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iris lilies
12-26-21, 3:01pm
yea and we don't get our panties up in a bunch over these either. I mean do you imagine people take offense when they see a burkah. No. Do you imagine we have some instinctive dislike for Muslims or something? That's completely nuts. At the same time when I saw some kids from a Muslim school and all the girls in burkahs and the boys in tshirts and jeans and sneakers, it makes an impression too. But very few modern cultures are matriarchies, sad to say. Meanwhile masks are about disease spread.
Just last week I heard quite a feminist lecture about people who take a “live and let live” attitude toward the oppressive burkas. Those panties were definitely in a bunch. But I do see her point.
Government handouts for antivaxxers. Coming soon to a Republican led state near you. And some people wonder why I laugh when they make the obviously absurd claim that republicans are supportive of public health and vaccinations.
Government handouts for antivaxxers. Coming soon to a Republican led state near you. And some people wonder why I laugh when they make the obviously absurd claim that republicans are supportive of public health and vaccinations.
It already came previously to my Republican led state - $25 gift cards to Market Basket if you get your shot.
iris lilies
12-27-21, 2:51pm
Government handouts for antivaxxers. Coming soon to a Republican led state near you. And some people wonder why I laugh when they make the obviously absurd claim that republicans are supportive of public health and vaccinations.
This program is not geared to the traditionally-Republican voters, I would wager.
edited to add: I mean the $25 checks going to Market Basket or whatever that is
iris lilies
12-27-21, 3:17pm
Government handouts for antivaxxers. Coming soon to a Republican led state near you. And some people wonder why I laugh when they make the obviously absurd claim that republicans are supportive of public health and vaccinations.
I dont know what you mean here.
where can we pick up our gubmnt check?
I dont know what you mean here.
where can we pick up our gubmnt check?
I still have PTSD from the government cheese.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-477a4f1bbc1090b72bb3d2173b5d2c46
No. I was talking about unemployment benefits for antivax jerks that lose their jobs.
One silver lining of infection rates changing in different regions of the country is that we hear less blather about “Georgia’s experiment in human sacrifice” or “the Florida death cult” when certain states are faring worse.
One silver lining of infection rates changing in different regions of the country is that we hear less blather about “Georgia’s experiment in human sacrifice” or “the Florida death cult” when certain states are faring worse.
Indeed. Now it's simply 'the unvaxxed are filling up the hospitals and killing off other (mostly) unvaxxed folks.' Thankfully that means the hospitals where I live are likely to get through just fine. Unless he Central Valley has to start outsourcing hospital care to the Bay Area like they did a year ago.
One silver lining of infection rates changing in different regions of the country is that we hear less blather about “Georgia’s experiment in human sacrifice” or “the Florida death cult” when certain states are faring worse.
The best place in the country right now is Montana.
The Board of Health will not listen to me but let the travel industry whine and voila health guidance changes on a dime.
I am not the only one whining about masks. Over 350 people did at this Board of Health meeting east of me:
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2021/12/29/lets-burn-her-house-down-beverly-boards-covid-meeting-descends-into-chaos/
boss mare
12-31-21, 10:58pm
I am not the only one whining about masks. Over 350 people did at this Board of Health meeting east of me:
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2021/12/29/lets-burn-her-house-down-beverly-boards-covid-meeting-descends-into-chaos/
Do you approve of the way that was handled by the protestors? To burn someone's house down. Wow. Just. Wow.
My suggestion is, like the article suggested the meeting became "Lord of The Flies", is to have just like the leper colonies of days past. All of the people who are against masks, vaccines, social distancing, believe that it's " just the flu" or insist that it's a hoax, or have some conspiracy story about Mr. Gates, that it was a planned virus in a lab. Also, those who think that Covid will be cured with Ivermectin, vitamins, etc, should be included too. Should all go to the state that is in the biggest denial of this. There all will be all sunshine and rainbows and happiness for all. They can eat their young. We can see if Darwin was right. It would be awesome to see this social experiment.
There. Problem Solved.
boss mare
12-31-21, 11:03pm
I still have PTSD from the government cheese.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-477a4f1bbc1090b72bb3d2173b5d2c46
I can handle the cheese.... It was the mystery meat and the powdered eggs that still gives me PTSD
Do you approve of the way that was handled by the protestors? To burn someone's house down. Wow. Just. Wow.
My suggestion is, like the article suggested the meeting became "Lord of The Flies", is to have just like the leper colonies of days past. All of the people who are against masks, vaccines, social distancing, believe that it's " just the flu" or insist that it's a hoax, or have some conspiracy story about Mr. Gates, that it was a planned virus in a lab. Also, those who think that Covid will be cured with Ivermectin, vitamins, etc, should be included too. Should all go to the state that is in the biggest denial of this. There all will be all sunshine and rainbows and happiness for all. They can eat their young. We can see if Darwin was right. It would be awesome to see this social experiment.
There. Problem Solved.
You could call it Camp Schadenfreude. Bring in Chinese consultants. Not only for their experience in similar social experiments with undesirables, but for their expertise in managing the virus. I hear they recently reported fewer than ten omicron infections for the whole country.
I am seeing more and more public health figures finally admit any old cloth face covering does nothing. Some places are sending out N95 or KN95 masks to public schools. Meanwhile the useless, virtue signalling, let's make it look like we're doing something mask mandate remains in place in my city.
I am seeing more and more public health figures finally admit any old cloth face covering does nothing. Some places are sending out N95 or KN95 masks to public schools. Meanwhile the useless, virtue signalling, let's make it look like we're doing something mask mandate remains in place in my city.
So now you’re going to public health meetings to push for requirements for better masks?
So now you’re going to public health meetings to push for requirements for better masks?
No I am not. People should be able to choose whether to protect themselves. Prior to covid vulnerable people sometimes wore masks. People in healthcare sometimes did, such as when caring for Ebola patients. There was not a government mandate.
Punitive mandates with fines attached just create resentment and backlash. Remember the war on drugs with its punitive approach including mass incarceration? And drug abuse is worse now than it was before the war on drugs.
You’ve been resentful about masks since before the first time you ever put one on. We all remember you bitching about them from day one. Mandates had nothing to do with it.
You’ve been resentful about masks since before the first time you ever put one on. We all remember you bitching about them from day one. Mandates had nothing to do with it.
I have only worn one when mandated to do so, so mandates have had everything to do with it.
This thread is also for you to whine about Trump. You are slacking.
Here you go. Until the republican party fully denounces the big lie and admits that they just can't win elections since they have ZERO actual platform at this point I will continue to point out what shitty unamerican people they are.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/01/opinion/january-6-attack-committee.html
It is regular citizens who threaten election officials and other public servants, who ask, “When can we use the guns?” and who vow to murder politicians who dare to vote their conscience. It is Republican lawmakers scrambling to make it harder for people to vote and easier to subvert their will if they do. It is Donald Trump who continues to stoke the flames of conflict with his rampant lies and limitless resentments and whose twisted version of reality still dominates one of the nation’s two major political parties.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/us/politics/republican-violent-rhetoric.html
In short, the Republic faces an existential threat from a movement that is openly contemptuous of democracy and has shown that it is willing to use violence to achieve its ends.
At a conservative rally in western Idaho last month, a young man stepped up to a microphone to ask when he could start killing Democrats.
“When do we get to use the guns?” he said as the audience applauded. “How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?” The local state representative, a Republican, later called it a “fair” question.
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In Ohio, the leading candidate in the Republican primary for Senate blasted out a video urging Republicans to resist the “tyranny” of a federal government that pushed them to wear masks and take F.D.A.-authorized vaccines.
“When the Gestapo show up at your front door,” the candidate, Josh Mandel, a grandson of Holocaust survivors, said in the video in September, “you know what to do.”
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Representative Paul Gosar, Republican of Arizona, this week tweeted an anime video altered to show him killing Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and swinging two swords at Mr. Biden.
But none of this is particularly surprising when that a violent thug heads the party.
He (trump) encouraged attendees at his rallies to “knock the hell” out of protesters, praised a lawmaker who body-slammed a reporter, and in a recent interview defended rioters who clamored to “hang Mike Pence.”
Prior to covid vulnerable people sometimes wore masks. People in healthcare sometimes did, such as when caring for Ebola patients. There was not a government mandate.
In order to work, for the past 10 years I have had to follow government (federal, state, local, union) mandates for masks and vaccinations. Otherwise I would be discharged, or redeployed to a different role..
And let me tell you, we wear quite a bit more than masks when caring for Ebola patients... As required by...mandate.
Well, everyone has their own choice of villains to make. I like what Jonah Goldberg said about voter fraud, voter suppression and lesbian vampires all being equally effective in their impact on the 2020 election.
Trump’s childish refusal to accept defeat cost the GOP a couple of Senate seats and a lot of credibility. The Democrats then convinced themselves that gave them a mandate to “transform” our society and economy. Both sides will pay a price for their idiocy.
I also believe that refusing to wear a mask is one of the dumber ways to strike a blow for liberty; although there is an element of medicalized authoritarianism as well.
And the Republican party’s childish refusal to tell the truth, that that orange ****tard lost fair and square, is shameful. Liz Cheney is about the only respectable Republican politician alive today.
I think the size of the defeat the Democrats will suffer in 2022 will depend on how closely they cling to their Trump fixation and social justice radicalism at the expense of issues like crime and inflation that the mass of voters actually care about.
Yeah--social justice is just sooo radical. :doh:
Yeah--social justice is just sooo radical. :doh:
exactly. God forbid social justice triumphs over the GDP.
I think the size of the defeat the Democrats will suffer in 2022 will depend on how closely they cling to their Trump fixation and social justice radicalism at the expense of issues like crime and inflation that the mass of voters actually care about.
