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rosarugosa
3-29-21, 7:54pm
Would this kill off people who are undergoing chemo or otherwise have severely compromised immune systems, or does the fact that there is no live but weakened virus in some of the vaccines prevent that?
It would be especially good for them.
ApatheticNoMore
3-29-21, 8:01pm
I agree. Per Wikepedia these are the only countries in the world that don't have mandatory paid vacation time.
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Nauru
Palau
Tonga
United States
That's it.
It would be especially good for them.
Reduced stress levels do seem to help immune system response.
Reduced stress levels do seem to help immune system response.
And stress level. One of my official goals for work every year is that I have to take at least two weeks of my vacation time and not check email. I love my boss.
Now the CDC has decided people with substance abuse disorder can jump to the front of the line. So if addicts missed out earlier because they are not currently incarcerated they are in luck now. Yippee skippy!
happystuff
3-30-21, 10:23am
Previous years my vacation time was always allocated to stuff with/for the kids. With the closing last year of a long-time culture camp, I finally have some time that I hope to take for myself. Maybe a couple of long weekends camping - no place crowded for now. It's actually fun to think about now that I actually do have the time!
Now the CDC has decided people with substance abuse disorder can jump to the front of the line. So if addicts missed out earlier because they are not currently incarcerated they are in luck now. Yippee skippy!
Would you rather substance abusers were shedding virus all over the place? Vaccinations are proceeding at a dizzying pace. Who really cares who's getting them, as long as most people are?
happystuff
3-30-21, 11:18am
Would you rather substance abusers were shedding virus all over the place? Vaccinations are proceeding at a dizzying pace. Who really cares who's getting them, as long as most people are?
Not surprising, but this is Yppej's post from the Selfish thread:
Anthrax can lie dormant for 48 years. Covid could be the same but at some point life has to return to normal or we will all die prematurely from the stress of living in a constant state of fear and anxiety whipped up by the media and certain public health "experts" like Walensky who refuse to acknowledge data out of Israel and increasingly the US that once you're vaccinated if you don't get the virus (95% chance) you don't secretly get it and transmit it to people at the same time. Dr. Jha pretty much admitted the non-transmissibility this past weekend but said we are not 100% sure so the vaccinated must still wear masks. Well nothing in life is 100% sure. Go with the preponderance of the scientific evidence.
How this impacts me is next week I can sign up for the vaccine in my state but I am not going to because I will have a deductible for the administration fee. I will wait until I can get the vaccine free at work. If I could be freed of masks and other restrictions it would be worth it, but it is not. Since I am healthy, under 60, female and white I am not worried about covid and have zero incentive to pay for a vaccine if my life continues to be curtailed.
I now know quite a few people my age or older who have tested positive with mild to no symptoms. All the dire warnings by Walensky do not scare me because we are not seeing hospitals max out or anything. With the older sicker people vaccinated covid is now more like a flu.
The self-concern over others is apparent.
This: "we will all die prematurely from the stress of living in a constant state of fear and anxiety" - is a consistent theme for you, yppej.
I don't think "we" are all in a "constant state of fear and anxiety", but it sounds like some folks (i.e. you) are. Again, why I will continue to wish you some peace in your life.
ApatheticNoMore
3-30-21, 12:26pm
Would you rather substance abusers were shedding virus all over the place? Vaccinations are proceeding at a dizzying pace. Who really cares who's getting them, as long as most people are?
truthfully I suspect this is how public health authorities see it too, I suspect they care far less about the perfect fairness of the categories than yeppej, pragmatism versus moralism, the point of having categories is there is not enough vaccine for all to show up at once quite yet, that's really all.
The self-concern over others is apparent.
This: "we will all die prematurely from the stress of living in a constant state of fear and anxiety" - is a consistent theme for you, yppej.
I don't think "we" are all in a "constant state of fear and anxiety", but it sounds like some folks (i.e. you) are.
well I think it has taken a mental health toll on many, added to whatever other challenges, mental health tendencies or preexisting conditions, people may already have. But what yeppej doesn't get is regardless of what authorities do or do not do (lockdowns etc.), there is still a bad virus out there that is going to be affecting people's mental health, affecting the economy, that people are going to try to avoid etc.. If we could have been New Zealand it would have been best for people's mental health etc., a couple months of hard lockdown and normalcy and it wouldn't have taken such a toll on mental health or the economy. But it wasn't in the cards, they weren't going to shut down air travel into the U.S., travel within the country, provide people money to make it through the time etc..
happystuff
3-30-21, 12:33pm
truthfully I suspect this is how public health authorities see it too, I suspect they care far less about the perfect fairness of the categories than yeppej, pragmatism versus moralism, the point of having categories is there is not enough vaccine for all to show up at once quite yet, that's really all.
well I think it has taken a mental health toll on many, added to whatever other challenges, mental health tendencies or preexisting conditions, people may already have. But what yeppej doesn't get is regardless of what authorities do or do not do (lockdowns etc.), there is still a bad virus out there that is going to be affecting people's mental health, affecting the economy, that people are going to try to avoid etc.. If we could have been New Zealand it would have been best for people's mental health etc., a couple months of hard lockdown and normalcy and it wouldn't have taken such a toll. But it wasn't in the cards, they weren't going to shut down air travel, travel within the country, provide people money to make it through the time etc..
I agree that it has taken a mental health toll on many. I also think playing the "if" game or "shoulda, coulda, woulda" is all well and fine for conversations, but you said it - there is STILL a bad virus out there that is killing people, making people sick, and effecting pretty much everything. And every individual has a CHOICE as to how they will respond to these things - some do well, others do not.
Edited to add: Admittedly a bit more sensitive to "pooh-poohing" the virus right now as just found out two of my nieces have COVID in their households (all adults positive and having symptoms). 2 year old in one and 10 day old in the other!!!! Besides being sick themselves, these young parents are just consumed with concern for their kids. Sigh...
Yppej, we lived in an area with really, really low incidence of Covid when we lived in Michigan. Every time they had an outbreak, it was at a bar, so I think vaccinating heavy drinkers will probably benefit everyone. Same thing with other places where people are jammed together and cannot socially distance--nursing homes and prisons, for example. So maybe if you think of that angle, you will feel a little better. It sucks that these vaccines are so hard to get, I agree with you there, it is real frustrating to want to get it, to be eligible, and then to have the state move a new group of people ahead of us in line. That has happened here in Maine, too. We just don't have enough vaccines sent our way, for some reason.
I agree that it has taken a mental health toll on many. I also think playing the "if" game or "shoulda, coulda, woulda" is all well and fine for conversations, but you said it - there is STILL a bad virus out there that is killing people, making people sick, and effecting pretty much everything. And every individual has a CHOICE as to how they will respond to these things - some do well, others do not.
Edited to add: Admittedly a bit more sensitive to "pooh-poohing" the virus right now as just found out two of my nieces have COVID in their households (all adults positive and having symptoms). 2 year old in one and 10 day old in the other!!!! Besides being sick themselves, these young parents are just consumed with concern for their kids. Sigh...
So sorry to hear about your nieces and hope they get better soon, and the children do not get it! I honestly have not heard anybody minimizing the virus lately--I know my granddaughter's teacher got it, for example, and it was very recently! I wish the teachers here had been vaccinated right along with the nursing home residents and staff. We just do not have enough vaccines here.
Amended to add that my mom's nursing home shut down again to visits last week because a staff member tested positive, and she had been fully vaccinated with two doses.
happystuff
3-30-21, 12:48pm
So sorry to hear about your nieces and hope they get better soon, and the children do not get it! I honestly have not heard anybody minimizing the virus lately--I know my granddaughter's teacher got it, for example, and it was very recently! I wish the teachers here had been vaccinated right along with the nursing home residents and staff. We just do not have enough vaccines here.
Amended to add that my mom's nursing home shut down again to visits last week because a staff member tested positive, and she had been fully vaccinated with two doses.
I will admit that "pooh-poohing" is probably not the best choice of words, but that's all I got right now.
I hope people are not doing that where you live; it doesn't help, that's for sure.
So sorry to hear about your nieces and hope they get better soon, and the children do not get it! I honestly have not heard anybody minimizing the virus lately--I know my granddaughter's teacher got it, for example, and it was very recently! I wish the teachers here had been vaccinated right along with the nursing home residents and staff. We just do not have enough vaccines here.
