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I am pretty sure there are still some Republicans left on this forum.
The elections are coming up, as we all know.
Why should I consider voting for Trump? I off course hear the unending stream of why I shouldn’t, but what are the positive reasons why I should?
Glad you asked. I would love to know as well.
If the Republicans are reelected and have any chance to retain what they have in the Legislature, they will concentrate all their efforts on the corporate business world and Wall Street. Could be our investments will do well and they will reopen everything. The bottom line is everything.
(I care about my investments but not as much as the human beings that produce the work.) From a former Republican.
flowerseverywhere
8-5-20, 7:49pm
176 views and not one answer. I’m curious why not one person has given a reason since 40%+ of people who are polled still support his presidency.
I think of the presidency as more of a figure head position with the real power belonging to the Congress. I'll vote a straight Republican ticket in hopes of achieving a Republican majority in both houses. I think it's more important than ever to do that at this point in history because it appears the far left is taking over the Democratic Party and I think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that will help Trump though, I'm feeling more and more that Biden will win the election without ever even campaigning, or maybe even not debating, which I suppose is due to the power of the media. Another reason I believe a strong Republican presence in Congress is essential.
Besides that the only positive thing I can say for a Trump vote is the chance to influence whatever upcoming Supreme Court vacancies may occur.
176 views and not one answer. I’m curious why not one person has given a reason since 40%+ of people who are polled still support his presidency.Most of our regular political posters have already told us many, many times how badly Republicans suck and what terrible people they are. Most Republicans, being rational people, probably don't want to get caught up in the replies.
iris lilies
8-5-20, 11:01pm
176 views and not one answer. I’m curious why not one person has given a reason since 40%+ of people who are polled still support his presidency.
It’s a trap.
It’s a trap.
Yeah. Admitting to supporting that turd is probably a trap that few can get out of. Alan did a great job of admitting support of republicans without admitting support for the turd since he’s smart enough to not actually support that loser.
ApatheticNoMore
8-6-20, 1:28am
176 views and not one answer. I’m curious why not one person has given a reason since 40%+ of people who are polled still support his presidency.
because I can't answer that question, I can only answer the why not to vote for Trump question.
It’s a trap.
Seems tricky business when nobody will offer a positive reason to vote for a candidate.
Seems tricky business when nobody will offer a positive reason to vote for a candidate.
I think Sweetana and Alan offered two reasons, while also pointing out that they do not support the candidate.
Since I would not vote for him, I can't do any better. But they both did give two hypothetical and possible reasons why someone might vote for him.
iris lilies
8-6-20, 9:04am
Seems tricky business when nobody will offer a positive reason to vote for a candidate.
I guess he will lose then.
I’m waiting for the Debates for the top slot. Pretty much Republican the rest of the way. Maybe Biden will wow me with his VP choice and debate performance.
I’m waiting for the Debates for the top slot. Pretty much Republican the rest of the way. Maybe Biden will wow me with his VP choice and debate performance.
When are the debates?
I’m not even sure Biden’s handlers will let him. But hopefully soon. At the very least they should be entertaining.
I'm not sure I will be able to watch--they are both such explosive personalities, and it will be so nervewracking.
I generally support the GOP aims, however imperfectly conservative, over those of the Democrats. Especially with their apparent lurch to the left into a strange quasi-Marxist identitarian cult. But I also think people exaggerate the role of the President to almost monarchical levels.
I don’t think Trump has the character or the intellect for the office, and I don’t think Biden does either. So I’m comfortable voting libertarian at the top and GOP everywhere else. I don’t accept the argument that a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for Trump.
I won't speak for myself, but I can tell you why DH is voting for him.
My DH is voting for Trump because a) he believes that Trump is responsible for the growth of the economy up until COVID; b) he "tells it like it is" (I know, I know, he doesn't seem to hear the lies), c) unlike Biden, he isn't a "Washington insider," d) he agrees with policies on immigration and other Republican platform law-and-order policies; e) he doesn't like Biden because of his poor track record running for President in the past and just because he's not exciting, and f) he's mad at the Dems for screwing Bernie twice. Ironically, if Bernie had run, DH would have been all in for him.
Those are his reasons.
happystuff
8-6-20, 11:37am
I think of the presidency as more of a figure head position with the real power belonging to the Congress. I'll vote a straight Republican ticket in hopes of achieving a Republican majority in both houses. I think it's more important than ever to do that at this point in history because it appears the far left is taking over the Democratic Party and I think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that will help Trump though, I'm feeling more and more that Biden will win the election without ever even campaigning, or maybe even not debating, which I suppose is due to the power of the media. Another reason I believe a strong Republican presence in Congress is essential.
Besides that the only positive thing I can say for a Trump vote is the chance to influence whatever upcoming Supreme Court vacancies may occur.
LOL - and I'm voting straight Democrat pretty much for the same reasons - just change "Republican" to "Democrat" and "far left" to "far right". I can't say anything positive about Trump and hope he doesn't get a chance to fill any more Supreme Court vacancies.
Trump and hope he doesn't get a chance to fill any more Supreme Court vacancies.
The hypocrisy would be staggering but completely unsurprising.
Yeah. Admitting to supporting that turd is probably a trap that few can get out of. Alan did a great job of admitting support of republicans without admitting support for the turd since he’s smart enough to not actually support that loser.It's true that I don't support Trump, and never have, but I also don't support Biden, and never will. So, I'll vote a straight Republican ticket for the reasons already mentioned. Sometimes all you have are bad choices and you have to go with the one that you believe will do the least lasting harm and regardless of what anyone thinks of Trump I believe his buffoonery will have no long term impact. I can't say the same for Biden and whichever probable successor he'll choose to take his place during his first term.
regardless of what anyone thinks of Trump I believe his buffoonery will have no long term impact.
His buffoonery - no. His lies, nastiness, meanness, and hatefulness - yes.
iris lilies
8-6-20, 1:32pm
There IS the Supreme Court nominee, true dat. If Trump wins, will Ruth Ginsberg be able to hang on for another four years?
There IS the Supreme Court nominee, true dat. If Trump wins, will Ruth Ginsberg be able to hang on for another four years?Like most liberals I think she'll hold on as long as possible in hopes of denying any Republican the chance to suggest her successor. But she's already 87 years old so who knows?
I can’t vote for trump. I’ll vote for anyone else. Same reason I couldn’t have voted for hitler in the 1930s.
There IS the Supreme Court nominee, true dat. If Trump wins, will Ruth Ginsberg be able to hang on for another four years?
The magic actuarial 8 ball says "highly unlikely".
Random thing about RBG. The NY Times crossword the other day was all about her. She did the puzzle, signed it, and then sent it to the author of the puzzle.
Random thing about RBG. The NY Times crossword the other day was all about her. She did the puzzle, signed it, and then sent it to the author of the puzzle.