Hope fully we will have accomplished the voting rights act before the election and can then focus on an actual platform of what we want to do if elected. While the republicans focus on shutting down education about racism and well, that currently seems to be their only policy platform besides bleating about the stupid ****ing big lie. I suppose you could include the anti-science aspect of being anti mask anti vax and pro covid since they are now encouraging people to not get vaxxed by giving unemployment benefits to anti Vaxxers that lose their jobs in five states.
Hope fully we will have accomplished the voting rights act before the election and can then focus on an actual platform of what we want to do if elected. While the republicans focus on shutting down education about racism and well, that currently seems to be their only policy platform besides bleating about the stupid ****ing big lie. I suppose you could include the anti-science aspect of being anti mask anti vax and pro covid since they are now encouraging people to not get vaxxed by giving unemployment benefits to anti Vaxxers that lose their jobs in five states.
Candidates who talk like that: Terry Macauliffe, for instance, will possibly do more to further the Republican cause than the Republicans themselves. Grabbing power from the states to regulate elections won’t save them if the majority of voters associate the Democrats with rising crime and economic problems.
ApatheticNoMore
1-3-22, 3:47am
So the fed will probably raise interest rates, the economy will enter a recession, and those who think these are bad economic times (what are they 20 something, they've never lived through a real recession, certainly not 2008 and it's 5 year aftermath) will know what a bad economy actually is. Yes any economy can be bad for any individual or profession, but there is such a thing as actual recessions, and the bad is widespread.
As omicron runs wild in my area a Board of Health meeting was abruptly cancelled. I am betting the masks they mandate didn't keep them safe.
As omicron runs wild in my area a Board of Health meeting was abruptly cancelled. I am betting the masks they mandate didn't keep them safe.
Or maybe they decided like my SO’s bowling league that it wasn’t prudent to get a lot of people together in a room during a major surge of the pandemic. These are, after all, people supposedly concerned about public health. If a random bunch of gay men in a casual bowling league can figure that out surely a group of public health officials can too.
Or maybe they decided like my SO’s bowling league that it wasn’t prudent to get a lot of people together in a room during a major surge of the pandemic. These are, after all, people supposedly concerned about public health. If a random bunch of gay men in a casual bowling league can figure that out surely a group of public health officials can too.
Except that they could do the meetings virtually like the City Council and others are.
Some guys at my company are out and people are asking why don't they just work from home, but they are too sick/symptomatic to work. I suspect the same here.
There is a label for me now from an article that came out in today's The Atlantic - vaxxed and done.
Yeah! My tribe has a name now!
ApatheticNoMore
1-11-22, 4:40am
vaxed and cautious, but cautious itself is a flexible thing. I mean is one always equally cautious, or is one more cautious now because we have a huge virus surge going on now. really the latter in many things, though some caution is hard to shake.
And that will last long? Not likely, I'd reevaluate if it does, but most seem to think the surge will come and go quickly, but there will be some virus when the wave has passed, just the risk of everything will be considerably less (though vaxes wane so there is also that). Do I like it? No, not at all. But still seems sensible. I like my health and want to keep it.
frugal-one
1-11-22, 6:08pm
Maybe I am too cautious but I am not going maskless in groups over 5 people in a confined space. It probably will not matter though because everyone in this park is getting together without masks. And, there are a few unvaccinated idiots.
Maybe I am too cautious but I am not going maskless in groups over 5 people in a confined space. It probably will not matter though because everyone in this park is getting together without masks. And, there are a few unvaccinated idiots.
The virus is very smart. It can distinguish between five people and six people and act accordingly.
Previously it consulted its wristwatch and only came out after 10 PM so curfews kept us safe.
ApatheticNoMore
1-11-22, 6:39pm
Look up the definition of "over".
I have run across another group of likeminded people. They are on a hunger strike because of covid restrictions including not being able to access the library:
https://nypost.com/2022/01/12/rikers-island-inmates-go-on-strike-to-protest-conditions-covid-19-lockdown/
The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination has accepted my complaint against the City and assigned an investigator to my case.
The covid equivalent of the boy who cried wolf - public health officials who cry masks.
Dr. Ashish Jha wrote a great editorial published today on why you don't keep stirring up fear and making people wear masks forever:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/why-the-us-should-relax-public-health-restrictions-as-soon-as-cases-fall-viewpoint.html
I suppose that makes sense. Kind of like how California didn’t have a mask requirement for a while and then omicron happened. I assume that once our numbers, still going up at this point, go down, we’ll go back to no mask mandate. Currently though if we dropped the mask mandate 95% of people would keep wearing masks because we don’t want to be like the little town in western Kansas where my mom grew up (and where my cousin and his parents still live). Since they have no safety measures the entire damn town all got infected at once. But hey, at least the high school basketball tournament went on as scheduled this weekend. Priorities… and a guarantee that the neighboring counties will have their health system overwhelming surge in a week or two. Hopefully the hospital at mom’s home town will have less local residents by then. Right now they are having to send everyone to Denver, 200 miles away. None of the counties in that part of the world have vax rates above 50%. People are dying from the stupidity. But, I guess they are mostly useless old folks so why the eff would anyone care about them. They were gonna die anyway. The sooner the better as some people like to say.
The covid equivalent of the boy who cried wolf - public health officials who cry masks.
Dr. Ashish Jha wrote a great editorial published today on why you don't keep stirring up fear and making people wear masks forever:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/why-the-us-should-relax-public-health-restrictions-as-soon-as-cases-fall-viewpoint.html
I read Dr. Jha's editorial, and also watched him on MSNBC last night. His position on the pandemic is that after this Omicron surge is over--some weeks in the future--we'll be able to relax the precautions we're taking now. But. he advises, we should use this respite to prepare for the next wave, of COVID by making sure we're vaccinated and have good-quality masks available. Apparently he doesn't think masks are nonsense, as he's mentioned them in all his appearances (that I've seen).
I emailed the Library (contact person for Friends of the Library) asking them to return the dues I had paid to the Friends over the years. I said that while I had been a friend to them they turned into an enemy to me by banning me from the library unless I wear a mask although I have medical issues doing so.
Friends of the Library are typically a private fund raising group. They do not set or influence library policy.
I emailed the Library (contact person for Friends of the Library) asking them to return the dues I had paid to the Friends over the years. I said that while I had been a friend to them they turned into an enemy to me by banning me from the library unless I wear a mask although I have medical issues doing so.
GeT oVeR YoUsElf... You Are Not Special. If My 6-year-old Granddaughter who has Downs Syndrome, has had to go through childhood leukemia and open-heart surgery all before she was four years old .... You can survive a small inconvenience. Cowgirl Up Chickie.... You are looking weak.
happystuff
1-29-22, 8:14pm
GeT oVeR YoUsElf... You Are Not Special. If My 6-year-old Granddaughter who has Downs Syndrome, has had to go through childhood leukemia and open-heart surgery all before she was four years old .... You can survive a small inconvenience. Cowgirl Up Chickie.... You are looking weak.
I sometimes hate when people quote, especially those I have blocked. But you are right. Your granddaughter probably has more compassion and love in her life than Y has, which may be exactly why she is so angry at.... everything and everyone.
GeT oVeR YoUsElf... You Are Not Special. If My 6-year-old Granddaughter who has Downs Syndrome, has had to go through childhood leukemia and open-heart surgery all before she was four years old .... You can survive a small inconvenience. Cowgirl Up Chickie.... You are looking weak.
Still reading my posts. Why don't you get over your weird writing? No disability in the world would make someone write GeT oVeR YoUsElf. It is now apparent this has just been some story to try to garner sympathy. Pathetic.
Still reading my posts. Why don't you get over your weird writing? No disability in the world would make someone write GeT oVeR YoUsElf. It is now apparent this has just been some story to try to garner sympathy. Pathetic.
Sweetie (No sexualization there, since you imagine that is a thing !Splat! ) My Granddaughter having Downs syndrome is real and she had to wear a mask at age three. Like I said earlier, I may not post daily, but I Read every day. And Yes, You may make sport of my spelling and of my grammar, and I admit to having dyslexic issues... Where does that leave you at the end of the day???? Go Ahead ... Make My Day!!!! BTW Where is your Medical and horse rerated credentials??? I will wait for your resume.
Still reading my posts. Why don't you get over your weird writing? No disability in the world would make someone write GeT oVeR YoUsElf. It is now apparent this has just been some story to try to garner sympathy. Pathetic.
I am still waiting for your medical and horse related credentials. Please post them ASAP... All of us here on Simple Living Forum await with bated breath. I will post my credentials against yours any day ... Please post them... I. Will. Wait.
Sweetie (No sexualization there, since you imagine that is a thing !Splat! ) My Granddaughter having Downs syndrome is real and she had to wear a mask at age three. Like I said earlier, I may not post daily, but I Read every day. And Yes, You may make sport of my spelling and of my grammar, and I admit to having dyslexic issues... Where does that leave you at the end of the day???? Go Ahead ... Make My Day!!!! BTW Where is your Medical and horse rerated credentials??? I will wait for your resume.
S in Syndrome should be capitalized.
R in read should not be capitalized.
The correct verb is are after Where.
You want me to answer questions, yet have not answered mine about your obviously fake disability. There is no disability that makes someone who since 2010 has been posting here all of a sudden randomly start interspersing upper case and lower case letters in the same word. #Fakedisability
There are a few signs of hope, including one city in my state discontinuing its mask mandate.
I saw a great Tweet today I should have copied, to the effect of why are we making young children get tested, wear masks, quarantine, etc but we aren't making nursing home residents get boosters. There is so much lack of common sense and ignoring risk factors in public health.
Met with the library trustees. What a bunch of nervous nellies. I told them people can protect themselves with vaccines. The Director said everyone she knows who's had covid is vaccinated and it's mild but they get it. So let's all put on random face coverings forever that do nothing to stop omicron so supposedly no one will get the sniffles. And who lives in such a bubble that they only know vaccinated people? We have a 60% vax rate in the city.