Amended to add that my mom's nursing home shut down again to visits last week because a staff member tested positive, and she had been fully vaccinated with two doses.
Yes. Vaccination may not prevent contracting Covid. Data shows people get mild or asymptomatic cases. Hence, we're advised to continue precautions unless present ONLY with others fully vaccinated.
Would you rather substance abusers were shedding virus all over the place? Vaccinations are proceeding at a dizzying pace. Who really cares who's getting them, as long as most people are?
People do care if they can get a vaccine or not. We are getting mixed messages from our government.
Message #1 Government officials are important and valuable and to ensure continuity of government are vaccinated ahead of ordinary citizens. Therefore if you get a vaccine you are more valuable than others.
Message #2 It should all be based on risk factors, so prisoners, drug addicts, etc can go to the front of the line because it's not about your value as a human being.
I have heard numerous people complain that the government obviously values criminals and addicts over them because they get to be vaccinated first. Given message #1 this is not an irrational assumption. Some people also feel that they are entitled to the vaccine ahead of those who are in higher risk groups because they have practiced healthy habits. So for instance you will have someone lie or be prepared to lie and say, "I smoke" to get the vaccine. But of course the problem with that is you are also depriving deserving people like the elderly from vaccines they are entitled to by jumping the line.
ETA: I have to give Trump credit here. He could have gotten a vaccine but said since he already had had covid he had immunity and would wait for his shot until others with a greater need for the vaccine got theirs.
happystuff
3-30-21, 1:40pm
ETA: I have to give Trump credit here. He could have gotten a vaccine but said since he already had had covid he had immunity and would wait for his shot until others with a greater need for the vaccine got theirs.
Really? He supposedly got COVID in October. In October, how long did they think the antibodies provided immunity - A couple weeks, wasn't it? He got his vaccine in January. He got his and you're still waiting for yours, but go ahead and give him "credit".
ApatheticNoMore
3-30-21, 1:48pm
Remember it is quite likely Trump only survived BECAUSE he had treatment that was not available to everyone else. The rest of us would have a hard time even being admitted to the hospital, and we would not likely have gotten everything in the book thrown at us, including monoclonal antibodies to save our lives. This was a rare treatment. Did Trump go: "oh no antibodies for me until they are available for all?" Of course not, no President would, but obviously not the world's biggest narcissist. And then Trump had the nerve to tell us that covid was no big deal as he survived it. >8)
But anyway imagine thinking who is prioritized for the vaccine is about one's worth as a human being. LOL, as if anyone was that well equipt to judge that to begin with, but as if that has anything to do with anything.
When I became pregnant with my first back in 1995, I found out i didn't have the measles titer. Not sure why; perhaps as an adult I missed a booster? At any rate, I couldn't get vaccinated while pregnant, so I had to be very, very careful about being around folks who were sick with measles (can cause birth defects to fetuses). I had to rely on "herd immunity." IIFC, I received the vaccine before I left the hospital after DS was born.
I received my first Pfizer March 19 and will get #2 on April 12.
Teacher Terry
3-30-21, 5:58pm
Happy, I really hope your family members especially the kids do okay. It’s definitely scary. Trump thinks of no one but himself. He would probably trample his own children to get the vaccine. The rest of us may have died like my good friend. He definitely got the best treatment unfortunately. It was wasted on a evil shell of a human being.
Anyone 50+ can get vaccinated in California starting Thursday. My county’s health department announced that they will open up appointments for us at noon tomorrow. Hopefully I can score one for sometime on Thursday or Friday as soon as they do.
happystuff
3-31-21, 11:23am
Thanks, TT. Haven't heard from the one niece - I'm thinking they are just too sick to respond, which is fine. The other says they are recovering, but she has no smell or taste at this point. Hopefully those will return. 2 year is okay; again, have not heard from the new mother of the 10 day old baby yet.
Various providers have already started making 50+ appointments for tomorrow onward. I managed to get one for Sunday in Stockton. Hopefully when the Marin health department opens them up at noon I can get something sooner or at least closer to home. (Stockton is about a two hour drive each way for me).
Our vacc site moved up to 450 today with 7 vaccinators. Friday? The pharmacy Director and Nurse Manager decided we can do 800 in 9 hours, with 14 vaccinators on Friday.
Bring it on! Our younger population are thrilled to be eligible already. All of my patients this morning are under 40:)
Just got jabbed! Pfizer. Sitting for observation. Second jab is the 20th.
iris lilies
3-31-21, 4:41pm
Just got jabbed! Pfizer. Sitting for observation. Second jab is the 20th.
I hope your Pfizer recoveries are as uneventful as mine were.
And now J&J has to toss out 15 million doses that a partner manufactured because of quality control issues. I guess I’m lucky to have an appointment for either Pfizer or moderna (not sure which) Sunday.
Well, glad you were able to get an appt.
..."reaching a herd-immunity threshold was looking unlikely because of factors such as vaccine hesitancy, the emergence of new variants and the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children."
Dado, your outlook is likely the reality. My state also has a significant % of older citizens who refuse. It is unfortunate that 45 didn't go public and advocate for the vaccine. He led them to believe it was all a hoax and the vaccine irrelevant. I've heard from many of them. So sad.
Full article: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
iris lilies
3-31-21, 9:11pm
..."reaching a herd-immunity threshold was looking unlikely because of factors such as vaccine hesitancy, the emergence of new variants and the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children."
Dado, your outlook is likely the reality. My state also has a significant % of older citizens who refuse. It is unfortunate that 45 didn't go public and advocate for the vaccine. He led them to believe it was all a hoax and the vaccine irrelevant. I've heard from many of them. So sad.
Full article: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
3 out of 10 health care workers refuse the vaccine, or say they are unlikely to get it (see paragraph 6).
Are they being led by Donald Trump as well?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/19/health-workers-covid-vaccine/
3 out of 10 health care workers refuse the vaccine, or say they are unlikely to get it (see paragraph 6).
Are they being led by Donald Trump as well?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/19/health-workers-covid-vaccine/
Very well and highly likely in my state!
3 out of 10 health care workers refuse the vaccine, or say they are unlikely to get it (see paragraph 6).
It is in essence mandatory in my agency if you wish to engage in work involving contact with people and staff. Much like our flu vaccine requirement each year, and all the other mandated vaccinations. You can refuse, of course, but then the scope of work you are allowed to do is greatly reduced...
True. And people who’ve not been vaccinated die every day as well. 1,637 is just over 100 people per week during that time frame. A drop in the bucket compared to the number of people who would be expected to die of some cause considering that 2.8 million people die in the US during an average year. (That’s almost 54,000 per week). So could they have died from the vaccine? Sure. Did they? Probably not but it’s good that the deaths are being investigated.
Well, glad you were able to get an appt.
I'm very grateful. As has been said by a number of doctors/public health experts "the best vaccine you can get is the one you can get in your arm the soonest" or something similar. My appointment is at 5:00 sunday afternoon. I plan to head over there early enough to have time to kill so there's no reason for them to deny me.
I was holding out for the J & J but sounds like they flubbed it up.
3 out of 10 health care workers refuse the vaccine, or say they are unlikely to get it (see paragraph 6).
Are they being led by Donald Trump as well?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/19/health-workers-covid-vaccine/
Trump directed the development of the vaccine at warp speed. He got it himself when his age group was eligible (not beforehand as he already had covid and had natural immunity). On March 17th he told people to get the vaccine. The only other thing I think could be done to encourage his supporters would be to rename it the Trump Vaccine. Do you think Joe Biden would allow this name if it would save lives? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
happystuff
4-1-21, 10:11am
Trump directed the development of the vaccine at warp speed. He got it himself when his age group was eligible (not beforehand as he already had covid and had natural immunity). On March 17th he told people to get the vaccine. The only other thing I think could be done to encourage his supporters would be to rename it the Trump Vaccine. Do you think Joe Biden would allow this name if it would save lives? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
I would take a "Trump Vaccine" if it would truly get rid of Trump once and for all!!! ROFLOL.