I saw her several evenings in a row at the Santa Fe opera two years ago, and she seemed pretty perky.
Teacher Terry
8-6-20, 3:21pm
I have never voted a straight ticket before but I will this time. I am so very sick of the damage the Republicans are doing to this country.
I have never voted a straight ticket before but I will this time. I am so very sick of the damage the Republicans are doing to this country.
Like what?
Teacher Terry
8-6-20, 4:15pm
Alan, if you don’t know you have been in a long coma:))
Alan, if you don’t know you have been in a long coma:))No coma, sorry. I was just curious to know what my party has done that you might consider "damage to the country". I didn't mean it to be rhetorical but if you don't want to answer that's OK.
Alan, if you don’t know you have been in a long coma:))
Like this one??
https://youtu.be/4TogbPPyQQM
Like what?
This is a recent article... check out the end....
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html
This is a place to start... if you want more... I will locate.
This is a recent article... check out the end....
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html
This is a place to start... if you want more... I will locate.
Thanks for that. One question though, in the list at the end were any of those regulations or rules being modified initially approved by the peoples representatives in Congress? I'm wondering if a regulatory state is better than a nation of laws approved by the peoples representatives. I think a Republican would probably say not and risk the scorn of big government lovers by ensuring the people have a say in the administration of the country.
Luckily for those authoritarian government lovers, it seems likely to me that they will take over in just a few months and they'll get to change everything back to their liking.
Thanks for that. One question though, in the list at the end were any of those regulations or rules being modified initially approved by the peoples representatives in Congress? I'm wondering if a regulatory state is better than a nation of laws approved by the peoples representatives.
Reminds me of the recent question if electors could vote the way they want or be required to vote the way the majority of people in their state want them to.
Thanks for that. One question though, in the list at the end were any of those regulations or rules being modified initially approved by the peoples representatives in Congress? I'm wondering if a regulatory state is better than a nation of laws approved by the peoples representatives. I think a Republican would probably say not and risk the scorn of big government lovers by ensuring the people have a say in the administration of the country.
Luckily for those authoritarian government lovers, it seems likely to me that they will take over in just a few months and they'll get to change everything back to their liking.
I don't think many people are authoritarian government lovers. The point is to protect what we can based on the science we have. That is the main premise in the above.
Reminds me of the recent question if electors could vote the way they want or be required to vote the way the majority of people in their state want them to.
And the answer is Yes. While each state enforces their own rules the Supreme Court just last month affirmed the states right to deal with Faithless Electors, as rare as they are.
iris lilies
8-6-20, 6:47pm
Like this one??
https://youtu.be/4TogbPPyQQM
haha, ok, that was good if a little long.
haha, ok, that was good if a little long.
Yes it was. Stephen Root is good in everything. I think he may be the best character actor in the business at the moment.
haha, ok, that was good if a little long.
That was my thought when I watched it too. Although I’m not sure how they could tighten it up without leaving stuff out.
iris lilies
8-6-20, 9:10pm
Yes it was. Stephen Root is good in everything. I think he may be the best character actor in the business at the moment.
Stephen Root! Of course,
I knew I knew that actor.
Personally I wouldn’t pick a ‘figurehead’ who says crap like this.
“ I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
Or ‘it is what it is’ when discussing the deaths of 150,000 Americans and counting. Rapidly counting.
Or any number of other awful statements he’s made over the past several years.
If the president is merely a figurehead (not a concept I agree with, especially when it comes to foreign policy) I would certainly not pick someone like trump to be the head of my figure.
flowerseverywhere
8-7-20, 2:39pm
No coma, sorry. I was just curious to know what my party has done that you might consider "damage to the country". I didn't mean it to be rhetorical but if you don't want to answer that's OK.
For ten years the republicans have said they would repeal and replace the ACA. No replacement has ever been put on the table. Yes numerous attempts to repeal. Trump said during his first campaign he had a plan that would be cheaper, cover more people and be more comprehensive. Then he promised the senate would have a plan. A few weeks ago he said the plan would be unveiled in 11 days. The failure, even with a R senate and house, to advance a healthcare plan has damaged many many people. As people lose employment and their health care they will be in a world of hurt. Especially if their wish, a full repeal is done and diabetics etc. cannot get any coverage. If you damage your citizens you damage the country.
Second, after years of screaming “the deficit” they gave massive tax cuts that benefitted the wealthy and corporations that was supposed to trickle down. The deficit went up even before COVID. Now it is soaring out of control. Who is going to pay for Republicans not fixing the roof when the sun was shining?
The deficit went up even before COVID. Now it is soaring out of control. Who is going to pay for Republicans not fixing the roof when the sun was shining?
Are you implying that the roof wouldn't be in worse shape with the Democrats in charge? I think they're preventing or delaying help for citizens now because the Republicans only want to spend $1,000,000,000,000 instead of $3,000,000,000,000.
Second, after years of screaming “the deficit” they gave massive tax cuts that benefitted the wealthy and corporations that was supposed to trickle down. I think what they actually did was bring income taxes on business down to roughly the same as all those countries the businesses had been fleeing to. The trickle down may have contributed to our very recent lowest unemployment numbers in my lifetime. Of course Covid blew all that to hell but I suspect it was still a good move which will help recovery once this is over.
So far, I'm seeing a lot of finger pointing on this thread, but very few specific reasons.
You'd think there'd be some.
If I vote for Trump, and he's elected, what specific positive things will I expect him to accomplish in the next four years?
So far, I'm seeing a lot of finger pointing on this thread, but very few specific reasons.
You'd think there'd be some.
If I vote for Trump, and he's elected, what specific positive things will I expect him to accomplish in the next four years?
More activist judges?
More tax cuts for the rich?
More "owning the libs"?
More "law and order"?
Although who knows, he hasn't really talked about what he'd do in a second term.
If you are a die-hard Republican voter, than Trump is all you've got. I wonder why there aren't any younger ones rising to the top in both parties? How did he get so entrenched?
If you are a die-hard Republican voter, than Trump is all you've got. I wonder why there aren't any younger ones rising to the top in both parties? How did he get so entrenched?I blame the media, they made him and they can't get enough of him because the version of him they promote is good for ratings which bumps up advertising revenue. You'd have a very difficult time finding any news media outlet, digital, broadcast or print that doesn't devote the vast majority of their time promoting the version of him their customers prefer. Then the customers divide themselves into groups lambasting the other side based upon the impressions their favorite media has given them. There's very little reason involved but the media consumers seem to prefer emotion and all the best known politicians exploit that to their advantage. I say a pox on them all.