I came home and emailed the City disability committee to see if they can help me.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
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You might make a disability case for Mask Derangement Syndrome. :D
At any rate, mask mandates are set to go away in a couple of months, though I suspect many of us will continue to wear them in crowded situations.
I have made contact with another anti-mandate activist in my city and she has some novel ideas she will try. If she succeeds that should fix the problem for everyone. She has school age children so that is her focus.
Now that my city's mask mandate is gone I don't have to worry about saving my vacation days for a possible hunger strike, so I am emailing places I want to go on vacation and asking them to drop their mask mandates.
iris lilies
2-18-22, 8:50pm
Well jep, way to turn success into more unhappiness.
Well jep, way to turn success into more unhappiness.
If they say no I will just spend the whole time hiking and going to local restaurants or shopping or something. As part of my environmental challenge each year I vacation closer to home. This year I will be staying within 55 minutes driving distance, which is a pretty masky area for nonprofit organizations with things like historic houses. I have a backlog of them on my list due to the pandemic but it's not a big deal. If they don't want my business fine. It's not like the library that I paid taxes for and couldn't use.
Ultralight
2-18-22, 10:49pm
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
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You might make a disability case for Mask Derangement Syndrome. :D
At any rate, mask mandates are set to go away in a couple of months, though I suspect many of us will continue to wear them in crowded situations.
I will definitely continue to mask when around others. One thing that has kept me road running is that I view every person as an infected. So I mask and stay away from them if at all possible.
Ultralight
2-18-22, 10:50pm
Well jep, way to turn success into more unhappiness.
Zing! hahaha
I will definitely continue to mask when around others. One thing that has kept me road running is that I view every person as an infected. So I mask and stay away from them if at all possible.
Unless you think you can get them into bed with you. Then all caution goes out the window.
Unless you think you can get them into bed with you. Then all caution goes out the window.
He’s probably having to beat the women off with a stick since they find masks attractive. UL claims to put the medical mask on over the n95 for health reasons but I think it’s because he knows it drives the women wild.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/13/face-masks-make-people-look-more-attractive-study-finds
Masks don't turn me on but they could obscure bad teeth.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 9:43am
He’s probably having to beat the women off with a stick since they find masks attractive. UL claims to put the medical mask on over the n95 for health reasons but I think it’s because he knows it drives the women wild.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/13/face-masks-make-people-look-more-attractive-study-finds
Cool! Thanks for the article. It is interesting how the blue face masks make men look more caring, it is like a social signal that people wearing blue masks have empathy.
I know when I see some dingbat in a social situation without a mask I think: "That person is likely devoid of empathy, possibly a sociopath."
iris lilies
2-19-22, 12:00pm
I know when I see some dingbat in a social situation without a mask I think: "That person is likely devoid of empathy, possibly a sociopath."
yes, we know you people are out there.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 12:22pm
yes, we know you people are out there.
And obviously we also know you people are out there.
Teacher Terry
2-19-22, 12:58pm
Our mask mandate was lifted 10 days ago and very few are wearing masks. It’s called a personal choice UL. Unless you have developed a severe auto immune disease your behavior is very odd.
iris lilies
2-19-22, 1:06pm
yes, we know you people are out there.
My dear boy, I masquerade (literally) as one of youl You absolutely cannot measure the “empathy” in my heart by the piece of cloth I wear on my face which is, by the way, an n95 making me look like a member of your tribe.
Really UL, seriously, all of this emphasis on signaling by masking is largely silly. You are smarter than that. Alan and I have hope for you.
Really UL, seriously, all of this emphasis on signaling by masking is largely silly. I think he's trying to prompt a response from Jeppy, I think he missed her. ;)
happystuff
2-19-22, 1:11pm
I think he's trying to prompt a response from Jeppy, I think he missed her. ;)
I was sort of thinking the same thing. Opposites attract - maybe? ;)
(Just kidding!!!)
Ultralight
2-19-22, 1:12pm
My dear boy, I masquerade (literally) as one of youl You absolutely cannot measure the “empathy” in my heart by the piece of cloth I wear on my face which is, by the way, an n95 making me look like a member of your tribe.
Really UL, seriously, all of this emphasis on signaling by masking is largely silly. You are smarter than that. Alan and I have hope for you.
Uh-oh, you're not gonna like this... Sociopathic traits linked to not wearing a mask or social distancing during pandemic: study
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/02/study-refusal-to-wear-face-mask-associated-with-psychopathy-traits.html
Queue up the "Those pointy-headed experts don't know nuffin." They aint better'n me!" repsonses. lol
Ultralight
2-19-22, 1:15pm
Our mask mandate was lifted 10 days ago and very few are wearing masks. It’s called a personal choice UL. Unless you have developed a severe auto immune disease your behavior is very odd.
The personal choice nonsense has been debunked. Like is it a personal choice if you smoke a cigarette next to me in public place or establishment like a store or office?
Teacher Terry
2-19-22, 1:19pm
Yes it is. For instance you can smoke in casinos here so I could very easily find myself standing next to someone that lights up. It’s then my choice to stay or leave. It’s not nonsense. Age is definitely not making you less rigid.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 1:22pm
I think he's trying to prompt a response from Jeppy, I think he missed her. ;)
Are you accusing me of some kind of online proxy troll war? Come on, man!
Ultralight
2-19-22, 1:26pm
Yes it is. For instance you can smoke in casinos here so I could very easily find myself standing next to someone that lights up. It’s then my choice to stay or leave. It’s not nonsense. Age is definitely not making you less rigid.
Okay, so you're against government smoking bans for private establishments?
Is driving the wrong way on a One Way street a personal choice? What about turn signals? Another personal choice? LOL
These laws exist to protect others.
Now, I know that is a bit abstract, but if you think on it you might soon find yourself a more enlightened person.
Or you can dig your heels in and be "Strong and wrong!" LOL
Ultralight
2-19-22, 1:27pm
I was sort of thinking the same thing. Opposites attract - maybe? ;)
(Just kidding!!!)
Barf.
happystuff
2-19-22, 1:30pm
Barf.
LOL. Response as expected.
Are you accusing me of some kind of online proxy troll war?
No, I just think you enjoy stirring whatever pot may be available. No worries, I kinda enjoy it sometimes too, the only difference is I don't start a half dozen or so threads a day on one subject trying to encourage one particular pot to boil.
Plus, as an amateur chef, I've found its often better to let things simmer, it brings out the flavor without leaving sticky stuff on the bottom of the pan.
Teacher Terry
2-19-22, 2:33pm
As someone with asthma I am glad that you can’t smoke in most places. The casinos are exempt because they provide a lot of money to our state which is why we have no state income taxes and extremely low property taxes. If being more enlightened means being like you I will pass but thanks anyways. Driving the wrong way down a street is not compared to wearing a mask. I am not going to comment any further because you always dig in and never concede that there’s more than one way to look at a issue.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 2:40pm
... you always dig in and never concede that there’s more than one way to look at a issue.
Projection.
I loved reading Ian Frazier's book The Rez. He talked about the freedom on the Pine Ridge Reservation, including not worrying about getting a parking ticket. A lot of us don't want to get in close proximity to others, or breathe on them, or commit crimes. We just want the government to leave us alone.
Today I went to my home library and never got near anyone except at checkout where there is a big plexiglass barrier with a slot you slide your books under. The sky did not fall. I only saw one other non-employee there, someone who came in to use the bathroom. The big health risk at the library is not me but someone ODing in that bathroom, which has signs about getting help for your drug problem, getting help if you are battered - you know, all the issues made worse by the isolation and restrictions during the pandemic.
ApatheticNoMore
2-19-22, 2:41pm
Ever think that age can sometimes make people rigid in their opinions because they recognize BS as BS. When you are young no you don't always, you lack the fuller understanding and so on. But we're all supposed to have the naivety of a teenager forever or something, we're like never supposed to learn anything? Well okay. Personal responsibility when you have a collective societal problem, like you know a pandemic, is nonsense.
You can call behavior odd, but literally all I want is GOOD DATA, good science and good data. For my own personal case, what are the actual risks of long covid? But it's not like I don't know people who have more health problems than me, what are the risk to say people like my mom in her 80s, what are the risk to diabetics etc. etc.. I mean whatever the risk of long covid if you are perfectly healthy and only see perfectly healthy people it's one thing, but not everyone is perfectly healthy. If everything seems complete confusion then yea I might be all precautionary principle.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 2:46pm
Personal responsibility when you have a collective societal problem, like you know a pandemic, is nonsense.
Zing!
Chicken lady
2-19-22, 3:05pm
I find this interesting, because my state had 2,590 traffic fatalities in 2020 and 2021 combined. In a similar roughly two year period, running from the start of the pandemic to now, we have had over 35,000 covid deaths.
we don’t consider seat belts a personal choice - even though seat belts are most likely to save you or your companions (and unsecured person becomes a dangerous object in a rollover) we don’t consider stop signs a personal choice (even though any intelligent person would watch for traffic before crossing another road, right?) we legislate against the personal choices if driving drunk and texting while driving.
We have laws that say I cannot walk down the street naked - which can be shown to increase to harm no one* but my sunburned/frost bitten self (* possibly see traffic fatalities) but we are opposed to mask laws when masks have been shown to reduce harm. Seriously - if you don’t think the government should be legally allowed to require masks but you do think that they should be legally allowed to require me to wear clothes, I would like to hear a logically consistent argument that’s does not involve imposing other people’s religious beliefs on me. (If you can require me to wear clothes because it is morally offensive - you can also require me to wear a burqua.(sp?)
iris lilies
2-19-22, 3:17pm
Obviously “we do not consider seat belts a personal,choice” is not a universal sentiment among “we.” Your premise is wrong. The good citizens of New Hampshire didnt fall for that. Seat belts are not universally required elsewhere, not on private roads for instance.
Just because the gubmnt takes an inch doesnt mean”we” have to give them a mile.