Teacher Terry
4-1-21, 10:42am
Trump could have done much more to encourage his followers to get the vaccine. The only good thing that came out of this whole debacle is that he is out before he could do more damage to our country. No other president has been a enemy and traitor to our country. I am still hoping he is charged and convicted of his crimes. Don’t bother to ask what crimes because if you don’t know then there’s no point in discussing.
I had my booster dose the other day and am starting to think of post vaccine life. I’ve been in declutter mode and scanning my kitchen counter top I noticed the hand sanitizing gel. I could not think of any reason to keep those bottles around, and couldn’t come up with an alternate use. So is it good bye sanitizers gels or have I forgotten something?
early morning
4-1-21, 11:47am
I had hand sanitizer way before Covid - usually in my bag in the car - and have no plans to get rid of my supply. Along with rags, it was really handy to have. There are plenty of places we go that don't have access to soap/water for "decontamination" purposes, and I'm a hopelessly tactile person. I can't resist petting a critter, or picking up rocks, shells, leaves, odd objects and such. Not to mention yard sales, flea markets, and places with outdoor privys. And I don't care for wet-wipes, most of them smell worse that what I'm trying to remove. Of course YMMV!
Couldn't you use it to sanitize counter tops/cutting boards etc before washing, if you were prepping raw meats or something?
And I'm getting my second dose of vaccine this afternoon!!
Couldn't you use it to sanitize counter tops/cutting boards etc before washing, if you were prepping raw meats or something?
I've never owned hand sanitizer before and never felt a need. I use dish detergent or hand soap for counters which is both a detergent and sanitizer and don't buy meat. Something to think about. Maybe not a bad idea to keep a bottle around for next cold and flu season?
Was able to book an appointment for tomorrow at the Oakland Colliseum. Getting the J&J vaccine. Won't have to drive all the way to Stockton now.
early morning
4-1-21, 12:21pm
Good you could save the trip, jp1! DH got the J&J with no problems. I wasn't able to get that one. Rogar, hand sanitizer is great when you sneeze/must use tissue in public and can't wash right away.
Trump could have done much more to encourage his followers to get the vaccine. The only good thing that came out of this whole debacle is that he is out before he could do more damage to our country. No other president has been a enemy and traitor to our country. I am still hoping he is charged and convicted of his crimes. Don’t bother to ask what crimes because if you don’t know then there’s no point in discussing.
He admitted he had been vaccinated after Dr. Fauci publicly suggested he should come out and recommend it for others. He downplayed the seriousness of COVID even as he himself was recovering, mocked mask wearers, advocated wacky treatments, played off states against each other, had no coherent national plan--we had the most deadly, incompetent response possible. To give Trump any credit at all is just incredible.
He admitted he had been vaccinated after Dr. Fauci publicly suggested he should come out and recommend it for others. He downplayed the seriousness of COVID even as he himself was recovering, mocked mask wearers, advocated wacky treatments, played off states against each other, had no coherent national plan--we had the most deadly, incompetent response possible. To give Trump any credit at all is just incredible.
A vaccine has never been developed this quickly. Trying to deny Trump any credit will do nothing to increase the number of his followers willing to be vaccinated.
A vaccine has never been developed this quickly. Trying to deny Trump any credit will do nothing to increase the number of his followers willing to be vaccinated.
How many hours did Trump spend in the lab? How much mRNA research did he participate in over the past few decades, technology which allowed the vaccine to be developed, much like a software patch, in *a single day*?
What, precisely, did he do to speed up the vaccine R&D/production/distribution? How does that compare to the efforts of other world leaders?
Yes, he did some things, I'd rate his efforts as "poor", and the successes that occurred were perhaps in spite of his efforts. Accidental at best, and he probably held things back more than he speeded things up.
I'm pretty sure a targeted vaccine was in the pipeline even before he came out with his "Warp Speed" shtick; it may have released some monies to further its development. He only did what he had to do, but--as usual--took full credit.
ApatheticNoMore
4-1-21, 1:10pm
He signed the Cares Act (so would have Biden or Hillary Clinton), which gave operation warp speed 10 billion in government money and then the Trump administration reallocated ANOTHER 8 billion away from public health programs, including PPE, into Operation Warp Speed, and that wasn't congress, that was the Trump admin (but maybe not Trump himself - anyway a good manager allocates, not that I consider Trump a particularly good manager but the bureaucracy that is the Fed gov maybe still works well sometimes when it wants to). So they bet big on a vaccine even at the cost of measures handling the pandemic in the meantime, for better or worse. Put it all on red. An America first approach, which operation warp speed always was and was criticized for being, seems to have netted the U.S. far more vaccines than much of the world, despite the fact the Pfizer one was a partnership with a German company using German government money, and the Johnson and Johnson one wasn't developed in the U.S. either but was funded in part by the U.S. government.
Brazil is an example of government by a right wing strongman that did absolutely nothing right, we were close there and much was done wrong (but much was not just Trump but structural issues of a dysfunctional government, we were never going to give people money to stay home, or fund the states to enable long term lockdowns via Mitch's Senate - there is no alternate Hillary admin in which that happens but short of stopping the virus very early and shutting down to travel, which wasn't going to happen either, that's how you slow the virus). But the vaccine stuff did pay off bigly.
I'm pretty sure a targeted vaccine was in the pipeline even before he came out with his "Warp Speed" shtick; it may have released some monies to further its development. He only did what he had to do, but--as usual--took full credit.
8 billion
It worked including aggressively procuring vaccines, still rather have the Biden admin (rather than Trump) managing the rollout, and what do you know we do.
Trump directed the development of the vaccine at warp speed. He got it himself when his age group was eligible (not beforehand as he already had covid and had natural immunity). On March 17th he told people to get the vaccine. The only other thing I think could be done to encourage his supporters would be to rename it the Trump Vaccine. Do you think Joe Biden would allow this name if it would save lives? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
Too little too late. trump's legacy will be the number of people he killed with his lunacy of not listening to science or wearing a mask.
Trump could have done much more to encourage his followers to get the vaccine. The only good thing that came out of this whole debacle is that he is out before he could do more damage to our country. No other president has been a enemy and traitor to our country. I am still hoping he is charged and convicted of his crimes. Don’t bother to ask what crimes because if you don’t know then there’s no point in discussing.
Ditto!
Too little too late. trump's legacy will be the number of people he killed with his lunacy of not listening to science or wearing a mask.
Not to mention the insurrection he fomented that killed and wounded many.
I've never owned hand sanitizer before and never felt a need. I use dish detergent or hand soap for counters which is both a detergent and sanitizer and don't buy meat. Something to think about. Maybe not a bad idea to keep a bottle around for next cold and flu season?
I'll be it would be good for removing ink stains from clothing, since it has such a high alcohol content.
I don't bother with hand sanitizer in the house, I use boring old soap+water.
I don't bother with hand sanitizer in the house, I use boring old soap+water.
Ditto. I keep a small container in my car. I use it after opening my door before stepping in.
I don't bother with hand sanitizer in the house, I use boring old soap+water.
Me too. If I'm out and about walking places I'll carry a portable sized sanitizer with me, and I keep a bottle in the door pocket of the car to use when I get back in after being somewhere.
iris lilies
4-1-21, 9:17pm
Me too. If I'm out and about walking places I'll carry a portable sized sanitizer with me, and I keep a bottle in the door pocket of the car to use when I get back in after being somewhere.
Yes, we have hand sanitizers in the cars dor when we are out and about, but when we hit the front door we wash hands with soap and water.
Reminds me of something that will be nice with our finished Hermann house – when we hit the front door we will have two bathrooms on the same floor, the main floor, that we both run to separately! It is common for us to get back from an outing and we both have to use the bathroom so someone is always having to run upstairs.
I have hand sanitizer in the car too and have used it after being anywhere in a public place, like shopping. Once a person is fully protected after the second shot, I'm not seeing any need for that.
I have hand sanitizer in the car too and have used it after being anywhere in a public place, like shopping. Once a person is fully protected after the second shot, I'm not seeing any need for that.
Well, setting aside Covid, frequent and proper handwashing really helps prevent all sorts of other Unpleasant Things. Colds, flus, melted ice cream on pants, that sort of stuff.