Like what?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/31/trump-2020-impact-report-environment-america
I blame the media, they made him and they can't get enough of him because the version of him they promote is good for ratings which bumps up advertising revenue. You'd have a very difficult time finding any news media outlet, digital, broadcast or print that doesn't devote the vast majority of their time promoting the version of him their customers prefer. Then the customers divide themselves into groups lambasting the other side based upon the impressions their favorite media has given them. There's very little reason involved but the media consumers seem to prefer emotion and all the best known politicians exploit that to their advantage. I say a pox on them all.
That's so easy, Alan. Are you lumping ALL media together or only the type his minions enjoy?
How did he get nominated in the first place? Are you telling me the media is responsible for that?
Where will you get all your factual and legitimate news if there was no media at all? Hmm?
That's so easy, Alan. Are you lumping ALL media together or only the type his minions enjoy?
How did he get nominated in the first place? Are you telling me the media is responsible for that?
Where will you get all your factual and legitimate news if there was no media at all? Hmm?I think there'll always be news media because it's one of the most popular entertainment venue's around.
I remember back in the pre-cable days when there were 3 networks and an independent station or two in each market the FCC required each network to provide news programing as a public service and each one provided a 15 minute or so national newscast each evening and local markets did the same for local news. These newscasts were loss leaders for the networks and individual stations so they didn't get much airtime. That changed in the 60's and 70's when newscasts of all stripes became profit centers with expanded coverage and an advertisement every 5 minutes or so. People liked it, especially when their trusted newsreaders began offering commentary, the likes of which were previously limited to opinion pages in newspapers. Commentary and opinion became so popular that it pretty much took over news operations and nobody did it as well as upstart cable news operations once CNN became the first full-time news network and other operators discovered there was money to be made without having to provide expensive programming.
I can't speak for "his minions", even though I've been accused here of being one, because I usually get my slanted news from MSNBC, a favorite of "his arch-nemeses" along with a few newspapers and magazines.
As for how he got nominated, it was well reported several years ago that he received a disproportionate amount of media coverage by cable and network news, vastly more than any other candidate, even though most of it was mocking, but it resulted in him being an almost immediate front-runner, strangely enough.
I've read several articles in the past week or so about an MSNBC producer named Ariana Pekary and her open letter criticizing commercial news operations and their penchant for only providing opinion/news that fit their target demographic's wishes (you may have to search for that since most businesses won't publish anything critical of themselves). But that's what a business does, give it's customers what they want. I'm not sure where we can get "factual and legitimate news" these days. I think you have to consume it from various sources and keep the wheat and throw away the chaff, and there's an awful lot of chaff.
iris lilies
8-7-20, 7:03pm
That's so easy, Alan. Are you lumping ALL media together or only the type his minions enjoy?
How did he get nominated in the first place? Are you telling me the media is responsible for that?
Where will you get all your factual and legitimate news if there was no media at all? Hmm?
I absolutely believe the mainstream media that mocked and disparaged Donald Trump had a major role in getting him elected. And he knows it. And if ya’ll cant see him manipulate that media still, well, god help us.
I thought he won because people believed his debate boast about having the biggest penis. If he were a more honest person he would’ve said that he was the biggest penis, but alas, truth is not his friend.
I thought he won because people believed his debate boast about having the biggest penis. If he were a more honest person he would’ve said that he was the biggest penis, but alas, truth is not his friend.I believe he said he had big hands, after someone accused him of having little hands for some reason I've yet to understand. Did you maybe see that on Saturday Night Live where perhaps a re-creation skit substituted penis and then half the world preferred that version over the actual? No, you're too smart for that and won't let them confuse you again like they did with Sarah Palin. It's more likely some opinion journalist suggested he meant penis and you thought it was funny.
So are we saying that the media should NOT have covered the raunchy conversation Iris referred to, or any other aspect of his campaign which made you sit up straight? Do we consider Faux Snooze a part of the media, cuz they sure covered him too.
I think you have to consume it from various sources and keep the wheat and throw away the chaff, and there's an awful lot of chaff.
There ya go! Ding-ding-ding!
So not a pox on ALL media, then?
So are we saying that the media should NOT have covered the raunchy conversation Iris referred to, or any other aspect of his campaign which made you sit up straight? Do we consider Faux Snooze a part of the media, cuz they sure covered him too.
What raunchy conversation did Iris refer to? Did you mean JP1's penis joke?
Yes, I consider Fox News to be part of the media, are you implying that they got him elected, perhaps against the best efforts of CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN and the dozen or so largest newspapers in the country who promoted him relentlessly during the primaries in hopes of an easy Clinton win in the general?
There ya go! Ding-ding-ding!
So not a pox on ALL media, then?No, I meant all media. You've probably heard the one about the broken watch being right twice a day?
"Look at those hands, are they small hands?" the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination said, raising them for viewers to see. "And, he referred to my hands -- 'if they're small, something else must be small.' I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee."
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-small-hands-marco-rubio/index.html
flowerseverywhere
8-8-20, 4:32am
I have asked the original question of several very nice people I am friends with who are avid Trump supporters. I live in a very red area. Because I really want to know and they are normal, nice people. Not crazy white supremists or deplorables. There are several interesting responses I have heard.
one is not sending more than our share to NATO and spending US money to have bases in foreign countries to protect their citizens. Those countries should pay us to protect them.
second, the immigration/wall issue. The false idea that people can illegally come into the US and get free housing, medical care, food stamps and welfare. Also these immigrants get jobs that Americans could do and send the money back to their home countries. Not to mention all the murderers and rapists.
third, the abortion issue. This is an extremely hot issue. I am not going to convert anyone to believe anything other than what they do about abortion.
Fourth is more Jesus. I have heard things like “we are a Christian country”. “trump lets me say merry Christmas again”.
Fifth, the liberal woke culture has gone too far.
sixth the liberals want to take our guns. Before the Muslim not born in the US Obama’s second term the rumor a neighbor actually told me was he was going to declare martial law and take everyone’s guns and declare Sharia law. I knew we were in big trouble then.
So in each of these issues I could get into discussions of inaccuracy and spin. But I will tell you right now, anyone who does not believe we could benefit from foreign bases, or that all abortion should be illegal, even if it means almost certain death for the mother or the product of rape or incest, even of children will not be swayed. The religion thing drives me the most insane.
I do have to say, some of the politically correct stuff perplexes me. Some people are openly racist which is obviously very wrong and think there is no systemic racism. But I guess now you aren’t supposed to make the OK sign. Not sure why.
I do say the health insurance issue is a stumper. Why is there no replacement like we have been promised for TEN YEARS. If you ask about it the most common response is a “but her emails” anyone is better than Hillary and Obamacare is unconstitutional . Also Hillary=bad and it would be worse with her in charge is a useful answer if you are asking if the Covid response could have been better if trump believed in science and his health experts.
The false idea that people can illegally come into the US and get free housing, medical care, food stamps and welfare. Also these immigrants get jobs that Americans could do and send the money back to their home countries.