ApatheticNoMore
2-19-22, 3:20pm
oh please, if you don't buckle your seatbelt, your car whines at you incessantly (maybe I should call it yeppj) and then you buckle it to get it to shut up. So it's more than laws enforcing it, it's car manufacturers. I suppose you could disable that or something, but wow that is way too much bother compared to just using your seatbelt.
frugal-one
2-19-22, 3:29pm
Our mask mandate was lifted 10 days ago and very few are wearing masks. It’s called a personal choice UL. Unless you have developed a severe auto immune disease your behavior is very odd.
ICUs in many states are still at capacity. Makes sense to still be masking.
The car whining stops after a few minutes. I know this because I don't buckle my seat belt when I run the car at lunchtime to keep warm while I sit in it and eat and read.
I am not opposed to nudity. People on Nantucket are now working to allow women to go topless since men can. (And there are guys with real man boobs out there.)
If covid were highly contagious and lethal like Ebola is, if we were in a state of emergency in my state, if there were no vaccines or treatments, and if everyone wore N95 masks specially fit to their faces there might be an argument for a mandate.
The covid positivity rate in my state is 2.74%. It will never be zero. A WHO doctor said the other day covid will outlive the human species. If you want to worry about a real health threat that will kill us all try climate change.
The problem is people have no sense of risk. The most paranoid people are the most protected (vaxxed, boosted) and the people who should be worried (elderly anti-vaxxers with underlying medical conditions) are unconcerned. My second cousin once removed was in the latter category and died of covid in December, and not due to being out and about around unmasked people. She had hip replacement surgery several months prior and was homebound.
frugal-one
2-19-22, 3:35pm
oh please, if you don't buckle your seatbelt, your car whines at you incessantly (maybe I should call it yeppj) and then you buckle it to get it to shut up. So it's more than laws enforcing it, it's car manufacturers. I suppose you could disable that or something, but wow that is way too much bother compared to just using your seatbelt.
Thanks for the laugh!
Chicken lady
2-19-22, 3:43pm
Seat belts are not required on private property here.
As a result dh’s friend lost his brother who made a bad personal choice and a woman I know bought a really cheap farm recently when the young widower couldn’t bear to look at the spot where his wife died anymore. I am actually ok with people suffering the consequences of their own choices, but I feel a little bad for the ones left behind.
I also tend to let my car beep at me for a tenth of a mile after I get my mail unless I think someone might be leaving my property, so perhaps one day I will be both robbed and killed in a head on collision….
ApatheticNoMore
2-19-22, 3:51pm
If we had an extremely high risk threat like airborne ebola var 2 circulating or something, we would not be able to deal with it because of how the ability to deal with pandemic protections have been weakened by all those trying to weaken pandemic protections, not because say my governor decides to drop mask protection now (I disagree with it, but if that's all it was, mandates could come and go), but rather because how it is has been litigated and propagandized. I didn't help that along, ahem did you? Haha. It's not the beginning of a dictatorship, it's the end of even trying to act collectively to deal with public health problems. For the rest of my life it's going to be every person for themselves in a pandemic, I can only hope I don't live long enough to see another pandemic but with conditions as they are we are almost bound to. Until then I take care of #1 (which is frankly exactly what I do when I wear an N95). Climate change is another one of those collective action problems. I'm not saying it would all be hard, full electrification of power would probably do a lot for instance but it's a collective action problem, it's not about me, me, me.
I am not opposed to nudity. People on Nantucket are now working to allow women to go topless since men can. (And there are guys with real man boobs out there.)
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Going topless isn’t nudity. One is still wearing more clothes than the harmless piece of cloth that makes up a face mask.
happystuff
2-19-22, 3:56pm
If we had an extremely high risk threat like airborne ebola var 2 circulating or something, we would not be able to deal with it because of how the ability to deal with pandemic protections have been weakened by all those trying to weaken pandemic protections, not because say my governor decides to drop mask protection now (I disagree with it, but if that's all it was, mandates could come and go), but rather because how it is has been litigated and propagandized. I didn't help that long, ahem did you? Haha. It's not the beginning of a dictatorship, it's the end of even trying to act collectively to deal with public health problems. For the rest of my life it's going to be every person for themselves in a pandemic, I can only hope I don't live long enough to see another pandemic but with conditions as they are we are almost bound to. Until then take care of #1 (which is frankly exactly what I do when I wear an N95). Climate change is another one of those collective action problems. I'm not saying it would all be hard, full electrification of power would probably do a lot for instance but it's a collective action problem, it's not about me, me, me.
It's interesting how the "me, me, me" is showing up with regards to covid, yet in another thread, it seems the achievement of true happiness in aging is establishing positive and fulfilling relationships with others.
Do as I say or I will fine you.
Do as I say or I will freeze your bank accounts.
Do as I say or I will deplatform you.
Do as I say or I will label you selfish.
Do as I say or you will lose your job.
Do as I say or you'll be sent home from school.
There is only one way - my way.
If you disagree you are a right wing nutcase - just like all those folks in Scandinavia who've given up covid restrictions. I mean, Denmark is a hotbed of the radical right, isn't it?
Ultralight
2-19-22, 4:25pm
If we had an extremely high risk threat like airborne ebola var 2 circulating or something, we would not be able to deal with it because of how the ability to deal with pandemic protections have been weakened by all those trying to weaken pandemic protections, not because say my governor decides to drop mask protection now (I disagree with it, but if that's all it was, mandates could come and go), but rather because how it is has been litigated and propagandized. I didn't help that along, ahem did you? Haha. It's not the beginning of a dictatorship, it's the end of even trying to act collectively to deal with public health problems. For the rest of my life it's going to be every person for themselves in a pandemic, I can only hope I don't live long enough to see another pandemic but with conditions as they are we are almost bound to. Until then I take care of #1 (which is frankly exactly what I do when I wear an N95). Climate change is another one of those collective action problems. I'm not saying it would all be hard, full electrification of power would probably do a lot for instance but it's a collective action problem, it's not about me, me, me.
I also wear N95 just for my own safety. Even the people at risk who I can about are on Team F*ck It.
Every day fewer and fewer people are on Team Lock Down, or as I now call it, Team Everybody Turns Except Me. TETEM!
Ultralight
2-19-22, 4:28pm
It's interesting how the "me, me, me" is showing up with regards to covid, yet in another thread, it seems the achievement of true happiness in aging is establishing positive and fulfilling relationships with others.
No offense, but I think the point was that in a situation where the group is not able to be organized into doing the best thing for everyone, the smart person in that group looks for what he or she can do.
If the collective is in chaos, perhaps an individual must disregard the group's interest and find the best individual solution.
For me, that is masking like a champ and staying away from people.
happystuff
2-19-22, 4:34pm
No offense, but I think the point was that in a situation where the group is not able to be organized into doing the best thing for everyone, the smart person in that group looks for what he or she can do.
If the collective is in chaos, perhaps an individual must disregard the group's interest and find the best individual solution.
For me, that is masking like a champ and staying away from people.
I didn't express myself well - sorry.
I agree that the smart person looks to see what they can do - and should accept the REAL reason they are choosing to do what they do. The "me, me, me" reference was re: those individuals who are more concerned with themselves than are concerned with other people and themselves. Yet in the other thread, happiness in aging was said to be found in relationship to others. In my opinion, a "me, me, me" attitude does not seem to go hand-in-hand with developing good/lasting relationships with others.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 5:02pm
I didn't express myself well - sorry.
I agree that the smart person looks to see what they can do - and should accept the REAL reason they are choosing to do what they do. The "me, me, me" reference was re: those individuals who are more concerned with themselves than are concerned with other people and themselves. Yet in the other thread, happiness in aging was said to be found in relationship to others. In my opinion, a "me, me, me" attitude does not seem to go hand-in-hand with developing good/lasting relationships with others.
I think a big reason many people are unhappy is that they are profoundly mentally ill. Sure, there are many reasons for their mental illness -- some broad issues like propaganda or culture of overwork or our crappy social safety net. There are some individual things, like personal tragedies. Take depression or anxiety disorders. Very widespread. Think about B Cluster personality disorders. Approximately 1 in 20 women in America have BPD. I strongly suspect one on this forum has it based on her posts, but just sheer numbers almost guarantees that some folks on this forum have major Depressive Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder or a myriad of others. Just like Gen Pop!
People are crazy, and it makes them unhappy.
I think a big reason many people are unhappy is that they are profoundly mentally ill. Sure, there are many reasons for their mental illness -- some broad issues like propaganda or culture of overwork or our crappy social safety net. There are some individual things, like personal tragedies. Take depression or anxiety disorders. Very widespread. Think about B Cluster personality disorders. Approximately 1 in 20 women in America have BPD. I strongly suspect one on this forum has it based on her posts, but just sheer numbers almost guarantees that some folks on this forum have major Depressive Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder or a myriad of others. Just like Gen Pop!
People are crazy, and it makes them unhappy.
Wow. Just wow. The majority of people in Florida, Texas, South Carolina, etc are mentally ill?
The majority of people in Europe where children were never masked in school are mentally ill?
Talk about psychological projection!
iris lilies
2-19-22, 7:00pm
I think a big reason many people are unhappy is that they are profoundly mentally ill. Sure, there are many reasons for their mental illness -- some broad issues like propaganda or culture of overwork or our crappy social safety net. There are some individual things, like personal tragedies. Take depression or anxiety disorders. Very widespread. Think about B Cluster personality disorders. Approximately 1 in 20 women in America have BPD. I strongly suspect one on this forum has it based on her posts, but just sheer numbers almost guarantees that some folks on this forum have major Depressive Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder or a myriad of others. Just like Gen Pop!
People are crazy, and it makes them unhappy.
to be very clear, BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder, right?
I ask because the acronym also hits bipolar disorder.
happystuff
2-19-22, 7:10pm
to be very clear, BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder, right?
I ask because the acronym also hits bipolar disorder.
