungry at some later date. I don't wish you hunger, bae, hunger is awful and I know - I wish you some humanity is all. Some understanding of those who don't have your assets and are therefore not bubbled from the reality of the United States. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-17, 9:47pm
We are, this moment, mulling over the mounds of paperwork to move forward with
Swiss naturalization status for DH. He may or may not go forward with it. For us, it would just be a lark, no real advantage that I can see.it seems to involve fees of at least $1,000 and four hour interviews in New York city, at minimum.OMG for the life of everyone struggling and living in fear in the 85006 - GET THE FOREIGN PASSPORT!!! AMERICA tDOES NOT CARE IF YOU LIVE OR DIE! (If you can handle socioeconomic reality to read this far, seriously....have DH get the passport....you don't know when your continued life will depend on it, and out of respect to all those hungry in the US, don't you believe you if you are able to get a Swiss passport, it's your moral and ethical responsibility to do so?) Seriously. IL, there are so many in the 85006 that could guide you and advise you, I truly wish you were here to hear a practical, no-loyalty-possible-whatsoever take on this issue from someone other than myself. Quite likely the most practical $1K you will ever spend....to have a permanent insurance policy against the United States? How can you even hesitate? Rob
iris lilies
10-2-17, 10:09pm
OMG for the life of everyone struggling and living in fear in the 85006 - GET THE FOREIGN PASSPORT!!! AMERICA tDOES NOT CARE IF YOU LIVE OR DIE! (If you can handle socioeconomic reality to read this far, seriously....have DH get the passport....you don't know when your continued life will depend on it, and out of respect to all those hungry in the US, don't you believe you if you are able to get a Swiss passport, it's your moral and ethical responsibility to do so?) Seriously. IL, there are so many in the 85006 that could guide you and advise you, I truly wish you were here to hear a practical, no-loyalty-possible-whatsoever take on this issue from someone other than myself. Quite likely the most practical $1K you will ever spend....to have a permanent insurance policy against the United States? How can you even hesitate? Rob
I figured this would get you all heated up, but my "moral and ethical responsibility" is hyperbole in the extreme. You are being ridiculous, I cant imagine why saving myself from the AMerica of your nightmares is either ethical or moral. Getting Swiss papers would be of benefit only to us, it doesnt help anyone else, how is that "ethical?"
Why don't YOU have an Austrian passport? And why is your husband even here, if he can legally settle in Mexico? I think "the 85006" needs to take issue with both of YOU and "guide and advise" you both right outta here.
I discussed it with my husband, who says karma will settle all scores and make those who refuse to understand hungry at some later date.
Wow. You guys must be fun at parties.
I know what hunger is. See previous discussion of squirrel brain recipes, and methods of preparing roadkill. I used to fish, for our dinner, every day upon returning from school, before I did my homework. And I ran a muskrat trapline in the swamp, to generate some hard cash from the general store, and some extra meat.
Some understanding of those who don't have your assets and are therefore not bubbled from the reality of the United States. Rob
So you claim to have a firm and correct understanding of America, developed when you were 8 years old. When I was 8, we were living in a single-wide in the swamp and feasting on swamp things - but because I have acquired assets since then, my understanding is somehow now gone?
Curiouser and curiouser.
iris lilies
10-2-17, 10:14pm
Wow. You guys must be fun at parties.
I know what hunger is. See previous discussion of squirrel brain recipes, and methods of preparing roadkill. I used to fish, for our dinner, every day upon returning from school, before I did my homework. And I ran a muskrat trapline in the swamp, to generate some hard cash from the general store, and some extra meat.
So you claim to have a firm and correct understanding of America, developed when you were 8 years old. When I was 8, we were living in a single-wide in the swamp and feasting on swamp things - but because I have acquired assets since then, my understanding is somehow now gone?
Curiouser and curiouser.
or, ridiculouser and ridiculouser.
Williamsmith
10-3-17, 4:44am
Wow. You guys must be fun at parties.
I know what hunger is. See previous discussion of squirrel brain recipes, and methods of preparing roadkill. I used to fish, for our dinner, every day upon returning from school, before I did my homework. And I ran a muskrat trapline in the swamp, to generate some hard cash from the general store, and some extra meat.
So you claim to have a firm and correct understanding of America, developed when you were 8 years old. When I was 8, we were living in a single-wide in the swamp and feasting on swamp things - but because I have acquired assets since then, my understanding is somehow now gone?
Curiouser and curiouser.
There is nothing wrong with some “fresh” roadkill. We used to pick it up all the time and when on duty we made radio announcements for fresh roadkill. Isn’t that consistent with utilizing nature to its fullest but the turkey vultures and crows would make good use of it if we didn’t.
And my first entrepreneurial adventure as a kid was the muskrat trapline.
When I was 8, we were living in a single-wide in the swamp and feasting on swamp things - but because I have acquired assets since then, my understanding is somehow now gone?
When I was eight we lived in a ranch house and feasted on meat loaf and tater tots. If my mother caught me stealing, the consequences would have been swift and painful. Offering excuses or rationalizations would have made it worse for me, possibly in proportion to the degree of self-righteousness I expressed. I owe her for that. I might otherwise have grown up believing a sense of grievance was sufficient justification for stealing from others and that all my problems were the fault of a rigged system. What a terrible handicap that would be to impose on a child.