GeorgeParker
4-2-21, 8:29am
Two Relevant MarketWatch Articles:
‘It’s not just about what’s on that card’: Don’t post your COVID-19 vaccination card on social media — here’s why
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-not-just-about-whats-on-that-card-dont-post-your-covid-19-vaccination-card-on-social-media-heres-why-11617284498
Don’t laminate your COVID vaccination card before doing these 5 things
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dont-laminate-your-covid-vaccination-card-before-doing-these-5-things-11617134471?mod=mw_more_headlines
Why would anyone post such info anyway? It is totally nuts to do this.
Why would anyone post such info anyway? It is totally nuts to do this.
I agree! But some of my friends have done it. I wonder if someday we, or our children, or our grandchildren, are going to regret the vast exhibition of the details of our lives spread out on social media.
Just a thought.... has the amount of sharing increased due to the isolation caused by covid?
Just a thought.... has the amount of sharing increased due to the isolation caused by covid?
I don't think so. FB, Insta, Twitter have been rampant sharing for quite a few years already.
Another data gathering many don't think about? All those "quizzes" available via social media. I suspect somebody out there is collating it all. Not that I care if someone knows my favorite color is purple. But why give out 1000s of itty bitty details over a few years?
GeorgeParker
4-2-21, 9:23am
Why would anyone post such info anyway? It is totally nuts to do this.We're talking about people who use FaceBook, or other equally bad social media. They are nuts as far as sharing all kinds of personal information with their "friends" and not realizing the whole world may be reading it.
iris lilies
4-2-21, 9:50am
Well now that you post an article about it, am annoyed that this vaccination card doesn't fit neatly into my card holder in my wallet. So now it is all folded up and will be gross soon.
Iris, My husband said the same thing about his card! We got our second shot yesterday, faster and more efficient than last time and so far nothing bad- sore arms. The nurse who gave me my shot said try to "go with" the reaction if possible so your body makes all the antibodies it can. Easy for me with no major reaction, but I would think true pain would require something...
Some where I read that Office Depot and Staples are laminating the vaccination cards for free. Can probably be searched up for those interested. I might do it when I'm out that way for errands.
Why would anyone post such info anyway? It is totally nuts to do this.
Most of my friends have done so. Mostly by holding the card in an awkward manner to cover up almost everything except their name and the cdc logo. I suppose it’s the same thought as with so many activities like eating dinner or having a fancy drink. Did it really happen if there isn’t a picture on Facebook about it?
Teacher Terry
4-2-21, 12:08pm
I have put mine with my passport. I have a picture in my phone. I wouldn’t carry the original around.
Some where I read that Office Depot and Staples are laminating the vaccination cards for free. Can probably be searched up for those interested. I might do it when I'm out that way for errands.
Health officials on the radio were saying to NOT laminate the card. What if you need boosters, etc.? They wouldn’t be able to add those with the card laminated.
Health officials on the radio were saying to NOT laminate the card. What if you need boosters, etc.? They wouldn’t be able to add those with the card laminated.
Good to know! Thanks.
The NYT had an article about the cards, like what to do if it's lost, etc. They recommend taking a photo of it which seems like a good idea. Here are a couple of highlights. Since they don't fit in a wallet, it might be unimportant.
Start by taking a picture of it with your phone, so you’ll have the information in your photo library, and emailing it to yourself as backup, said Dr. Uchenna Ikediobi, an assistant professor of general internal medicine and infectious diseases at Yale University.
Laminating your card will make it more durable if you’re planning to carry it around in your wallet, though there has been some concern about lamination because it would prevent information from future booster shots from being added. But Dr. Ikediobi said that this “may be a moot point if new cards are issued after a booster shot, as would seem likely.”
https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-vaccine-card.html
You would think with all the billions of dollars that the government has spent encouraging electronic medical records that people would not have to worry about carrying around a card and laminating it.
You would think with all the billions of dollars that the government has spent encouraging electronic medical records that people would not have to worry about carrying around a card and laminating it.
Beats being chipped or tatooed:)
I've actually been sort of impressed with how quickly the vaccine was developed and somewhat reasonably distributed to many millions, considering the short time period. My complaints are minor.
Beats being chipped or tatooed:)
I've actually been sort of impressed with how quickly the vaccine was developed and somewhat reasonably distributed to many millions, considering the short time period. My complaints are minor.
If we all had a scarlet letter V on our foreheads then we wouldn't have stupid regulations like vaccinated people have to wear masks and can't go to parties. There are public officials who have been honest enough to admit widespread restrictions remain in place for everyone because they do not trust unvaccinated people to follow them, so the vaccinated must suffer too.
ETA: I have a mark on my arm showing where I got the smallpox vaccine as a child, that I can roll up my sleeve and show to anyone who might doubt that I did. Showing my age here as vaccines no longer leave that circular mark.
I have wondered if when the mask restrictions are finally lifted if those who refused or otherwise chose not to get vaccinated will be at higher risk infection with an increase in cases once the mask protections no longer in place. Already several states have lifted the mask requirements. I doubt they will wait for some sort of herd immunity before others follow.
I suspect the paper cards are a stopgap measure....
I suspect that people whining about the cards know this, and are just enjoying whining.
(God, my card seems to be made from virgin paper, so it's clearly bad for the environment too, better get on that angle!!!)
I suspect people whining about electronic medical records don't understand the issues. I just yesterday completed the merger of a local rural health clinic with our local hospital district, and the medical records transfer/authorization was quite a horrorshow.
I have wondered if when the mask restrictions are finally lifted if those who refused or otherwise chose not to get vaccinated will be at higher risk infection with an increase in cases once the mask protections no longer in place. Already several states have lifted the mask requirements. I doubt they will wait for some sort of herd immunity before others follow.
In a free society people should have the right to refuse to get the vaccine and to bear the consequences - risk of disease, being denied entry places, etc. People who do get vaccinated should not be punished indefinitely because of anti-vaxxers. So I hope you are right and regardless of herd immunity we get our freedom back once everyone who wants a vaccine can get one.
Already I am seeing a real sloughing off of masks at work among both customers and staff. Some have already had covid, some have been vaccinated, and some are just not scared of it.
People who do get vaccinated should not be punished indefinitely because of anti-vaxxers.
That's a false narrative. Nobody is being "punished", much less "punished indefinitely".
Some where I read that Office Depot and Staples are laminating the vaccination cards for free.
As someone who found out that a laminated Social Security card was a game-ender when applying for my Real ID driver's license (necessitating a second trip to -- and wait outside at -- the driver's license office), I am never laminating my vaccine card. I took a picture of both sides with my phone camera, stored that under a password on my phone, and stored the card itself with our passports and other useful papers.
Well now that you post an article about it, am annoyed that this vaccination card doesn't fit neatly into my card holder in my wallet. So now it is all folded up and will be gross soon.
We need to record all that information for you. How do we make the card smaller?
You would think with all the billions of dollars that the government has spent encouraging electronic medical records that people would not have to worry about carrying around a card and laminating it.
Every patient that receives vaccine at my facility will have an electronic record to look it up and/or print it if needed. We still give them a card.
early morning
4-2-21, 4:35pm
I just tape my paper SS card up in a baseball card sleeve. When it gets scratched up, I change it. If I need to use it, I just remove it from the sleeve. Works for me. I have also made sleeves out of clear packing tape. That was pre-phone camera - I like that idea, and have my insurance card stored that way.
iris lilies
4-2-21, 4:51pm
We need to record all that information for you. How do we make the card smaller?
“We?” Did you design the card?
It isnt rocket science. The Covid vaccination card I have is 10.01 cm x 7.6 cm.
My health insurance card is a standard 8.5 cm x 5.4 cm.
When I put my insurance card over the salient information you record and give back to me on the vaccination card, there is room to fit it all onto the standard size card. Typeface for instruction could be much smaller then.
But I’m sure many people would not be able to read smaller type and there would be legions of complaints. There are probably all kinds of government regulations anyway about size of type face.
The impermanent nature of this card doesnt worry me as long as I am not expected to keep it pristine and readable for a long time.
When I travel, I:
- keep photos of all important documents on my phone
- keep photos of them online in the cloud, in case I lose my phone
- keep photocopies of them tucked away in my pack
- carry only the minimum required original documents
I’m not sure why people are feeling the need to carry around on a regular basis, or laminate, those little bits of paper you get at the vaccination center.