On an aside, aren't some (if not most) of these issues hereditary? Meaning "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree".
Asking because I (fortunately) do not have any personal/direct experience with these disorders.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 7:33pm
to be very clear, BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder, right?
Yes
iris lilies
2-19-22, 8:04pm
Yes
It is probably over-diagnosed anyway. I consider much of mental health science to be woo or feeling their way along in the dark, more so than physical health issues ‘tho that is certainly highly changeable.
Isn’t it a fairly recent thing anyway, as far as widespread diagnosis? Always something new to embrace and train newly minted degree holders in. I am not sure many therapists take on BPD patients anyway due to lack of clear and successful treatment protocols.
Chicken lady
2-19-22, 8:30pm
OCD, depression, and anxiety disorders appear to be hereditary. I do not know if any genes have been identified. My family has all three. Along with hoarding (there is an identified gene) and alcoholism. And an astonishingly high success rate at getting and staying happily married (one non-linear divorce on each side in 4 generations.) - thought I should throw that in in light of UL’s prejudices.
happystuff
2-19-22, 8:34pm
OCD, depression, and anxiety disorders appear to be hereditary. I do not know if any genes have been identified. My family has all three. Along with hoarding (there is an identified gene) and alcoholism. And an astonishingly high success rate at getting and staying happily married (one non-linear divorce on each side in 4 generations.) - thought I should throw that in in light of UL’s prejudices.
Thank you for the info and sharing.
Chicken lady
2-19-22, 9:19pm
No, wait, one of my mom’s cousins got divorced - that makes three. (I never met the cousin - my grandmother had six siblings with large families) My children’s two divorced great uncles were alcoholics who married young. One of them left his second wife - of 31 happy years - a widow a few weeks ago.
Ultralight
2-19-22, 10:06pm
I am not sure many therapists take on BPD patients anyway due to lack of clear and successful treatment protocols.
There is no effective treatment of any kind for Borderlines. They are literally a lost cause. The best thing to do is stay away from them. Many therapists refuse to work with them.
Unfortunately the 30s and 40s dating market is saturated with borderlines. haha
iris lilies
2-19-22, 10:59pm
There is no effective treatment of any kind for Borderlines. They are literally a lost cause. The best thing to do is stay away from them. Many therapists refuse to work with them.
Unfortunately the 30s and 40s dating market is saturated with borderlines. haha
You are putting it more strongly than I am.
A young woman we know, now 30 ish, went off the deep a few years ago after struggling with depression and what-was-then diagnosed as bipolar disorder. Pretty bad episode that lasted at least a year. She was brought ‘round by her own surprising dedication to getting “well” (whatever that means) which included medication and shock treatments. Later her mom told me the diagnosis was BPD.
But likely no one really knows, it is nehavior problems on the cluster B spectrum.
Teacher Terry
2-20-22, 12:37am
CL, that’s really interesting about the hoarding gene. Mental illness and alcoholism does tend to run in families. Very cool that your family has been so successful in the marriage department.
I thought my family was pretty exemplary in the divorce department for many years until I dipped into genealogy and found that a set of great-grandparents (mental illness, apparently) and a set of great-great-great grandparents (a scandalous OoW birth) got divorced. The latter pair continued to live together. Of the five cousins in my generation, two of us never married, and there were five divorces among the remaining three. Probably not an encouraging trend.
I have told my story before but after my mom died at 89 the kids found out she had been married two times before Dad. Wow and she never said anything no matter what comments we made about marriage. She and my Dad were married 61 years.
My husband has found several "interesing" items in his genealogy research.
Apparently, for some people, the third time is indeed the charm. Allen Ludden was Betty White's third husband.
I am working with others on getting testing and vaccination requirements in the public schools removed with some success. Additionally I am lobbying the nearest state university to lift their mask mandate. And I am contacting private companies I do business with asking them to lift mask mandates for their employees.
Quite a few people are thanking me for my efforts, which have garnered me some press attention as well.
For a few years I felt I had the time and energy to do something and prayed to God to show me my purpose. Prayers answered!
For a few years I felt I had the time and energy to do something and prayed to God to show me my purpose. Prayers answered!
That reminds me of my favorite bible verse. ‘For it is better that many additional people should die of a terrible disease than that one should be made to don a small piece of cloth.’ Stupidicies. 2:10.
Teacher Terry
3-7-22, 1:13pm
JP, I love your biblical quote:)).
Mad applause from the cheap seats, jp1.
My library is looking for a director so I am going to go to Trustees of Libraries meetings and advocate that they hire someone who is welcoming to all, masked or unmasked. I also plan to discuss a book each time as that may be a way to reach their hearts. My first choice is one about Ebola - you know, a real pandemic, not a respiratory virus that's a little more virulent than the regular flu.
My first choice is one about Ebola - you know, a real pandemic, not a respiratory virus that's a little more virulent than the regular flu.
You are either remarkably uninformed, or deliberately being an edgelord.
iris lilies
3-7-22, 2:12pm
My library is looking for a director so I am going to go to Trustees of Libraries meetings and advocate that they hire someone who is welcoming to all, masked or unmasked. I also plan to discuss a book each time as that may be a way to reach their hearts. My first choice is one about Ebola - you know, a real pandemic, not a respiratory virus that's a little more virulent than the regular flu.
Please do not take up board time by “ discussing a book.” They may listen politely with smiles plastered on their faces, but i guarantee you it will dilute your main message. Be succint in your message Then get off the stage.
Please do not take up board time by “ discussing a book.” They may listen politely with smiles plastered on their faces, but i guarantee you it will dilute your main message. Be succint in your message Then get off the stage.
Having served on such boards for ages now, I can assure you that the boards quickly identify the hobby-horse-riding nutcases, and pretty much ignore them thereafter, while smiling and nodding. (Unless they have to have the nutcase physically removed from the premises, which has happened before...)
Please do not take up board time by “ discussing a book.” They may listen politely with smiles plastered on their faces, but i guarantee you it will dilute your main message. Be succint in your message Then get off the stage.
I am more going to refer to it and one of its central theses rather than discuss it. Poor choice of words on my part. And I am going to encourage them to read it when I return it to the library.
happystuff
3-8-22, 11:45am
You are either remarkably uninformed, or deliberately being an edgelord.
"Edgelord" - had to look it up and is my new word for the day. Thanks!
My complaint to the state licensing board for nurses regarding a nurse on the Board of Health was dismissed as insufficient evidence. My efforts to bring these unelected dictators to account continue.
iris lilies
3-8-22, 6:50pm
Having served on such boards for ages now, I can assure you that the boards quickly identify the hobby-horse-riding nutcases, and pretty much ignore them thereafter, while smiling and nodding. (Unless they have to have the nutcase physically removed from the premises, which has happened before...)
If I were Jeppy I would be pursuing the exemption angle much harder than she is.
If jeppy cannot wear a mask because it is overly constricting to her breathing then she should be working within her existing state law which, if I remember correctly, allows for exemptions, to put pressure on local jurisdictions to respect that exemption. I don’t know how the exemption is defined.
Of course the library board doesn’t have to go by the state law, they can make their own local policy stricter and require everyone to wear a mask. But I think the fact of the state recognizes exemptions is worth exploring and pursuing.
IL I am also pursuing the exemption issue through my complaint filed with the Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination. However, that is on average an 18 month process and I am only two months in so I am pursuing other avenues as well.
The mask mandate has been lifted in the city and thus the library, but I am concerned it could be put in place again in the future.
Fannie Lou Hamer is my hero these days. She said, "Nobody's free until everybody's free." Spoke at length with an officer at my bank today because their unvaccinated employees are forced to wear masks. I didn't get anywhere but I have not given up. She will hear from me again.
You could always just enjoy the fact that you no longer need to wear a mask at the library and find a more gratifying hobby.
iris lilies
3-8-22, 7:18pm
You could always just enjoy the fact that you no longer need to wear a mask at the library and find a more gratifying hobby.
:~)
ApatheticNoMore
3-8-22, 7:53pm
Imagine taking up a tireless campaign, to make everyone's life worse for no personal gain (like the bank workers wanted you butting in) and not even getting paid for it.
$elling out for a payoff at least I would understand. But not even getting paid for it ... (or maybe just not since Russian sanctions, it's a tough job market for trolls these days!)
My complaint to the state licensing board for nurses regarding a nurse on the Board of Health was dismissed as insufficient evidence. My efforts to bring these unelected dictators to account continue.
That is just an asshat move. Taking up the time of the Board with foolishness, potentially endangering the nurse's career for the rest of their days, and perhaps getting them placed on administrative leave while the complaint is adjudicated.
Shame, shame, shame.
Imagine taking up a tireless campaign, to make everyone's life worse for no personal gain (like the bank workers wanted you butting in) and not even getting paid for it.
Our local banks would simply have closed out Yppej's account, told them they were no longer welcomed on the premises, and "trespassed" them with the Sheriff.
Imagine taking up a tireless campaign, to make everyone's life worse for no personal gain (like the bank workers wanted you butting in) and not even getting paid for it.
$elling out for a payoff at least I would understand. But not even getting paid for it ... (or maybe just not since Russian sanctions, it's a tough job market for trolls these days!)
The frontline bank employee I spoke with was so appreciative. She couldn't believe I cared about her and was asking about her wearing a mask not my having to wear a mask. She said no one cared before.
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You could always just enjoy the fact that you no longer need to wear a mask at the library and find a more gratifying hobby.
I filed the complaints while the mask mandate was still in effect. It takes a while for them to be processed and for me to be notified of the outcome.
Others are going after my City's bond. In Boston people opposed to the vaccine mandate are suing the city for $6 million each:
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2022/03/08/lawsuit-anti-vaxers-want-6-million-each-for-alleged-harm-caused-by-bostons-indoor-vaccine-mandate/
So you see I am actually pretty moderate.