Schrodinger’s immigrants. Interesting.
iris lilies
8-8-20, 8:23am
I have asked the original question of several very nice people I am friends with who are avid Trump supporters. I live in a very red area. Because I really want to know and they are normal, nice people. Not crazy white supremists or deplorables. There are several interesting responses I have heard.
one is not sending more than our share to NATO and spending US money to have bases in foreign countries to protect their citizens. Those countries should pay us to protect them.
second, the immigration/wall issue. The false idea that people can illegally come into the US and get free housing, medical care, food stamps and welfare. Also these immigrants get jobs that Americans could do and send the money back to their home countries. Not to mention all the murderers and rapists.
third, the abortion issue. This is an extremely hot issue. I am not going to convert anyone to believe anything other than what they do about abortion.
Fourth is more Jesus. I have heard things like “we are a Christian country”. “trump lets me say merry Christmas again”.
Fifth, the liberal woke culture has gone too far.
sixth the liberals want to take our guns. Before the Muslim not born in the US Obama’s second term the rumor a neighbor actually told me was he was going to declare martial law and take everyone’s guns and declare Sharia law. I knew we were in big trouble then.
So in each of these issues I could get into discussions of inaccuracy and spin. But I will tell you right now, anyone who does not believe we could benefit from foreign bases, or that all abortion should be illegal, even if it means almost certain death for the mother or the product of rape or incest, even of children will not be swayed. The religion thing drives me the most insane.
I do have to say, some of the politically correct stuff perplexes me. Some people are openly racist which is obviously very wrong and think there is no systemic racism. But I guess now you aren’t supposed to make the OK sign. Not sure why.
I do say the health insurance issue is a stumper. Why is there no replacement like we have been promised for TEN YEARS. If you ask about it the most common response is a “but her emails” anyone is better than Hillary and Obamacare is unconstitutional . Also Hillary=bad and it would be worse with her in charge is a useful answer if you are asking if the Cov response could have been better if trump believed in science and his health experts.
To the bolded:
perhaps NATO being less dependent on US dollars is a good thing for the world and for NATO and for the US.
If you think illegal aliens are not getting some services funded by tax dollars, you need to look into it more carefully.
The “merry Christmas” thing is more of a team identifier as in Team Christmas! Than any logical response. Team spirit isnt always logical. Apparently The Donald likes Christmas and he says it and others who like Christmas want to say it as well. If you think there’s no pushback about saying merry Christmas then you are not paying attention.
The liberal woke culture— it’s tiresome. I’m not gonna vote for Donald Trump because of it, But I live it every day in my crime ridden city and it’s a very big thing. The Ferguson Effect has our city attorney going after the wrong people.
The president tried to broker a deal with warring factions in Congress about an ACA replacement. He doesn’t have absolute powers, and if that’s just one more campaign promise by one more politician that doesn’t get fulfilled well That is nothing unusual.
I thought he won because people believed his debate boast about having the biggest penis. If he were a more honest person he would’ve said that he was the biggest penis, but alas, truth is not his friend.
He won because of electoral votes - he LOST by way of popular votes. The majority of people in this country DID NOT WANT this man as president.
Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton
Electoral vote 304[a] 227[a]
Popular vote 62,984,828 65,853,514
Percentage 46.1% 48.2%
flowerseverywhere
8-8-20, 9:44am
To the bolded:
perhaps NATO being less dependent on US dollars is a good thing for the world and for NATO and for the US.
If you think illegal aliens are not getting some services funded by tax dollars, you need to look into it more carefully.
The “merry Christmas” thing is more of a team identifier as in Team Christmas! Than any logical response. Team spirit isnt always logical. Apparently The Donald likes Christmas and he says it and others who like Christmas want to say it as well. If you think there’s no pushback about saying merry Christmas then you are not paying attention.
The liberal woke culture— it’s tiresome. I’m not gonna vote for Donald Trump because of it, But I live it every day in my crime ridden city and it’s a very big thing. The Ferguson Effect has our city attorney going after the wrong people.
The president tried to broker a deal with warring factions in Congress about an ACA replacement. He doesn’t have absolute powers, and if that’s just one more campaign promise by one more politician that doesn’t get fulfilled well That is nothing unusual.
i agree about people here illegally. Children are not asked status and go to school and so on. Pregnant women show up to give birth at hospitals when our own citizens cannot get adequate health care. I know people will come back on this however we cannot even educate our own kids properly so I can see the point of people who do not agree with this.
ApatheticNoMore
8-8-20, 1:00pm
He won because of electoral votes - he LOST by way of popular votes. The majority of people in this country DID NOT WANT this man as president.
and now 150k of us have died and one can't even blame voters because it wasn't even what they wanted, an archaic and ridiculous system has forced this situation on us.
Teacher Terry
8-8-20, 3:21pm
Flowers, I totally agree with you and is one reason I couldn’t live in a red city. I probably would start strangling people if I had to listen to them spew such nonsense irl.
Flowers, I totally agree with you and is one reason I couldn’t live in a red city. I probably would start strangling people if I had to listen to them spew such nonsense irl.
I think you might be disappointed to find the reality you find doesn't fit the caricature's you imagine.
I think you might be disappointed to find the reality you find doesn't fit the caricature's you imagine.
On the one hand, you’d be less likely to have your property damaged in a mostly peaceful demonstration. On the other, you’d be more likely to get shot if you tried strangling someone for their opinions.
On the one hand, you’d be less likely to have your property damaged in a mostly peaceful demonstration. On the other, you’d be more likely to get shot if you tried strangling someone for their opinions.Yep! God Bless Red States!!
gimmethesimplelife
8-8-20, 7:29pm
I'll admit I'm late to the party here but as a proud resident of the 85006 I have to say - I can't think of one single reason to vote for Trump. Many reasons not to - sure. But not a single reason to vote for the man. I hope for a soul crushing, ego destroying overwhelming loss for Mr. Trump.
Certainly he will be a colorful character in US history books for years - and future generations will be dazed and in wonderment as to how Mr. Trump ever won in the first place.