I’m not sure why people are feeling the need to carry around on a regular basis, or laminate, those little bits of paper you get at the vaccination center.
It's a perfect scenario for a Dr. Rick commercial. :D
The Oakland coliseum site was super well run. In and out in less than half an hour. Fema is running it and I believe it’s staffed with national guard. The only interesting thing was that the guy behind me brought his boat with him. Apparently it didn’t occur to him that he’d need to loop back and forth a few times...
“We?” Did you design the card?
It isnt rocket science. The Covid vaccination card I have is 10.01 cm x 7.6 cm.
My health insurance card is a standard 8.5 cm x 5.4 cm.
When I put my insurance card over the salient information you record and give back to me on the vaccination card, there is room to fit it all onto the standard size card. Typeface for instruction could be much smaller then.
But I’m sure many people would not be able to read smaller type and there would be legions of complaints. There are probably all kinds of government regulations anyway about size of type face.
The impermanent nature of this card doesnt worry me as long as I am not expected to keep it pristine and readable for a long time.
We-the vaccinators. Required to write in: manufacturer, lot #, location administered and date. I'm well aware you don't care for me, but I thought I would answer anyway in case others here also wonder why I said that.
Honestly, I think you knew this.....but hey.............why not engage right?
If you don't like the card, complain to the CDC. We get it from them.
If you don't like the card, complain to the CDC. We get it from them.
I don't see a lot of the people complaining about these sorts of silly things actually working on the front lines seeing patients with covid, jabbing arms, or working on the logistics.
In a free society people should have the right to refuse to get the vaccine and to bear the consequences - risk of disease, being denied entry places, etc. People who do get vaccinated should not be punished indefinitely because of anti-vaxxers. So I hope you are right and regardless of herd immunity we get our freedom back once everyone who wants a vaccine can get one.
It sort of gets back to the old argument of freedom vs. equity. I don't know if punished is the right word, but those of us who have followed the CDC guidelines somewhat closely have had to endure a prolonged hardship and higher risk of infection caused by not only those who choose not to get the shot, but those who've not followed mask guidelines, or crowd gathering, or distancing.
My state seems to be eying the end of May as a possible end to state mask guidelines and much sooner for low risk counties. I suspect by the end of May most adults will have had a chance to be vaccinated, possibly excepting the Spanish speaking communities with no computer skills or internet. I think the risk of infection will then go up for the un-vaccinated. The risk of the virus mutating to a nasty version might be small, but as long as the infections linger there will be a risk of a more infectious or vaccine resistant variation.
Edit to add, once there are no more mask mandates, I've not seen any valid reason why a vaccinated person such as my self should wear a mask anywhere. I might have to give that more thought.
I don't see a lot of the people complaining about these sorts of silly things actually working on the front lines seeing patients with covid, jabbing arms, or working on the logistics.
Well said, Bae. Be bloody grateful if you have received the vaccine as billions, yes, billions, have not.
I apparently tarried too long thinking I could get the J & J vaccine. Now that it is open to all ages here, I will have a tough time finding a spot even as an older person. DH still refuses to get one so it remains a real sore spot in our dialogue. Every person I know including friends and relatives have gotten at least one shot but he still thinks it is bogus.
Teacher Terry
4-2-21, 8:53pm
PT, I would have a problem with that too. Getting the vaccine for myself was the highest priority with my friend dying. I also procured one for my ex because of living together I was worried he would give me Covid before it totally took effect.
On a lark, I just logged into a nearby mass vac site and got an appt in a week for the J & J vaccine. Yeah!!
Chicken lady
4-2-21, 10:36pm
Rogar - children. They mostly can’t be vaccinated yet, exist in public places, can and do get sick and do die. They are also the reason you should be sure you are up to date on pertussis. I am fully vaccinated. I expect to be teaching in a mask at least in my younger classes in the fall. Because he odds of me getting sick are very low, and the odds of me being contagious are a low portion of that, but my freedom to uncover my face is not worth the life of one kid. So enjoy the bars, but grocery stores, libraries, places indoors that kids visit....please mask up.
GeorgeParker
4-3-21, 12:24am
I got my 2nd Pfizer shot yesterday afternoon. After the first shot I had noticeable but extremely mild side effects that peaked 12-15 hours after the shot. This time the side effects are 3-4 times as strong and again they peaked 12-15 hours after the shot, but they're hanging on longer in a strong enough form to be annoying. Fever (about 1 degree with first shot, 2-3 degrees with second) fatigue/drowsiness (slept 4-5 extra hours after first shot, 7-8 extra hours after second shot. And I fell asleep sitting up in my chair a few hours after the second shot!) stiffness, aches, and tingling (mild and mostly in my arms the first time. Whole body and much stronger this time.) Even so, side effects have been mild compared to what some people experience. And I'm actually glad I'm having side effects, because they're proof that my immune system recognizes the vaccine and is reacting to it.
As someone who found out that a laminated Social Security card was a game-ender when applying for my Real ID driver's license (necessitating a second trip to -- and wait outside at -- the driver's license office), I am never laminating my vaccine card. I took a picture of both sides with my phone camera, stored that under a password on my phone, and stored the card itself with our passports and other useful papers.
I came to the same conclusion after handling hundreds, if not thousands of I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification forms at my former employer, and having to reject laminated SS cards that said "not valid if laminated" on the back.
George, my reaction to the Moderna booster was similar, but possibly more delayed. Started the next day and peaked at maybe 36 hours. I would have called in sick at least one day had I been working. Most of yours, plus dizziness, loss of appetite and a bit of nausea, swollen, itching, and red at the injection site, but not quite Covid arm. General malaise and some muscle/joint soreness. I felt fatigued but had trouble napping or night sleeping. By the fourth day most everything had cleared up. I took a couple of Tylenol and used a cortisone cream on the arm, which helped. No complaints.
I just got my second Pfizer shot on Thursday and no side effects, except for a mildly sore arm. I'm glad, because I came down with a cold fast and furiously on Monday and by Thursday all that was left was a bit of a cough that I fought to suppress at the pharmacy. But all is well. As far as the card itself goes, I have a special pigeonhole in my antique secretary where I keep important papers, so that's where it will live, but I'm taking bae's advice and taking pictures also.
iris lilies
4-3-21, 8:31am
On a lark, I just logged into a nearby mass vac site and got an appt in a week for the J & J vaccine. Yeah!!
Good!
On a lark, I just logged into a nearby mass vac site and got an appt in a week for the J & J vaccine. Yeah!!
Hooray!!
I see Vermont will be prioritizing BIPOC people. The argument being they are at greater risk than their paler neighbors. And there are more brown trout than brown people in the state. I can understand their reasoning, but have to wonder about the optics.
...there are more brown trout than brown people in the state. I can understand their reasoning, but have to wonder about the optics.
True, so it shouldn't take too long to check off that box and move on to less at-risk populations.
We're pretty much through all the groups anyway--I think the optics are moot:
Eligible Now
People 50 years and older
People 16 years and older with high-risk health conditions
Parents and primary caregivers of children with high-risk health conditions
Black, Indigenous and people of color (BIPOC)
English language learners and people in immigrant/refugee communities
Health care personnel and residents of long-term care facilities
Public safety system workers
School staff and child care workers
Registration opens at 8:15 a.m. on April 5
People 40 years and older
Registration opens at 8:15 a.m. on April 12
People 30 years and older
Registration opens at 8:15 a.m. on April 19
People 16 years and older
My kids here just got their first shots early--they got a call from the state that said they expected such a rush on Wednesday when they open up for 30 and up, did they want to come this morning, so they drove an hour and a half to the state capitol.
So happy for them!
We got our second Pfizers yesterday so am really happy for us, too! Hopefully, soon we can get together with the other grandparents at their house for dinner.
happystuff
4-3-21, 12:11pm
Rogar - children. They mostly can’t be vaccinated yet, exist in public places, can and do get sick and do die. They are also the reason you should be sure you are up to date on pertussis. I am fully vaccinated. I expect to be teaching in a mask at least in my younger classes in the fall. Because he odds of me getting sick are very low, and the odds of me being contagious are a low portion of that, but my freedom to uncover my face is not worth the life of one kid. So enjoy the bars, but grocery stores, libraries, places indoors that kids visit....please mask up.