The only thing I filed after the mandate was lifted was an open meeting law complaint. The chauvinistic chair would only let men speak during public comment before they cast their votes. Women were not allowed to speak until the end of the meeting after votes were already taken. You can't make this stuff up. I had no idea how badly my city was run until I started attending meetings.
I support Yppej strongly in any of their efforts to enforce public meeting/records actions.
ApatheticNoMore
3-9-22, 1:04am
The frontline bank employee I spoke with was so appreciative. She couldn't believe I cared about her and was asking about her wearing a mask not my having to wear a mask. She said no one cared before.
and all the other bank employees who don't want to be made more unsafe because they got rid of masks. We don't even know that getting rid of them is a majority opinion much less anything everyone would agree on.
and all the other bank employees who don't want to be made more unsafe because they got rid of masks. We don't even know that getting rid of them is a majority opinion much less anything everyone would agree on.
Paranoia should not trump liberty.
People can - get vaccinated, get boosted, get their free Biden N95 masks and wear them like health care workers in the covid wards do. These things work if they are nervous.
ETA and they are only making the unvaxxed wear masks despite the fact vaxxed people can still contract and transmit covid. Roughly half the covid hospitalizations in my state are for breakthrough infections (a lot of these incidental covid).
Seriously though, Jeppy, just think of all the things you couldn't enjoy last year due to mask mandates that you can do this year. Hopefully you will have a very good year.
Use your power for good Jeppy. Not to destroy other people's livelihoods or hassle volunteers who have freely given up their free time to help the community. Use your power to create joy. Make people glad to see you. You are good with the English language, why not volunteer to help Literacy Volunteers of the Montachusett area? Help someone to read, help someone to become a US citizen. That's a lasting impact and legacy you could be proud of.
Use your power for good Jeppy. Not to destroy other people's livelihoods or hassle volunteers who have freely given up their free time to help the community. Use your power to create joy. Make people glad to see you. You are good with the English language, why not volunteer to help Literacy Volunteers of the Montachusett area? Help someone to read, help someone to become a US citizen. That's a lasting impact and legacy you could be proud of.
I volunteered for literacy volunteers in the past and they never got back to me.
I volunteered for a City board years ago and no one ever got back to me.
The City committees are cliques. Because I have only lived in the City 24 years and not my entire life they would not pick me. There is a select group that holds the positions and they use it to lord their power over other people. Another factor is I have a Protestant background and most of the in group all went to the Catholic schools. This is one reason they do such a poor job of managing the public schools. They didn't attend them and their kids don't either. It is not "helping the community". It is actually hurting the community and either benefitting themselves in the case of paid positions, or their relatives and cronies if they vote on contracts and appropriations, or their political donors if in elected office, or it is to make themselves feel important by lording their power over other people. And for some it is a social outlet where they sit around and pat each other on the back and say the local equivalent of "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie!" even though they're not. They decide in advance of the meetings how they will vote and it doesn't matter the public comment they receive. It is all about them and the opposite of service.
Slowly I will get back to normal. My skin has improved some since the last time I had to wear a mask to one of their meetings, but it's not 100% yet.
happystuff
3-9-22, 11:24am
Use your power for good Jeppy. Not to destroy other people's livelihoods or hassle volunteers who have freely given up their free time to help the community. Use your power to create joy. Make people glad to see you. You are good with the English language, why not volunteer to help Literacy Volunteers of the Montachusett area? Help someone to read, help someone to become a US citizen. That's a lasting impact and legacy you could be proud of.
If you haven't noticed, based on her posts, jeppy isn't into "helping" others. Maybe losing the mask will allow her to lose some of the past selfishness that she has so prominently displayed during covid.
If you haven't noticed, based on her posts, jeppy isn't into "helping" others. Maybe losing the mask will allow her to lose some of the past selfishness that she has so prominently displayed during covid.
The only people being forced to wear masks now in NYC are toddlers. But hey, the covidians aren't selfish or irrational - everyone else is.
The only people being forced to wear masks now in NYC are toddlers. But hey, the covidians aren't selfish or irrational - everyone else is.
Shouldn’t you be out jumping up and down and dancing in the streets celebrating your freedumb?
Shouldn’t you be out jumping up and down and dancing in the streets celebrating your freedumb?
"Nobody's free until everybody's free" - Fannie Lou Hamer
"No one is free until we are all free" - Martin Luther King Jr
"Until we are all free, we are none of us free" - Emma Lazarus
"Nobody's free until everybody's free" - Fannie Lou Hamer
"No one is free until we are all free" - Martin Luther King Jr
"Until we are all free, we are none of us free" - Emma Lazarus
In other words you'll be whining about masks until we're all dead and buried.
In other words you'll be whining about masks until we're all dead and buried.
I am optimistic that mask mandates will all go away eventually, even as paranoid people continue to voluntarily wear them forever.
The thumping the Dems will get this November should help.
I am optimistic that mask mandates will all go away eventually, even as paranoid people continue to voluntarily wear them forever.
The thumping the Dems will get this November should help.
So eventually you'll finally shut the **** up about masks? Or are you gonna be like the whiney-ass truckers and keep complaining even after the mandates go away?
ApatheticNoMore
3-10-22, 2:10am
yeppej is now convinced she's MLK ....
So eventually you'll finally shut the **** up about masks? Or are you gonna be like the whiney-ass truckers and keep complaining even after the mandates go away?
Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.
yeppej is now convinced she's MLK ....
I'm more like the NAACP which was founded by white people to help oppressed black people, because I am now fighting mandates imposed on unvaccinated people although I myself am vaxxed.
I thought I had heard that there was only one state mask mandate left, and that there were plans for ending that one. Every locality and business can set their own rules. As a former local government flak-catcher who’s been mau-maued on everything from stoplights to the constitutionality of property taxes, I learned to accept the Jeppys of the world as the price of democracy. Call it the messiness of freedom versus the safety and order of the hive.
I thought I had heard that there was only one state mask mandate left, and that there were plans for ending that one. Every locality and business can set their own rules. As a former local government flak-catcher who’s been mau-maued on everything from stoplights to the constitutionality of property taxes, I learned to accept the Jeppys of the world as the price of democracy. Call it the messiness of freedom versus the safety and order of the hive.
Correct - Hawaii's is going away later this month.
However - there are still other mask mandates in place:
Federal covering transportation and medical settings (including the dentist though as soon as they start working on your teeth you have to take off the mask - talk about pointless)
Local - primarily impacting students and those in daycares
Nongovernmental - these include the control freaks at my bank micromanaging their employees, many universities, etc
And there are other covid restrictions as well - certain groups are subject to mandatory testing even if asymptomatic. Individuals testing positive are also subject to isolation or quarantine. If you want to make decisions based on consultations with your doctor, employer, and family, get a self-test and don't report it to the government. They will not even let you outside of your house to work in your yard on your own property.
As a former local government flak-catcher who’s been mau-maued on everything from stoplights to the constitutionality of property taxes, I learned to accept the Jeppys of the world as the price of democracy. Call it the messiness of freedom versus the safety and order of the hive.
True, at least Yppej isn't showing up doing the whole Sovereign Citizen business. Those folks were frequent visitors around here, and more-than-a-bit batty.
The Feds are leaking to the press that they are going to extend the mask mandate on transit through April 18th. Expect more fights on planes and diverted flights. I attribute this to pressure from the flight attendants union.
If anyone deserves to be listened to, it's the flight attendants who have to deal with these airborne troublemakers.
In my fantasies, passengers who protest to the degree of causing other passengers to duct-tape them to a seat should be dealt with by handing them a parachute and escorting them to the nearest escape hatch.
If anyone deserves to be listened to, it's the flight attendants who have to deal with these airborne troublemakers.
In my fantasies, passengers who protest to the degree of causing other passengers to duct-tape them to a seat should be dealt with by handing them a parachute and escorting them to the nearest escape hatch.
Given the cost-reductions airlines have been doing the past few years, I'd expect them to charge for the parachute :-)
If anyone deserves to be listened to, it's the flight attendants who have to deal with these airborne troublemakers.
In my fantasies, passengers who protest to the degree of causing other passengers to duct-tape them to a seat should be dealt with by handing them a parachute and escorting them to the nearest escape hatch.
You would think they would want the mandate to go away to stop all the flight disruptions but they're not that logical.
ApatheticNoMore
3-10-22, 4:53pm
Imagine thinking people privileged enough to be taking flights (though on ordinary commercial airlines) should have more say over this than those actually working as flight attendants and the union that represents them.
True, at least Yppej isn't showing up doing the whole Sovereign Citizen business. Those folks were frequent visitors around here, and more-than-a-bit batty.
We had a lot of trouble with them, filing bogus liens, paying taxes in fake currency, etc. We had one guy set his dogs on highway workers doing reflectivity checks on road signs. Thought they were marking him for the black helicopters.
I’ll take mask paranoia over that anytime. Some of those guys were scary.
We had a lot of trouble with them, filing bogus liens, paying taxes in fake currency, etc. We had one guy set his dogs on highway workers doing reflectivity checks on road signs. Thought they were marking him for the black helicopters.
I’ll take mask paranoia over that anytime. Some of those guys were scary.
Ya, they would parade into my meetings open-carrying both handguns and rifles, which was just foolishness.
You would think they would want the mandate to go away to stop all the flight disruptions but they're not that logical.
They seem worlds away more logical than the anti-maskers, who knew the rules.
Imagine thinking people privileged enough to be taking flights (though on ordinary commercial airlines) should have more say over this than those actually working as flight attendants and the union that represents them.
The customer is always right.
The customer is always right.
Nope. It is perfectly acceptable to fire customers. Some of my most successful companies, famed for their customer service, would decline business from asshat customers who were causing issues and helpfully send them to our competitors.
the quotation is "the customer is always right IN MATTERS OF TASTE." The incorrect misquotation and entitled attitude should die a swift death
the quotation is "the customer is always right IN MATTERS OF TASTE." The incorrect misquotation and entitled attitude should die a swift death
I've been led to believe "the customer is always right" is not a direct quotation of anyone, but rather a truncated customer service maxim attributed to at least a half dozen early retailers. I'd be interested in seeing the source of your variation.