Finally I can wear my Impeachment Outfit to Trump's Resounding Loss Neighborhood Social Distancing Event. Given Covid, it won't be the Block Party described before. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
8-8-20, 7:34pm
I have a friend from my College days who has taken ill and who lives in Tucson. Last weekend I went down to Tucson to visit and in Very Blue Tucson I was so embarrassed for the occupants of a Nissan Sentra with Pro Trump stickers on it. It just seemed so out of place and completely socially inappropriate for Tucson - though also a bit brave - I have to give the occupants of this Nissan Sentra that. Rob
Gee, I think we should be able to live next door to each other and have different points of view. Or even live with each other. Or drive down a street with the bumper sticker of our choice. If we put up walls to trying to understand each other, we are part of the problem.
gimmethesimplelife
8-8-20, 8:01pm
Gee, I think we should be able to live next door to each other and have different points of view. Or even live with each other. Or drive down a street with the bumper sticker of our choice. If we put up walls to trying to understand each other, we are part of the problem.Catherine, certainly they are free to have Trump stickers on their Nissan. I looked the other way and said nothing and they were none the wiser. It's just out of place for Tucson. They broke no laws and can support whomever they please, with my approval not required. True fact. Rob
iris lilies
8-8-20, 8:27pm
Gee, I think we should be able to live next door to each other and have different points of view. Or even live with each other. Or drive down a street with the bumper sticker of our choice. If we put up walls to trying to understand each other, we are part of the problem.
well, I still am not gonna put out my Thank You Police! yard sign in the midst of all these signs on my block that are Black Lives Matter and We Believe [in the rainbow stuff]. It seems insensitive at this time.
Catherine, certainly they are free to have Trump stickers on their Nissan. I looked the other way and said nothing and they were none the wiser. It's just out of place for Tucson. They broke no laws and can support whomever they please, with my approval not required. True fact. RobBut maybe as part of your activism you could get the zoning board to prohibit habitation by anyone not approved by the neighborhood overseers or their college friends from elsewhere. You could consider it an act of kindness in limiting embarrassment for all involved with the added benefit of forcing everyone you disagree with to live somewhere more tolerant. Win/Win!
Gee, I think we should be able to live next door to each other and have different points of view. Or even live with each other. Or drive down a street with the bumper sticker of our choice. If we put up walls to trying to understand each other, we are part of the problem.
Sometimes there are things that are not understandable or forgivable. I have a few people I know who I truly do not want to get together with. I cannot understand voting for a one agenda item... ie abortion when this man has said and done so many egregious things. There is a point where enough is enough. I would prefer to not associate with them.
Catherine, certainly they are free to have Trump stickers on their Nissan. I looked the other way and said nothing and they were none the wiser. It's just out of place for Tucson. They broke no laws and can support whomever they please, with my approval not required. True fact. Rob
I get it.. it just seems like a sad sign of the times when people are so polarized. I don't remember people getting so tribal about their political beliefs. I'm the only progressive liberal in my mostly red neighborhood in VT. I guess I'm lucky they tolerate me and my Bernie sweatshirt.
Teacher Terry
8-9-20, 1:21am
I don’t discuss politics with my neighbors and have no clue what they support. I was kidding about the strangling. I have lived in red states. Just not my preference. Nevada was red when I moved here.
flowerseverywhere
8-9-20, 3:09am
Living in a sea of red when you are a democratic leaning independent is normally not a problem. I moved here before Obama’s first election and there was little fuss about it. I knew there were some people around me who disliked him but there were almost no political parades, signs or demonstrations. Very few people ever talked about politics. His second term, I started hearing falsehoods and rumors, like he was going to declare Marshall law and take away your guns, an occasional bumper sticker pro or con, but life went on.
Once Trump started his rally’s there was a side of people unleashed for some Republicans and Democrats. Suddenly I would be somewhere and some loudmouth would be spouting pro or con Trump drivel in totally inappropriate settings. But the large majority just went their way.
I will tell you one thing, next to four summers ago there are way fewer yard signs, bumper stickers and flags for either candidate. I used to see red MAGA hats when I walked or rode my bike but no more. Not that many people are out and about of course. It is early yet, though.
But after all all these comments, I am surprised that no actual forum member has provided much of an answer to Bae’s original question. On what merits or platform issues could you make an argument to vote for Trump? And not just Biden or Hillary negatives. Surely some forum members support him, even if it is for only one issue like abortion or immigration.
I get it.. it just seems like a sad sign of the times when people are so polarized. I don't remember people getting so tribal about their political beliefs.
You can thank the national figurehead for accomplishing that. There’s not been a president in any of our lifetimes who has worked as hard as him on sowing the seeds of division and hate. And been so extremely successful at it.
More activist judges?
More tax cuts for the rich?
More "owning the libs"?
More "law and order"?
Although who knows, he hasn't really talked about what he'd do in a second term.
But after all all these comments, I am surprised that no actual forum member has provided much of an answer to Bae’s original question. On what merits or platform issues could you make an argument to vote for Trump? And not just Biden or Hillary negatives. Surely some forum members support him, even if it is for only one issue like abortion or immigration.
I was actually serious when I said this. Obviously my answers were snark but for instance more activist judges means ‘overturn roe v. Wade’. Judging from their level of support for him Evangelicals seem willing to make a deal with the devil in order to get that one.
It’s not as though he is running on a platform in the traditional sense. And in fact he really has not laid out any sort of agenda for a second term. Anyone deciding to vote for him at this point is essentially voting for ‘more of the same’. Which is probably why polling seems to show that about the only people who still support him are his hardcore base. They will never give up on him.
Why would any forum members support him, if you read the forums?
iris lilies
8-9-20, 9:52am
Yes I support Trump for his leadership in the business community. The business community likes him.
If by support you mean “ vote for him” probably not.
gimmethesimplelife
8-9-20, 10:10am
Yes I support Trump for his leadership in the business community. The business community likes him.
If by support you mean “ vote for him” probably not.Kudos, IL. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
8-9-20, 10:15am
Supporting Trump at this point would be like living in Phoenix but yet going to a dentist on tbe US side of the border. Definitely working against yourself and your best interests - though with an asterik for Covid related issues to this statement.
In Los Algodones, Americans are being admitted for pharmacy/dental/medical - but the US border on the Andrade, California side closes at 2 PM now. Rob
Supporting Trump at this point would be like living in Phoenix but yet going to a dentist on tbe US side of the border.
Rob
I don’t know, what would be more Trumpian than exploiting cheap labor?
iris lilies
8-9-20, 12:27pm
I don’t know, what would be more Trumpian than exploiting cheap labor?
It is all about what benefits Rob. We’ve seen his screeds for years now: This country needs to hand him the freebies in order to show “respect for basic human dignity,” Or else! Or else he will take his health business across the border. As if the United States cares that Rob maintains his healthcare consumer status here in this country.
What is funny is that Rob racked up a quarter of $1 million in hospital bills but did not pay a dime of them. But nope that’s not enough to make him happy. Grateful? Hardly.
He’s a perfect example to me of the more we give people, the more they want.
gimmethesimplelife
8-9-20, 1:11pm
I don’t know, what would be more Trumpian than exploiting cheap labor?And what could possibly be more American than pricing an essential service out of the reach of millions, thereby making my stance you refer here to simply cold blooded common sense? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
8-9-20, 1:15pm
It is all about what benefits Rob. We’ve seen his screeds for years now: This country needs to hand him the freebies in order to show “respect for basic human dignity,” Or else! Or else he will take his health business across the border. As if the United States cares that Rob maintains his healthcare consumer status here in this country.