I agree and thank you!
happystuff
4-3-21, 12:15pm
If we all had a scarlet letter V on our foreheads then we wouldn't have stupid regulations like vaccinated people have to wear masks and can't go to parties. There are public officials who have been honest enough to admit widespread restrictions remain in place for everyone because they do not trust unvaccinated people to follow them, so the vaccinated must suffer too.
ETA: I have a mark on my arm showing where I got the smallpox vaccine as a child, that I can roll up my sleeve and show to anyone who might doubt that I did. Showing my age here as vaccines no longer leave that circular mark.
Actually I think the scarlet letters NV would be more revealing and more informative to the general public - who to avoid, again for their own sake as well as others.
A friend is going to embroider "vaccinated" on her mask. She wants to wear it to prevent as many colds and other respiratory diseases due to health condition.
I apparently tarried too long thinking I could get the J & J vaccine. Now that it is open to all ages here, I will have a tough time finding a spot even as an older person. DH still refuses to get one so it remains a real sore spot in our dialogue. Every person I know including friends and relatives have gotten at least one shot but he still thinks it is bogus.
Why? Because of trump? If so, trump made sure he got vaccinated. That should tell him something.
I saw on the news that the CDC may finally be getting ready to admit that vaccinated people are not a risk to others. Hopefully the stupid mask mandates will go away. It's pretty simple -
If you are vaccinated, no need.
If you don't want a vaccine go around others at your own risk.
If you want a vaccine but haven't been able to get one yet stay 6 feet away from other adults and 3 feet away from children.
I saw on the news that the CDC may finally be getting ready to admit that vaccinated people are not a risk to others. Hopefully the stupid mask mandates will go away. It's pretty simple -
If you are vaccinated, no need.
If you don't want a vaccine go around others at your own risk.
If you want a vaccine but haven't been able to get one yet stay 6 feet away from other adults and 3 feet away from children.
ROFLOL.
Just take your mask off already, stop complaining, and accept the consequences of your actions - be that getting yourself sick or making someone else sick, or - if you and those you come in contact with get lucky - everyone LIVING happily ever after.
Now there are variants of the virus. Isn't that one of the reasons masks are still needed even if you are vaccinated?
Here is a story on this:
https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/
It turns out the government's reluctance to admit vaccines work well enough that the vaccinated can dump the masks is leading to ... people distrusting vaccines and their efficacy, and not wanting to get vaccinated.
I told you so, months ago.
By the time my area removes the mask mandates I think we will know more about any variants or how much of a risk vaccinated adults are. Mean time it's mask less only for small groups of vaccinated adults and no large groups.
I had a discussion with a friend about re-entry issues once the science gives more liberal restrictions. I've usually avoided crowds as much as possible anyway, but when and if the day comes when good practice or mandates are relaxed it's just going to seem apprehensive or uncomfortable resuming some of the pre-pandemic social settings, with or probably without masks. It's like the world has shrunk over the last year, some of it good and some bad. I'm sure we'll adjust to what ever.
iris lilies
4-3-21, 9:28pm
By the time my area removes the mask mandates I think we will know more about any variants or how much of a risk vaccinated adults are. Mean time it's mask less only for small groups of vaccinated adults and no large groups.
I had a discussion with a friend about re-entry issues once the science gives more liberal restrictions. I've usually avoided crowds as much as possible anyway, but when and if the day comes when good practice or mandates are relaxed it's just going to seem apprehensive or uncomfortable resuming some of the pre-pandemic social settings, with or probably without masks. It's like the world has shrunk over the last year, some of it good and some bad. I'm sure we'll adjust to what ever.
I know, I’m trying to think of instances when I go to indoor events where there large numbers of people. The dumb “home shows” Are the only ones I can think of a twice a year, and we have flower shows there.I’m not keen on doing that, mask mandate or not.
Well now that I think about it we do have flower shows, but with so many participants elderly, and one of our main venues is a nursing home, I doubt we will have those for quite some time.
We do go out to dinner in restaurants. I think we won’t be doing that for quite a while.
besides, nice weather is approaching and we can eat outdoors with friends. We don’t go to sporting events, music concerts, and I have no need now to go to movie theaters.
although I’m retired and could always go to one of the movie theaters in the middle of the day when there’s hardly anyone in attendance. But as of today, I’m not interested in taking that risk.
I don't see a lot of the people complaining about these sorts of silly things actually working on the front lines seeing patients with covid, jabbing arms, or working on the logistics.
Yes. But bitch about our work, they will!
... I have no need now to go to movie theaters.
although I’m retired and could always go to one of the movie theaters in the middle of the day when there’s hardly anyone in attendance. But as of today, I’m not interested in taking that risk.
If you lived near me you could go to a drive-in movie theatre. I went to my first movie in over a year last week--my daughter invited us to Godzilla vs. Kong at our local drive-in. She and her husband sat in one car and DH and I sat in another. It brought me back to when my mother and father packed us four kids in the back of the Rambler station wagon with our pillows and blankets so they could watch Ben Hur.
I am a quilter and enjoy going to large quilt shows with international entries. Usually involves 30,000+ mostly adult or elderly women (a few men) shopping at huge numbers of vendors, elbow to elbow viewing of quilt exhibits, eating at crowded restaurants and sleeping 2+ to a room. I love it. All cancelled this year.2020 and 2021. One big show is no more.
I also like going to retreats with groups for learning techniques or just to get away. Groups of various sizes from all over sewing, eating and talking together. Mostly cancelled. A few local groups are having them but no special rules in place so I avoid. Large organized groups have cancelled or are trying hard to follow whatever guidance their state has and it is confusing.
Looks like a get away to a local conference center in August is in flux. Center reduced numbers to 40 or suggested they break into two groups of 25 each on separate weekends. It may even be cancelled. Mom will be so disappointed.
Going to be interesting how and when the world changes.
Dh just got appointments for his first and second vaccine shots.
If I ever get out and about again, I'll wear a mask if I'm likely to be in a crowd--at least for the foreseeable future.
Teams are going out to densely populated parts of my city knocking on doors trying to convince people to get the vaccine. These are also the most crime ridden parts of the city. I wouldn't open my door to a group of strangers.
Today I was getting gas and the little screen by the gas pump that plays ads to try to get you to buy snacks in the stores, or has entertainment news tidbits, ran an ad for the vaccine, among other things saying it does not contain the virus and cannot give you covid.
I was reading an article last week about attempts to reach people to get them vaccinated through novel outreach methods. The most successful one they mentioned was a bar somewhere that was offering a free beer to anyone that got the shot at their vaccine event. They did like 100 shots. Seemed like a cheap way to get at some some of one’s regular customers vaccinated.
Kind of gives new meaning to the phrase ‘a shot and a beer’.
I see Ohio is using some of its Covid Relief cash to fund a weekly million dollar lottery for vaccinated adults.
happystuff
5-17-21, 10:58am
As availability is rising in my area, I'm seeing more and more people getting the vaccine, especially at work. But they are still emailing 1-3 positive test results on people every 1-2 weeks. (And we are still required to mask up during our entire shift and that's fine with me.)
1/3 of our patients today were age 12-15:cool:
1/3 of our patients today were age 12-15:cool:
Awesome!
I am so glad the kids can get vaccinated now, as this is the middle school high school age group, and it will be wonderful for them to be able to have normal school lives, with things like singing and playing sports. (That was the only part of school I enjoyed at that age!)
Teacher Terry
5-18-21, 1:04pm
I felt bad for the kids losing school and their social lives. So glad that they can get vaccinated.
A woman from my church has a 19 yo son going into his sophomore year of college. He has a full ride (includes room & board) to a fancy private college in the Midwest. Freshman year was all online. School has said students cannot register for fall classes (all in person) without being vaxxed. Kid flat out refuses to get the shots. Here’s the bad part - no classes this fall, kid loses his full ride. Mother is beside herself. She’s first generation American born to Eastern European immigrant parents. There was no money for college when she graduated from high school. And now she and her husband are struggling badly due to covid related job loss, so unable to help son at all. He’d have to take out school loans. If her son has told her his reasons for refusing to get vaxxed, she hasn’t said. Several elderly relatives (already in bad health) died from Covid, so you would think the kid would want to get the shot. Woman and her husband and two other teenagers have already had at least first dose.