At the end of one of my semesters in college money was running out and most of what food was left was hot dogs. They were a major item in my diet for a week or so. Move out time is a bounty for dumpster diving in a college town. One time a friend discovered most of a deer, butchered, wrapped, labeled, and still partly frozen. It did not go to waste. I confess to white privilege, but have worn my horsehair shirt, too.
Teacher Terry
10-3-17, 1:25pm
Ldahl: luckily I grew up just like you:)) No place is perfect and every country has problems. I was discussing this with my DIL from Poland. She is widely traveled and agrees.
Teacher Terry
10-3-17, 1:33pm
We paid cash for my first 3 degrees by my ex working overtime in a blue collar job, living frugally with 3 kids. For one degree I had a full scholarship.
Turns out I was off today after a stretch of working doubles (but nice check coming!!!) but I have to haul my tired self downtown today for a last minute meeting. Apparently increased security measures are being discussed/implemented STAT due to the horrific shootings in Las Vegas early this morning or was it late last night? At any rate......I'm so creeped out I don't even have attitude to give about coming in on a day off - if it's to improve security after what happened in Las Vegas, it's a valid meeting in my book and I'm there.
Stay safe as best you can out there, folks. I worry about copy catters......those of us such as myself who work in or around juicy targets......let's just be as safe as we can and as aware as we can. Rob
Rob,
I've ben thinking about your meeting and was curious to find out what the new security instructions were (if you can say). I've also been thinking about the Las Vegas shooter and how many weapons were found in his hotel room. So do you think service staff are now going to be asked to be more vigilant about reporting anything out of the ordinary?
Like, hotel maid to supervisor, "hey, this guy on the 32nd floor appears to have a lot of weaponry in his room." Supervisor to local police: "come over and talk to this guy."
It's the post 9/11 world, and we're all supposed to follow the See something, Say something rule.
iris lilies
10-3-17, 5:33pm
Rob,
I've ben thinking about your meeting and was curious to find out what the new security instructions were (if you can say). I've also been thinking about the Las Vegas shooter and how many weapons were found in his hotel room. So do you think service staff are now going to be asked to be more vigilant about reporting anything out of the ordinary?
Like, hotel maid to supervisor, "hey, this guy on the 32nd floor appears to have a lot of weaponry in his room." Supervisor to local police: "come over and talk to this guy."
It's the post 9/11 world, and we're all supposed to follow the See something, Say something rule.
When I stay at a hotel in the U.S., I put "Do not
disturb" on the door. I dont want sheets or towels changed, or anything freshioned up. While some places have a policy that they WILL check your room every 3-4 days, I think it is easy to keep folks out of your room for the time necessary to set up a killing operation like this.
When I was eight we lived in a ranch house and feasted on meat loaf and tater tots. If my mother caught me stealing, the consequences would have been swift and painful. Offering excuses or rationalizations would have made it worse for me, possibly in proportion to the degree of self-righteousness I expressed. I owe her for that. I might otherwise have grown up believing a sense of grievance was sufficient justification for stealing from others and that all my problems were the fault of a rigged system. What a terrible handicap that would be to impose on a child.
I was raised that way too, but when my parents weren't looking my brothers and I would watch Robin Hood which was on the list of forbidden TV programs.
gimmethesimplelife
10-4-17, 7:24pm
Rob,
I've ben thinking about your meeting and was curious to find out what the new security instructions were (if you can say). I've also been thinking about the Las Vegas shooter and how many weapons were found in his hotel room. So do you think service staff are now going to be asked to be more vigilant about reporting anything out of the ordinary?
Like, hotel maid to supervisor, "hey, this guy on the 32nd floor appears to have a lot of weaponry in his room." Supervisor to local police: "come over and talk to this guy."
It's the post 9/11 world, and we're all supposed to follow the See something, Say something rule.Hi Lainey!
Gotta say this Supervisory gig is complex in it's nature....there is so much I have to know and have to impliment in my new role. This is not a bad thing, just different is all. To answer your question.....and it's horrible as I can't repeat all which is so bizarre to me coming from a server role. What I can say is that going forward the background of temps will be checked deeper than the current 7 years, and that there will be more security at the Convention Center and that there will be more inspection of bags entering the Convention Center. Beyond this I can't say and I know this is lame but so is my new role.....also there is more stress on me to monitor the floor after Las Vegas. Rob
Teacher Terry
10-5-17, 1:23pm
I just read the NV is increasing their armed plainclothes gaming board agents in both REno and Vegas.
gimmethesimplelife
10-5-17, 8:36pm
I just read the NV is increasing their armed plainclothes gaming board agents in both REno and Vegas.There will also be more security in downtown Phoenix in general, not just at the Convention Center. With Chase Field down there and the number of office workers and business professionals hanging out downtown until 6 PM or so, along with the restaurants and bars and hotels downtown now, I am of the opinion that increased security can't hurt.......though I'm not entirely sold that it can prevent another attack similar to Las Vegas. Rob
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ToomuchStuff
10-6-17, 1:25am
Security, which in this case, is really all about two things:
1. Prevent copycats
2. Show of force to help install a sense of calm, reduce fear.
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