What is funny is that Rob racked up a quarter of $1 million in hospital bills but did not pay a dime of them. But nope that’s not enough to make him happy. Grateful? Hardly.
He’s a perfect example to me of the more we give people, the more they want.Il, ? for you? How do.you rationalize that the healthcare I received would have either been free as a resultnif higher taxes or provided at very low cost in any other developed country and even some developing ones such as Thailand? My coup of health care access would be an everyday no big deal occurence in ANY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY. You are aware of this most damning and galling fact, no? Rob
Il, ? for you? How do.you rationalize that the healthcare I received would have either been free as a resultnif higher taxes or provided at very low cost in any other developed country and even some developing ones such as Thailand? My coup of health care access would be an everyday no big deal occurence in ANY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY. You are aware of this most damning and galling fact, no? RobBut you got it when you needed it, no big deal, right? Just like in other developed countries? And you got it just like people do in other countries, by the state and federal governments forcing everyone else to pay for it, didn't you? I think your hatred of this country goes deeper than you admit.
gimmethesimplelife
8-9-20, 1:34pm
But you got it when you needed it, no big deal, right? Just like in other developed countries? And you got it just like people do in other countries, by the state and federal governments forcing everyone else to pay for it, didn't you? I think your hatred of this country goes deeper than you admit.Only thanks to Jan Brewer, a former REPUBLICAN Governor of whom I have nothing but kind words and respect for as she allowed Medicaid expansion to take place in Arizona, standing up to the GOP and everything they stand for to do so. Had this happened in Dallas, for example, I would have had no choice but to flee to Mexico as human life is not worth access to health care in Texas without insurance. I just got very lucky here. And yes, I am grateful for my.good fortune. Rob
DH is downstairs having a discussion about politics with the young plumber here to fix a clogged sink. The plumber says he is voting for Trump because he fears losing his rights and doesn't want any socialist Democrats running the country. There ya go.
iris lilies
8-9-20, 3:00pm
Only thanks to Jan Brewer, a former REPUBLICAN Governor of whom I have nothing but kind words and respect for as she allowed Medicaid expansion to take place in Arizona, standing up to the GOP and everything they stand for to do so. Had this happened in Dallas, for example, I would have had no choice but to flee to Mexico as human life is not worth access to health care in Texas without insurance. I just got very lucky here. And yes, I am grateful for my.good fortune. Rob
Or, and keeping this discussion in the realm of options for Rob in not paying one dime towards his own healthcare,* he could
1. Move from Texas to Arizona. Easy Peasy since he often tells us how easy is it is to move to a country that will award him social benefits. Seems like it would be a piece of cake to simply move across a state border.
2. Marry someone who has a job with family health insurance.
3. Marry someone who, regardless of employer health insurance, will pay for Rob’s Health insurance and health care
*These options leave out the straightforward plan of Rob paying for Rob’s health care consumption since that seems to be anathema to him.
He's just such a nasty, mean, angry, hateful person! I feel sorry for him.
iris lilies
8-9-20, 3:03pm
You are aware of this most damning and galling fact, no? Rob
That it is “ damned and galling ?”
um, nope.
Or, and keeping this discussion in the realm of options for Rob in not paying one dime towards his own healthcare,* he could
1. Move from Texas to Arizona. Easy Peasy since he often tells us how easy is it is to move to a country that will award him social benefits. Seems like it would be a piece of cake to simply move across a state border.
2. Marry someone who has a job with family health insurance.
3. Marry someone who, regardless of employer health insurance, will pay for Rob’s Health insurance and health care
*These options leave out the straightforward plan of Rob paying for Rob’s health care consumption.
Regardless of Rob and his health insurance/health care - I've struggle long and hard for medical insurance to the point of having it, but still not being able to afford to go to a doctor. I'm definitely in the National Health Care camp - regardless of what name is assigned to it.
iris lilies
8-9-20, 3:06pm
He's just such a nasty, mean, angry, hateful person! I feel sorry for him.
I think Trump is pretty happy in life and self satisfied. I suppose that doesn’t negate “ nasty, mean, angry, hateful” exactly, but I dont perceive him as being unhappy in these negative connotations.
iris lilies
8-9-20, 3:07pm
Regardless of Rob and his health insurance/health care - I've struggle long and hard for medical insurance to the point of having it, but still not being able to afford to go to a doctor. I'm definitely in the National Health Care camp - regardless of what name is assigned to it.
In your mind, how does it work?
DH is downstairs having a discussion about politics with the young plumber here to fix a clogged sink. The plumber says he is voting for Trump because he fears losing his rights and doesn't want any socialist Democrats running the country. There ya go.
I was just in the process of telling you about my lovely, intelligent cousin's wife who posted a FB meme about the evils of Socialism, and I wanted the exact quote so while looking for it I noticed she had also posted this. It might provide some insight into the mind of the Trumper. I will admit that the biggest challenge Bernie would have had is in drawing the line between "Socialism" and Democratic socialism.
3377
I don’t know, what would be more Trumpian than exploiting cheap labor?
You are right. Remember when trump was asked why he didn't pay his Polish workers overtime..... his comment was "I didn't know they were Polish?" Point taken.
I think Trump is pretty happy in life and self satisfied. I suppose that doesn’t negate “ nasty, mean, angry, hateful” exactly, but I dont perceive him as being unhappy in these negative connotations.
That's the sad part.
In your mind, how does it work?
Check out other countries. I'm not doing a detailed analysis or generating a business plan. On this forum, no matter what I suggest or come up with, it would be torn to shreds by some folks in nasty, condescending manners. No thank you. LOL.
I was just in the process of telling you about my lovely, intelligent cousin's wife who posted a FB meme about the evils of Socialism, and I wanted the exact quote so while looking for it I noticed she had also posted this. It might provide some insight into the mind of the Trumper. I will admit that the biggest challenge Bernie would have had is in drawing the line between "Socialism" and Democratic socialism.
3377
Wow... that is absolutely nuts!
I don’t know, what would be more Trumpian than exploiting cheap labor?
Not paying for it?
iris lilies
8-9-20, 5:03pm
Check out other countries. I'm not doing a detailed analysis or generating a business plan. On this forum, no matter what I suggest or come up with, it would be torn to shreds by some folks in nasty, condescending manners. No thank you. LOL.
I am sad that you and I cannot Solve The Healthcare Crises with a well thought out, mutually agreed upon plan. The world was waiting for our thoughts on this.
hahaha! Just kidding, We have all been down this road so many times there’s nothing new here for banter.m
I am sad that you and I cannot Solve The Healthcare Crises with a well thought out, mutually agreed upon plan. The world was waiting for our thoughts on this.
hahaha! Just kidding, We have all been down this road so many times there’s nothing new here for banter.m
Ahhh... yes. The world will have to suffer the loss of our combined wisdom. LOL.