This is not politically motivated. Family leans left.
I have noticed something of a correlation between people who are not getting vaccinated and people who don't have tattoos. Could be a fear of needles.
I have noticed something of a correlation between people who are not getting vaccinated and people who don't have tattoos. Could be a fear of needles.
Kid has a number of tats already.
I have noticed something of a correlation between people who are not getting vaccinated and people who don't have tattoos. Could be a fear of needles.
Now that's a stretch. I don't have tattoos because of a fear of needles, I don't have tattoos because I don't see the need to permanently mar an otherwise acceptable body.
I see Ohio is using some of its Covid Relief cash to fund a weekly million dollar lottery for vaccinated adults.
Yep, one million dollars per lucky winner each Monday for 5 weeks with the first drawing on 5/24 and the last on 6/21. There's a separate drawing each week for students aged 12 to 18 for a full boat 4 year scholarship to any Ohio University.
Registration for the drawings began today so I just registered both my wife and I since that gives us 2 chances in 5,000,000 or so, depending upon how many people complete the registration process. I'm feeling lucky!
I have noticed something of a correlation between people who are not getting vaccinated and people who don't have tattoos. Could be a fear of needles.
Oh pray tell, where are you seeing this? Your constant reaching is ridiculous!
happystuff
5-19-21, 10:14am
I have noticed something of a correlation between people who are not getting vaccinated and people who don't have tattoos. Could be a fear of needles.
>8)
Yep, one million dollars per lucky winner each Monday for 5 weeks with the first drawing on 5/24 and the last on 6/21. There's a separate drawing each week for students aged 12 to 18 for a full boat 4 year scholarship to any Ohio University.
Registration for the drawings began today so I just registered both my wife and I since that gives us 2 chances in 5,000,000 or so, depending upon how many people complete the registration process. I'm feeling lucky!
Apparently it’s working. SO is watching the news and I just overheard that Ohio vaccinations are up 28% since the announcement! Good luck!
Yep, one million dollars per lucky winner each Monday for 5 weeks with the first drawing on 5/24 and the last on 6/21. There's a separate drawing each week for students aged 12 to 18 for a full boat 4 year scholarship to any Ohio University.
Registration for the drawings began today so I just registered both my wife and I since that gives us 2 chances in 5,000,000 or so, depending upon how many people complete the registration process. I'm feeling lucky!
Perhaps these actions also make the point that refusing to be vaccinated qualifies you for a different, higher-stakes lottery.
My brother was finally able to book his second Pfizer shot yesterday after trying for a week. When my parents got theirs the place gave them their second appointments that same day, but the governor has been shutting down some vaccination sites, so this didn't happen with him. Because of the special freezers required it is hard to find the Pfizer in many settings. The state continues to underwhelm and frustrate with its vaccine rollout. That our state has already reached herd immunity is a tribute to the persistence of the citizens, not the government.
An average of 570 cases per day over the last week in a state with just 7 million residents does not fit the definition of herd immunity.
It should not be so hard to get the shot as it is in Mass. The last three times I have been in New Hampshire, they are advertising walk-ins at Walmart, Hannaford, and Walgreen.
ApatheticNoMore
5-21-21, 6:35pm
What if you got a vaccine because you wanted it to be safe again to go to a tattoo parlor.
The last three times I have been in New Hampshire, they are advertising walk-ins at Walmart, Hannaford, and Walgreen.
I'm in central Ma, and the local CVS, Walgreens and Walmart all have walk in service. I got my J+J shot on the last day appointments were required and that was 2 weeks ago.
It should not be so hard to get the shot as it is in Mass. The last three times I have been in New Hampshire, they are advertising walk-ins at Walmart, Hannaford, and Walgreen.
I think it may be easier for those not trying to get Pfizer. But supposedly you are not supposed to switch brands. A study is underway to see if switching is okay at least for booster shots.
The end of the month the ability to preregister for a shot goes away in my state, so people will be even more on their own.
My brother does not drive so he wanted to preregister so he could arrange a ride.
But supposedly you are not supposed to switch brands. A study is underway to see if switching is okay at least for booster shots. .
It is NOT supposedly. We do NOT mix brands. Vaccines were not studied for this in the clinical trials that were submitted for EUA.
Mixed vaccine trials are ONLY occurring in Europe. None in the USA. The European results will not be out until June.
Why must you constantly reach for crap? Why can you not accept the guidance we have.
It is NOT supposedly. We do NOT mix brands. Vaccines were not studied for this in the clinical trials that were submitted for EUA.
Mixed vaccine trials are ONLY occurring in Europe. None in the USA. The European results will not be out until June.
Why must you constantly reach for crap? Why can you not accept the guidance we have.
Because she wants to try on clothes without a mask.
Here's an article where the CDC says if you can't get the same brand for your second dose, take what you can get:
https://www.wmur.com/article/lempster-new-hampshire-man-wrong-covid-vaccine-dose/36135354#
FYI in case any of you run into this situation. Be sure to click read more to see this section of the story from the very reputable WMUR.
Beware of people who will misrepresent the science and lie about what the CDC says out of animosity towards me.
This is an article about mixing brands under "exceptional circumstances." But I think right now all the different shots are pretty available, so people should definitely go the preferred route and get the same one:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/cdc-changes-covid-vaccine-guidance-to-ok-mixing-pfizer-and-moderna-shots-in-exceptional-si.html
happystuff
5-22-21, 10:51am
Beware of people who will misrepresent the science and lie about what the CDC says out of animosity towards me.
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This is an article about mixing brands under "exceptional circumstances." But I think right now all the different shots are pretty available, so people should definitely go the preferred route and get the same one:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/cdc-changes-covid-vaccine-guidance-to-ok-mixing-pfizer-and-moderna-shots-in-exceptional-si.html
Correct. We will not mix them as they are not studied, which the article DOES point out! If the world is crazy because we're barely approaching 2 years, why the hell would they take something voluntarily, not studied at all?
But hey, Y is the expert on things Covid so I'll let my organization know 'mixing it is' because Y said so>:(
Correct. We will not mix them as they are not studied, which the article DOES point out! If the world is crazy because we're barely approaching 2 years, why the hell would they take something voluntarily, not studied at all?
But hey, Y is the expert on things Covid so I'll let my organization know 'mixing it is' because Y said so>:(
It doesn't sound like there is any need to mix them, for sure. That article was from January, when there was not much availability. SO much availability now, everywhere I go they are advertising, "walk in and get the shot!"
Sometimes I mix ice cream flavors.
Sometimes I mix ice cream flavors.
That’s too bold for me. I prefer chocolate ice cream with Hershey’s sauce on it.
Not to change the subject but just had to say I am now 48 hours past my second Pfizer with absolutely no side effects. The media has done a fine job of scaring people with stories of after effects. Also showing painful deep jabs in the arm on news stories. My shots were so quick that I didn't even know they had been done.
iris lilies
5-22-21, 6:37pm
Not to change the subject but just had to say I am now 48 hours past my second Pfizer with absolutely no side effects. The media has done a fine job of scaring people with stories of after effects. Also showing painful deep jabs in the arm on news stories. My shots were so quick that I didn't even know they had been done.
The media blows up everything. That has some lessons about Covid. But I think we will all take away our own observations from that.
happystuff
5-22-21, 6:38pm
Not to change the subject but just had to say I am now 48 hours past my second Pfizer with absolutely no side effects. The media has done a fine job of scaring people with stories of after effects. Also showing painful deep jabs in the arm on news stories. My shots were so quick that I didn't even know they had been done.
So glad you had no side effects! I hadn't read about many negative after-effects with the Pfizer. I, however, had the full gambit of negative side-effects with my 2nd Moderna shot. I'm glad folks (and the media!!!) posted about them, as I was not surprised when I started getting hit with them. Again, as the media and other folks shared, they only lasted for about 24 hours, but those 24 hours were pretty bad!!!