I've been led to believe "the customer is always right" is not a direct quotation of anyone, but rather a truncated customer service maxim attributed to at least a half dozen early retailers. I'd be interested in seeing the source of your variation.
This reminds me of back in my retail days, the store manager actually told us before opening for the day that "the customer is always right" maxim was a variable of something else but didn't elaborate. This was after he ejected a particular problematic customer from the store and one staff person asked him "well, what about this customer is always right thing?"
We deal with all sorts of customers at my job. One is a murderer who killed two people, a few others are shoplifters. We have to make sure there are at least two people in the part of the store they are in and keep an eye on them.
I have two meetings this week, Board of Health and Library Trustees. (I missed the last library meeting due to snow.) This trustees meeting they are holding an hour and a half after the library closes when the building will be locked, which is a violation of open meeting law. Not to worry - I am on it and if I don't get access I will file an open meeting law complaint.
iris lilies
3-15-22, 11:02pm
I have two meetings this week, Board of Health and Library Trustees. (I missed the last library meeting due to snow.) This trustees meeting they are holding an hour and a half after the library closes when the building will be locked, which is a violation of open meeting law. Not to worry - I am on it and if I don't get access I will file an open meeting law complaint.
How do you know you cant get into the building? They may have a security guard posted at the door to let members of the public in. That’s one option, happens all the time.
No guard but I got the access issue resolved.
Remaining Board of Health mandates lifted but they are shaking in their panicky, cowardly boots at the mild BA2 and I wouldn't be surprised if we have to go through this whole fight again. Next front is the School Committee and not having a child in the system I will leave that to others though if they file a petition I will go speak on behalf of it.
The nearest college partially lifted its mask mandate, supposedly based on a student survey - no grounds for me to challenge that.
I got nowhere with state officials on changing their guidance which my bank follows.
Waiting to hear back from businesses I wish to patronize. If Rand Paul's mask transportation bill gets enacted that would open up skydiving for me.
Waiting to hear on two remaining complaints I filed about the BOH.
Was invited to join an anti-vax group that goes around and does protests. That could be my next thing. I'm not sure.
ETA Ashish Jha is a Massachusetts resident who advocated for lifting mask mandates in the schools his kids attend. His appointment today could be a good thing.
The Crazy Times are upon us.
happystuff
3-17-22, 8:23pm
The Crazy Times are upon us.
There is a youtube video for everything, it seems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeKU0nwY91U
iris lilies
3-17-22, 11:02pm
Jeppy have you anxiously been awaiting the reopening of skydiving in your area?
ToomuchStuff
3-18-22, 12:57am
Jeppy have you anxiously been awaiting the reopening of skydiving in your area?
Probably not, they make you wear parachutes.
Jeppy have you anxiously been awaiting the reopening of skydiving in your area?
It reopens in April. I was hoping when the transportation mask mandate expired March 18th it would not be renewed. It was. I emailed the CDC why not lift it for travel within a state? Then you aren't worried about movement between high and lower transmission regions of the country, but they did not answer. The only part of New England that is red on the CDC map is far northern Maine.
We have had some great days to go out already. Today it should hit 70. So I know April will be even bettet.
Maybe Rand Paul will bail me out with his bill.
iris lilies
3-18-22, 4:36pm
Probably not, they make you wear parachutes.
Good one!
iris lilies
3-18-22, 4:43pm
This will make you happy, jep.
Today I got special invitation from Missouri Botanical Garden to come and work in the Iris beds. I had turned down their kind invitation last year because they actually expected their slave labor to wear a #%&$$**@! mask when outdoors, doing garden work.
Do their weeding AND be completely uncomfortable all for no pay? Nope. When I stopped by the beds last year they look like hell So I’m thinking they didn’t have good luck in recruiting mask wearing volunteers.
But for 2022, this year, they lifted the mask requirement except in places where social distancing isn’t possible. Whatever that means. I still have not agreed to do their dirty work for them. It is true that MoBot has hundreds of volunteers who do a lot of weeding, and I’ve been on the Iris bed maintenance crew light in past years, but no more. This year I have way too much going on in my own life to do their work. I may go by at times in May and deadhead though, I enjoy deadheading.
Next year I can probably set aside more time to work in those beds but they are just gonna have to get the entire iris section ready for the region 18 American Iris Society conference without me.
Probably not, they make you wear parachutes.
And likely a helmet, goggles, AAD, altimeter, and sensible shoes.
Fascists!
Went to interviews of both library director candidates. The field is woke now. They say things like we want LGBTQ events every month not just one month a year. I didn't even know there was an LGBTQ month. They also promised women's events every month, minority events every month. They are going to have to find one or two people who can check all the boxes at once because the city is poor and is lucky to have one event a month. What happened to things with wide appeal like bringing animals in for the kids to interact with?
Went to interviews of both library director candidates. The field is woke now....
So many things to unpack in Yppej's screed there that we'd need a moving company.
But, do carry on, it's important for people to witness...
So many things to unpack in Yppej's screed there that we'd need a moving company.
But, do carry on, it's important for people to witness...
It must really fascinate you because you keep coming to my thread. Whiney whine is now on page 43!
It must really fascinate you because you keep coming to my thread.
I put it down as "continuing education" for the ongoing mental health training requirements I have to meet each year, no worries.
I ran into a real honest-to-goodness serious Flat Earther the other day, now *that* was fascinating.
iris lilies
3-18-22, 9:49pm
Went to interviews of both library director candidates. The field is woke now. They say things like we want LGBTQ events every month not just one month a year. I didn't even know there was an LGBTQ month. They also promised women's events every month, minority events every month. They are going to have to find one or two people who can check all the boxes at once because the city is poor and is lucky to have one event a month. What happened to things with wide appeal like bringing animals in for the kids to interact with?
I always liked the “Read to a dog” Program although I don’t know if we had one at central library. I like the idea of it anyway. But all that is passé and we have drag queens doing story hours now. Soon that will be passe’ and something else au current will take its place in fact, that’s probably out of trend by now.
A local panhandler has started wearing a mask. Follow the science - or the bleeding heart liberals.
Monday I send off a follow-up on my second open meeting law complaint (there is a specific time window to do this).
This month the City Council will be considering an ordinance that would give the Board of Health more power. I will go speak against that. It would allow them to do things like place liens on people's properties without going to court. We have already lost a lot of restaurants because of their fanaticism - things like this sink needs to be moved one foot over. The businesses relocate to adjacent, normal communities.
On the positive front a new library director has been selected so the fanatic will be retiring in about 5 weeks time. I have also heard that the mayor says he doesn't know how many more terms he has left in him.
Most people keep their mask in their back pocket or the bottom of their purse. They wear the same one again and again without cleaning it.
Anyone musical here who could do a parody of "Love that Dirty Water"?
"Love that dirty masking ...."
Most people keep their mask in their back pocket or the bottom of their purse. They wear the same one again and again without cleaning
Source? Just because that’s what you do doesn’t mean that’s what everyone does.
Source? Just because that’s what you do doesn’t mean that’s what everyone does.
Observation over 2 years. Unlike you I am out in the public every weekday. I'm one of those essential workers who does the grunt work for the work from home laptop class while you bash us. If the Republicans sweep the midterms it will be because the Dems turned into a party of corporatists looking out for big pharma, unelected technocrats, health dictators, big media censors, and anti-union giant companies like Amazon who used the pandemic to drive small competitors out of business. It's the most elitist the party has ever been and I predict populists will shun it in droves. Look at Virginia, the canary in the coal mine with Youngkin. Nobody likes your party except other members of the laptop class like you.
frugal-one
4-23-22, 6:12pm
Watch the April 22nd (I believe) episode of Rachel Maddow and you would hesitate to ever vote for a republican again.
Watch the April 22nd (I believe) episode of Rachel Maddow and you would hesitate to ever vote for a republican again.
I’m sure there are republicans here who would just shout ‘FAKE NEWS’
Watch the April 22nd (I believe) episode of Rachel Maddow and you would hesitate to ever vote for a republican again.
I’m sure there are republicans here who would just shout ‘FAKE NEWS’
Would anyone care to elaborate? Most of us don't watch Maddow and when I tried to watch highlights of the April 22nd show on YouTube it was just Ali Velshi talking about Russian oligarchs committing suicide.
frugal-one
4-24-22, 2:27am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDmzOjbxBuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYMxzj0uiaU
ETA.. There is more but could only find highlights on YT…. There was a part where McCarthy called Trump an SOB but 3 weeks later McCarthy backpedalled and was meeting and cozying up to Trump. Kinda reminds me when lawmakers we’re ushered to safety on the 6th and were saying they feared for their lives and later recanted and said it was no big deal.
Or when Lindsay Graham called Trump "bat shit crazy" during the primaries. What happened, Lindsay?
So happy to see my bank teller maskless today.
So happy to see my bank teller maskless today.
Bank teller? That job still exists?
ApatheticNoMore
4-29-22, 8:14pm
Bank teller? That job still exists?
I'm not sure exactly how else one would get quarters to do laundry.
I'm not sure exactly how else one would get quarters to do laundry.
Apparently all the cool kids have moved to some demented laundry-debit-card system. (I discovered when I attempted to use the commercial-sized machine at the local laundromat a couple years back... Alas, the card-loading machine was broken, so, basically the same as it ever was :-) )
I'm not sure exactly how else one would get quarters to do laundry.
Back in the day when I needed quarters for laundry I bought them when I was at the laundry store. They had a machine that would convert $5 and $10 bills.
The only time I’ve been to a bank in the last 25 years was to deposit a check that was too large for their app deposit function. Even buying a house did not necessitate a trip to a bank.