I am sad that you and I cannot Solve The Healthcare Crises with a well thought out, mutually agreed upon plan. The world was waiting for our thoughts on this.
hahaha! Just kidding, We have all been down this road so many times there’s nothing new here for banter.m
Recently trump put forth an executive order to protect pre-existancing condition coverage while simultaneously his administration went to the Supreme Court to overturn the ACA that protects pre-existing conditions. Because that's the level of stupid ****ery that is trump. His stupid fans are cool with that because they are too stupid to put it all together. And probably also too stupid to realize that if and when the ACA gets overturned it will be trump and his sad team that eff'd them over.
I picture some well timed reveals before the debates, like Trump's tax returns and his imaginary healthcare plan replacement.
I picture some well timed reveals before the debates, like Trump's tax returns and his imaginary healthcare plan replacement.
The strategically timed leaks will no doubt continue through October. In all candor, I have to admit that I have exploited certain provisions of the tax code to minimize my liability when the honorable thing would have been to pay more than required.
The strategically timed leaks will no doubt continue through October. In all candor, I have to admit that I have exploited certain provisions of the tax code to minimize my liability when the honorable thing would have been to pay more than required.
That said, you probably aren't a self-proclaimed billionaire, and you probably paid more then $750. It makes me sick. My tax bill is typically anywhere between 25-35k. The fact that the President has paid nothing in taxes while conferring huge tax benefits to the wealthy and doing virtually nothing for the middle class while somehow hypnotizing them into believing that he is their savior is beyond the pale. There's something wrong with the tax code, or there's something wrong with Trump. Or both
"Only the little people pay taxes." --Leona Helmsley
The strategically timed leaks will no doubt continue through October. In all candor, I have to admit that I have exploited certain provisions of the tax code to minimize my liability when the honorable thing would have been to pay more than required.
No such duty.
"Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of morals is mere cant." Judge Learned Hand
The fact that the President has paid nothing in taxes ...
This fact tells us nothing about the moral/ethical situation, without looking at the details of the return. It is certainly possible that legitimate losses offset any income, without any skullduggery or fraud involved.
I routinely arrange my affairs so that I only pay taxes every few years, essentially by realizing a loss that I then strategically "mine" for losses to offset income.
The simple high level fact that Trump paid no taxes tells me little.
catherine
9-28-20, 11:11am
This fact tells us nothing about the moral/ethical situation, without looking at the details of the return. It is certainly possible that legitimate losses offset any income, without any skullduggery or fraud involved.
I routinely arrange my affairs so that I only pay taxes every few years, essentially by realizing a loss that I then strategically "mine" for losses to offset income.
The simple high level fact that Trump paid no taxes tells me little.
I think I need a better accountant.
I think I need a better accountant.
I do my own taxes. With Turbotax. It's not rocket science. It handles depreciation and foreign tax credits and all sorts of other complicated stuff, and properly manages the eventual reckoning that is required.
I'd love to see what specifics there are in these new tax returns that are questionable. I suspect there may be some....ambitious claims... lurking in there, but that's just because the fellow seems to have an interesting approach to the truth. Surely there are some?
Teacher Terry
9-28-20, 11:55am
That’s a big amount of taxes Catherine. We also pay more than Trump.
catherine
9-28-20, 12:05pm
I do my own taxes. With Turbotax. It's not rocket science. It handles depreciation and foreign tax credits and all sorts of other complicated stuff, and properly manages the eventual reckoning that is required.
I'd love to see what specifics there are in these new tax returns that are questionable. I suspect there may be some....ambitious claims... lurking in there, but that's just because the fellow seems to have an interesting approach to the truth. Surely there are some?
I do mine, too, with TurboTax, and mine definitely isn't rocket science. Basically, I made this much money, so these are my taxes. Even the itemized deductions are gone with the standard deduction being doubled. I was hoping that renting my house to my son would yield some benefits, but not so much.
That said, you probably aren't a self-proclaimed billionaire, and you probably paid more then $750. It makes me sick. My tax bill is typically anywhere between 25-35k. The fact that the President has paid nothing in taxes while conferring huge tax benefits to the wealthy and doing virtually nothing for the middle class while somehow hypnotizing them into believing that he is their savior is beyond the pale. There's something wrong with the tax code, or there's something wrong with Trump. Or both
"Only the little people pay taxes." --Leona Helmsley
The fact that sometimes you and I booked a better year than Trump doesn’t really prove illegality or even bad ethics.
What would seem to be illegal and unethical to me is peddling stolen documents and violating an individual’s privacy in the hope of causing political damage.
Jane v2.0
9-28-20, 12:20pm
I think of the presidency as more of a figure head position with the real power belonging to the Congress. I'll vote a straight Republican ticket in hopes of achieving a Republican majority in both houses. I think it's more important than ever to do that at this point in history because it appears the far left is taking over the Democratic Party and I think that's a bad thing. ....
The idea that the Democratic party is some bastion of left-wing philosophy is just laughable to me. There are a few lone voices arguing for a more citizen-centered system, but in the main I see it as Republican-lite--at least in the way Republicans used to be. I would be thrilled with a much more progressive direction for this country, and I hope it evolves that way, but I doubt I'll be around to see it. Joe Biden seems to be a decent man, and probably competent, but he's certainly no reformer.
Joe Biden seems to be a decent man, and probably competent, but he's certainly no reformer.Do you think Biden would complete a full term in office?
Do you think Biden would complete a full term in office?
I don't see why not, though I am frankly tired of ancient leadership.
You would think Trump would be dead by now, given his habits and choleric temperament. But no...
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I don't see why not, though I am frankly tired of ancient leadership.
You'd think we could find people below retirement age who are interested in the positions and qualified.
Well we could, but somehow none of them made the cut.
Mayor Pete was interested. How qualified? Not sure, but more than the current guy.
Mayor Pete was interested. How qualified? Not sure, but more than the current guy.-
Yeah, that's the thing--a baboon would be more qualified, more honest, and more willing to do what's necessary than what we ended up with.
I was impressed with nearly all the Democratic candidates. Though Sanders and Warren are a bit long in the tooth, they both seem to have boundless energy and good ideas. Mayor Pete, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker--I hope they all end up in the cabinet. Fingers crossed.
Whatever news media I've seen or heard seemed a little over exuberant over Trump's tax returns. I assume until hearing otherwise that he did nothing illegal, though there are some billionaires that have chosen to share their fortune rather than build lavish resorts. My prediction is that if Biden is elected he will use Trumps tax returns as some leverage to change the tax laws. I think it would be safe to assume Biden will have some angle on taxing the wealthy or higher incomes.
dado potato
9-28-20, 9:20pm
I have been mulling over the question bae originally posted to start this thread. I understand that bae is a resident of Washington State, which has 12 electoral votes, legally bound to vote for the presidential candidate that wins the popular vote in the state.