Not to change the subject but just had to say I am now 48 hours past my second Pfizer with absolutely no side effects. The media has done a fine job of scaring people with stories of after effects. Also showing painful deep jabs in the arm on news stories. My shots were so quick that I didn't even know they had been done.
I am honestly the only person I know who reacted at all. With Pfizer #2 I had about 16 hours of fatigue, chills and sore arm. 800 ibuprofen and to bed. Fine the next morning! No biggie for the protection it offers!
Teacher Terry
5-23-21, 1:16am
I was sick for 3 days with Pfizer #2. 8 hours after it I had the worst chills of my life. Sure beats getting the virus. My son got his second Modena shot 8 hours ago and so far he is fine.
ApatheticNoMore
5-23-21, 2:21am
I had flu like muscle aches from the second for a day. from pfizer So it was like a flu except without all the other suffering a flu would have (sore throat, cough, nasal congestion etc. - none of that just muscle aches). Some ibuprofin and some time and it eventually cleared.
I had no chills or fever, just overwhelming fatigue for 3 days. I took lots of long naps and went to bed early. J+J.
Now that kids can get the Pfizer vaccine, we called Friday night and got an appointment for the next morning. The pharmacy we went to was accepting walk-ins, and didn’t seem particularly busy.
Now that kids can get the Pfizer vaccine, we called Friday night and got an appointment for the next morning. The pharmacy we went to was accepting walk-ins, and didn’t seem particularly busy.
Our schedule the first Monday after school ends is packed with kids 12-15. We're excited to see this. I think many parents don't want the risk of the kids missing out on the final 2 weeks of school activities.
I think many parents don't want the risk of the kids missing out on the final 2 weeks of school activities.
I think another big factor is safer vacationing. Last summer we were pretty much limited to stay-in-your car stuff. I took a lot of day trips with my kid so he could build a photographic collection of unusually large items. Like the world’s biggest hex nut or a monument to a notorious elephant.
I think another big factor is safer vacationing. Last summer we were pretty much limited to stay-in-your car stuff. I took a lot of day trips with my kid so he could build a photographic collection of unusually large items. Like the world’s biggest hex nut or a monument to a notorious elephant.
Oh I want to be your kid for a summer. That sounds like a fun way to spend 12 weeks!!!!:cool: Very creative of you to get kiddo out!
Oh I want to be your kid for a summer. That sounds like a fun way to spend 12 weeks!!!!:cool: Very creative of you to get kiddo out!
Anything was preferable to get him away from playing Minecraft. I swear there are people who spend more time in that world than the real one.
A while back I had asked my son if he planned to get the vaccine and he said no. I knew if I nagged him it would be counterproductive. Today a family member told me that he told them he plans to get vaccinated this week, so I am happy. She relayed that he wanted a J&J so there is only one dose and also a walk-in which makes sense. He is very concerned about privacy and wouldn't want to preregister and have his email, phone # etc out there.
A while back I had asked my son if he planned to get the vaccine and he said no. I knew if I nagged him it would be counterproductive. Today a family member told me that he told them he plans to get vaccinated this week, so I am happy. She relayed that he wanted a J&J so there is only one dose and also a walk-in which makes sense. He is very concerned about privacy and wouldn't want to preregister and have his email, phone # etc out there.
Any organization is going to ask for all of that info when he arrives for a walk-in. The difference? It's a lot more work on our end for walk-ins and holds up the line than if folks register. Also, it's a lot easier and less risky for us to plan how much vaccine to prepare so that we don't run out and make people wait or waste because we just don't know. Trust me, you don't want a 45F vaccine injected. You'd much rather have it room temp yet safe.
Any organization is going to ask for all of that info when he arrives for a walk-in. The difference? It's a lot more work on our end for walk-ins and holds up the line than if folks register. Also, it's a lot easier and less risky for us to plan how much vaccine to prepare so that we don't run out and make people wait or waste because we just don't know. Trust me, you don't want a 45F vaccine injected. You'd much rather have it room temp yet safe.
So if you are homeless and don't have an email or a phone you can't get the vaccine?
So if you are homeless and don't have an email or a phone you can't get the vaccine?
You just get ice cream.
Any organization is going to ask for all of that info when he arrives for a walk-in. The difference? It's a lot more work on our end for walk-ins and holds up the line than if folks register. Also, it's a lot easier and less risky for us to plan how much vaccine to prepare so that we don't run out and make people wait or waste because we just don't know. Trust me, you don't want a 45F vaccine injected. You'd much rather have it room temp yet safe.
Do they bring it up to room temperature before administering? I got the j&j and the guy mentioned that I was the first shot from a new vial and I swear it was cold. And quite unpleasant for about 30-45 seconds.
Anything was preferable to get him away from playing Minecraft. I swear there are people who spend more time in that world than the real one.
Traverse City, largest cherry pie in world, see pie pan:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyISZHaCYpyJ8yRn93rqrymYfinwNCq LHnJRYk9ySeUsmSSyxsfZQPo_onmT--JYnJJ-M&usqp=CAU
iris lilies
5-23-21, 5:11pm
Traverse City, largest cherry pie in world, see pie pan:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyISZHaCYpyJ8yRn93rqrymYfinwNCq LHnJRYk9ySeUsmSSyxsfZQPo_onmT--JYnJJ-M&usqp=CAU
largest ketchup bottle is near me in Collinsville, IL.
3805
Do they bring it up to room temperature before administering? I got the j&j and the guy mentioned that I was the first shot from a new vial and I swear it was cold. And quite unpleasant for about 30-45 seconds.
Apparently it depends on whether they are following the instructions. We do.
Traverse City, largest cherry pie in world, see pie pan:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyISZHaCYpyJ8yRn93rqrymYfinwNCq LHnJRYk9ySeUsmSSyxsfZQPo_onmT--JYnJJ-M&usqp=CAU
largest ketchup bottle is near me in Collinsville, IL.
3805
To take this to another extreme, the shortest street in Britain, at 51 feet long, Queen Charlotte Street outside Windsor Castle.
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happystuff
5-23-21, 6:44pm
I love the shortest street!!!
I love the shortest street!!!
You can't miss it, it's right next to the crooked tea house.
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Traverse City, largest cherry pie in world, see pie pan:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyISZHaCYpyJ8yRn93rqrymYfinwNCq LHnJRYk9ySeUsmSSyxsfZQPo_onmT--JYnJJ-M&usqp=CAU
Traverse City isn’t that far from Ludington, which we can reach via the car ferry from Manitowoc, WI. It might be worth compiling a list of unusually large things in the area.
Traverse City isn’t that far from Ludington, which we can reach via the car ferry from Manitowoc, WI.
The SS Badger! I love riding on that piece of history!
The SS Badger! I love riding on that piece of history!
I believe she’s a National Historic Landmark. I would guess most people who’ve heard of Manitowoc know of it as the ferry terminus or as the town where a chunk of Sputnik landed. Or maybe the place where the “Making a Murderer” events occurred. I love this weird little city.
frugal-one
5-24-21, 8:28pm
I believe she’s a National Historic Landmark. I would guess most people who’ve heard of Manitowoc know of it as the ferry terminus or as the town where a chunk of Sputnik landed. Or maybe the place where the “Making a Murderer” events occurred. I love this weird little city.
Have you met Bernice, the cow (mascot of Cedar Crest Ice Cream fame)?
I believe she’s a National Historic Landmark. I would guess most people who’ve heard of Manitowoc know of it as the ferry terminus or as the town where a chunk of Sputnik landed. Or maybe the place where the “Making a Murderer” events occurred. I love this weird little city.
Yes, National Historic Landmark. She still burns coal, too! They had to put in an expensive system to handle the coal ash. Maybe I’ll take a trip on her this summer.
If you go to Ludington, go to the ice cream place right by where the ferry lets out-- apple crisp there is incredible.
If you go to Ludington, go to the ice cream place right by where the ferry lets out-- apple crisp there is incredible.
If you’re talking about House of Flavors, I have to agree with you.
If you’re talking about House of Flavors, I have to agree with you.
That's it!! Thank you for that name!
Have you met Bernice, the cow (mascot of Cedar Crest Ice Cream fame)?
Yes, much to the detriment of my waistline. Cedar Crest is on the route to my kid’s school. Bernice was one of our first pictures for the collection.
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