So, in terms of influencing the outcome of the election, it might be worthwhile to inquire what the polls of likely voters are saying. I believe polls in Washington State suggest Biden leads Trump by 22 to 34 points. Biden's lead fluctuates, but I am not aware of a published poll which has Trump leading Biden in Washington State.
There may be reasons other than influencing the outcome, such as casting a vote contrary to the vote of one Democrat. Or there may be symbolic value is casting a vote for the probable defeated candidate, based on a similarity of beliefs and values with that likely unsuccessful candidate.
My old dad used to say, "Don't vote, it only encourages them." But I like to believe there is an intangible pleasure in casting a ballot and trusting that it will be counted. Maybe it is a sense of civic participation. "When the time came, I stood up to be counted. And by implication, don't tread on me, because next time around I am likely to stand up and be counted again."
ApatheticNoMore
9-28-20, 9:38pm
those still seem like reasons to vote for a 3rd party, and still not Trump :). In CA Biden's polling is twice Trumps, for every one Trump voter there are 2 Biden voters according to polls, so never never was in play but that's just an astounding margin. CA :+1:
I think people who are purely capitalists (as opposed to any other ideology) would vote for Trump. If money is the most important thing ... not saying Trump is a good businessman but perhaps they hope his policies would be kind to capitalists.
whisperingpines
9-29-20, 8:17am
Whatever news media I've seen or heard seemed a little over exuberant over Trump's tax returns. I assume until hearing otherwise that he did nothing illegal, though there are some billionaires that have chosen to share their fortune rather than build lavish resorts. My prediction is that if Biden is elected he will use Trumps tax returns as some leverage to change the tax laws. I think it would be safe to assume Biden will have some angle on taxing the wealthy or higher incomes.
Just in case you care about accuracy and the truth , here’s what the article actually said:
The New York Times story about Donald trumps taxes.
The story says that Donald trump paid 1 million tax in 2016 and 4.2 million in 2017. The story said that he paid an additional $750 in 2016 not that it was the whole tax amount. People don’t research stories they just repeat what ever they hear or read. The New York Times own story says he paid taxes.
Now let’s see the career politicians taxes who came into government
“service “ as members of the middle class, and are now multimillionaires
Just in case you care about accuracy and the truth , here’s what the article actually said:
The New York Times story about Donald trumps taxes.
The story says that Donald trump paid 1 million tax in 2016 and 4.2 million in 2017. The story said that he paid an additional $750 in 2016 not that it was the whole tax amount. People don’t research stories they just repeat what ever they hear or read. The New York Times own story says he paid taxes.
Now let’s see the career politicians taxes who came into government
“service “ as members of the middle class, and are now multimillionaires
If that’s the case, a lot of major news sources are getting it wrong.
ApatheticNoMore
9-29-20, 11:47am
It gets more complex, the New York times story itself says he paid taxes those years but didn't OWE almost anything in taxes those years, he paid with an extension to file, and then when he filed he owed almost none of it but let them keep the payment for future potential taxes.
It is strange behavior, though frankly I've overpaid the IRS more than this comparatively as a % of income (not out of generosity, out of sheer utter confusion with the tax code and not being able to find a non-confused accountant), but I guess chump change for Trump, and he may still owe the IRS much more than this anyway due to an old refund in audit, and then it would be just a payment toward that perhaps, although still strange (paying for the years one actually owes makes sense, not this).
I don't think almost anyone is basing their decision to vote or not vote on Trump based on his tax returns, and many of us were disappointed, what no findings of mob ties etc., oh well one could have hoped for a smoking gun, but there are limits to what a tax return can show. The debt was also the story in addition to the taxes of course. So it's not going to be everyone's thing to make detailed spreadsheets of what Trump did or did not pay in taxes (the NYT could), especially when ultimately nothing depends on it, as we already have much more relevant information when voting: how he does the job of president.
frugal-one
9-29-20, 3:50pm
If that’s the case, a lot of major news sources are getting it wrong.
If so, you know trump will sue....
I am pretty sure there are still some Republicans left on this forum.
The elections are coming up, as we all know.
Why should I consider voting for Trump? I off course hear the unending stream of why I shouldn’t, but what are the positive reasons why I should?
I will re-ask my question from 4 years ago.
I will re-ask my question from 4 years ago.
THe two reasons I can deduce from the people here are 1. to "own the libs" and second "because if I don't agree with the policy plans of either candidate it matters jack chit which candidate I vote for."
I might have to come back to this, but I think Trump and the media have amplified people's basic emotions of fear, distrust, and greed in order to gain their vote. It takes many forms after that.
gimmethesimplelife
10-24-24, 9:52am
Why should you vote for Trump? It's the first time I'm aware of in US history that Authoritarian Dictatorship has been on the menu, with a candidate threatening to sic the US military upon peaceful protestors and to imprison his opponents. Oh wait, that's a reason NOT to vote for him.
I do believe a Trump victory will end or severely reduce the US Constitution. Smart folks will travel light and work on ending their affiliation with what the US truly is/has become. So there's that - a Trump victory will get some folks into better countries. Beyond that, I beieve this country is destined to split up - a Trump victory will hasten this inevitability - so there's that too. A Trump win means some Americans successfully bailing for much better - and this country breaking up faster - with or without Civil War remains to be seen.
So yes, even I can find some good in a Trump victory. Rob
I can't think of any positive reasons you should vote for Trump.
Because we've been there and done that.
frugal-one
10-24-24, 5:22pm
Because we've been there and done that.
Good reason NOT ever to vote for him again!
iris lilies
10-25-24, 10:43am
This thread is 14 pages! So many reasons to vote for Trump!
/sarcasm
catherine
10-25-24, 3:51pm
I am getting a feeling that Trump will be re-elected. I don't know why. Just a gut feeling. I am afraid that nothing is going to touch Teflon Don. Nothing. I saw they pulled another woman Donald groped out of the shadows, but who cares at this point. People haven't batted an eye at his ramblings, his wordless swaying at his town hall meeting.
Ezra Klein, one of my favorite columnists had a great article in the NYT this week, saying that the reason Trump didn't go off the rails completely was because of incredible efforts of his staff and aides who worked tirelessly to keep his more extreme ideas and policies in check. If he gets re-elected, we can expect more of the same, except for the scary fact that the people who will accompany him to the White House this time will be a bunch of his a$$-kissers and extreme right-wing fundamentalists.
I'm sorry that the Democratic Party hasn't stepped up in a way that should have made defeating Trump an easy win. The state of the world these days have a significant number of people craving something they can be sure of. They don't really want to go forward into more of the unknown.
frugal-one
10-25-24, 3:56pm
I am literally praying you are wrong Catherine:sick:
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