The only time I’ve been to a bank in the last 25 years was to deposit a check that was too large for their app deposit function. Even buying a house did not necessitate a trip to a bank.
I only go into the bank if I:
- need to access my safe deposit box
- get large sums of cash, or deposit large sums of cash
- get something notarized
- have to sign paperwork
Most everything else I do online with the bank's app. Or sometimes the drive-up deposit window.
ToomuchStuff
4-29-22, 10:07pm
Go to the bank (either me or I send one of the help) to get a change order for the business, once a week. I go to mine, about every two weeks, to deposit my check, get some cash back, and whatever else I need to do.
Family member is back to a bank teller. Her old branch closed and to keep that job, required a longer drive, that the time and money cost, made it better to drop down to just a teller, and be closer to their elderly parent, their house, etc.
I go to mine, about every two weeks, to deposit my check, get some cash back, and whatever else I need to do.
Does your employer not offer direct deposit?
ToomuchStuff
4-30-22, 11:07am
Does your employer not offer direct deposit?
No we don't and I am my employer.
We have an accountant, not a professional payroll service. Most small accountants are not set up for direct deposit.
ApatheticNoMore
4-30-22, 1:33pm
We are a smallish company but outsource much of the HR, so there is direct deposit.
I have a laundry and dryer in the apartment building so I'm not usually having to go to laundry mats (it's actually one of my apartment requirements: on site parking, on site washer and dryer, A/C - well it's just a windowbox A/C, but then I didn't say central A/C though it would be nice). But then that means I have to get quarters at the bank.
ToomuchStuff
4-30-22, 1:40pm
Define small?
We are under 15 people, total.
Took my car in for service today. So much better than last time when there was a mask mandate. No one was wearing one today - customers, service advisors, salespeople, mechanics all breathing freely. Most people only wore masks because they were forced to. It's abnormal and does not have the support of the American people.
The dealership is in a blue town in a blue state.
frugal-one
5-14-22, 3:46pm
Went to the grocery store today and no one was wearing a mask (except me)... acting like the pandemic is over. My neighbor just called and she has COVID. I am going to continue to be cautious. My system may be run down after the recent TIA and thyroid is out of whack.
Covid is a coronavirus, same as the common cold. It was only dangerous to most people when it was novel. We've all been exposed so it's not novel anymore. Life goes on.
Couldn't get a clear answer from Enfield Shaker Museum in Enfield, NH on whether they would require masks or not. Told them I'm not going to use expensive gas to go there and find out once I arrive that they're required. Crossed that place off my list.
Have not put in for vacation for this year yet because unfortunately there are still a fair number of covidians in New England. They tend to be managerial types who sit maskless working on their laptops at home but want other people to wear masks and unfortunately have the power to impose those requirements. Then they wonder why they can't find employees (or customers). I want an enjoyable vacation with a sense of normalcy. I have a feeling I will be hiking a lot, not that that is a bad thing, but some variety in activities is nice also. Will see how things go.
I hear that north Korea’s currently a great hotspot for covid deniers to vacation. Look forward to hearing your travelogue of your maskless visit. Don’t bother sending a postcard saying ‘wish you were here’ because the shitshow that’s unrolling there isn’t my idea of a good time.
Also off my list - The Royall House and Slave Quarters (will even make people wear masks outdoors in the summer heat on the tour - guess they are demonstrating slavery to a mask) and the Clara Barton Home (birthplace). Waiting to hear from a few others.
Lots of people I know go to South Carolina. One guy went on a cruise which to me is high risk. But I am sticking to my green initiative of vacationing closer to home every year.
rosarugosa
5-19-22, 6:35am
Jeppy: In the Berkshires, Ashintully Gardens is all outdoors and free, and Berkshire Botanical Gardens is all outdoors, and I believe it is free on Tuesdays.
Thanks RR, but due to my green challenge I am now vacationing closer to home than the Berkshires. My radius includes parts of Massachusetts as well as southern New Hampshire, where they have a nice live free or die philosophy many places.
Private businesses should absolutely have the right to turn me away if I don't wear a mask, and they will not get my business. And when the economy goes into a recession all these nice extras like historic houses will be in trouble and I will not feel one bit sorry.
rosarugosa
5-20-22, 6:20am
I think you are in the north central part of MA? These are a couple of places I have bookmarked that might be within your range.
https://forestsociety.org/property/madame-sherri-forest
https://www.nps.gov/places/dana-common.htm
Thanks Rosa. Those look interesting.
Despite covid cases rising my Board of Health is not even meeting this month. They may have learned their lesson. I have put in for a vacation next month as I do not think I will need my days for a hunger strike.
I found two doctors in the county east of me, affiliated with a different hospital system, accepting my insurance and new patients and emailed through the portal to see if they will take me as a patient maskfree. So no postage costs this time. Have not tried anyone in NH yet.
The City Council will be voting on the budget soon and I plan to attend and ask them to defund the Board of Health. It would save us close to a million dollars. This does not include trash pickup, which is a separate line item in the budget for $2 million+ more.
Yppej, I thought of you last week. Third time visiting this new doctor in Maine. She has never allowed me to take my mask off. I told my husband, I could have no lower jaw for all she knows. . .
iris lilies
5-25-22, 1:38pm
Yppej, I thought of you last week. Third time visiting this new doctor in Maine. She has never allowed me to take my mask off. I told my husband, I could have no lower jaw for all she knows. . .
Then she all need to come to see my physician in Missouri. Her staff of 3 who sat in the exam room with me whipped off their masks after asking me if it was OK with me if they did so. The second time I went no one in there was wearing a mask and there was not even a conversation about it.
Then she all need to come to see my physician in Missouri. Her staff of 3 who sat in the exam room with me whipped off their masks after asking me if it was OK with me if they did so. The second time I went no one in there was wearing a mask and there was not even a conversation about it.
If the price of gas were lower I might consider it. At one time I was trying to get in with an eye doctor in West Virginia but then after responding initially they ghosted me.
Our main system is down at work today and I have lots of time so I figured this was a sign from God that I should spend some more time working on finding a doctor. I located 4 doctors in New Hampshire within a half hour to 45 minutes of my home who take my insurance and are accepting new patients. I am writing letters to them to see if they will take me as a maskfree patient. I told them if they accept me I will be grateful and even if Massachusetts later lifts its mask mandate for health care settings I will stick with them.
Filed another open meeting law complaint. Within 10 days of someone requesting minutes they are supposed to be provided, but that isn't happening. They aren't being posted to the City website either.
Have an appointment next month for a phone intake for another discrimination complaint. Board of Health chair was letting men speak at the meeting but not women and also at another meeting when one man spoke on a topic he was not reprimanded but when I did I was. You would think in a blue state gender discrimination wouldn't be so blatant. You would be wrong.
A little glimmer of hope. Got a voice mail from one of the doctors I wrote to in NH. He is not taking new patients, but referred me to an urgent care clinic he goes to a couple days a week that does not require masks unless the patient has an active respiratory infection.
I emailed them to see if they will take my insurance and if they do annual physicals.
Fingers crossed!
This would be about 45 minutes from my house.
Could not get out of the urgent care center the name they would bill under to verify with my insurance company that my visit would be covered.
I am hoping where I heard from one doctor in NH I may yet hear from the others. This one was in a city in NH that has at times had a mask mandate, so one of the others might be better for consistency of maskfreeness.
I told the City Council to defund the Board of Health but they didn't do it.
Finally got the information requested from the urgent care center and I am ready to book if they will confirm for me they bill the insurance directly, rather than my having to pay and then seek reimbursement. I emailed on that yesterday and still no answer. No other doctors have responded to me.
No word back since last Wednesday from urgent care. Later this week I will meet with a group from eastern Mass looking for help on filing petitions etc to get their anti-covid mandate concerns heard by local government.
No word back since last Wednesday from urgent care. Later this week I will meet with a group from eastern Mass looking for help on filing petitions etc to get their anti-covid mandate concerns heard by local government.
That’s so cool that you’re putting god’s pro-death desires into action. Maybe you can branch out and start encouraging more school shootings. If you start doing that you’ll soon be a true Republican.
That’s so cool that you’re putting god’s pro-death desires into action. Maybe you can branch out and start encouraging more school shootings. If you start doing that you’ll soon be a true Republican.
Actually, the conspiracy theory is that Democrats encourage school shootings since leaking the Supreme Court abortion decision didn't help them in the polls. For instance, it is said that the Police Chief who told the officers to wait in the hall instead of going in and stopping the gunman was a supporter of Beto O'Rourke's.
You've got to work harder to keep up with these things JP.
Actually, the conspiracy theory is that Democrats encourage school shootings since leaking the Supreme Court abortion decision didn't help them in the polls. For instance, it is said that the Police Chief who told the officers to wait in the hall instead of going in and stopping the gunman was a supporter of Beto O'Rourke's.
You've got to work harder to keep up with these things JP.
Lol. It was that traitor Ginny Thomas that leaked. Keep up.
By the way, I’d like to thank you. I don’t have the patience to go read what the stupid Q ****tards are posting on 4chan and the like. Having you share it here is a nice way of getting the readers’ digest condensed version.
I am not on 4chat.
Why not? From what I understand you’d fit right in there. Except maybe the white supremacy part. But the rest of the conspiracy theory part of it is right up your alley.
ApatheticNoMore
6-6-22, 11:23pm
By the way, I’d like to thank you. I don’t have the patience to go read what the stupid Q ****tards are posting on 4chan and the like. Having you share it here is a nice way of getting the readers’ digest condensed version.
it's a bit hard, not to have an interest in stuff that is completely inane. Because meh, why should I bother, how will this add to my understanding of the world in any way? Boring .... (unlike my bf who likes to hear about cults and conspiracies without really believing in most of them)
But then one isn't up to date if conspiracy theories and other baseless nonsense is driving parts of the culture. :0!
Yesterday a nine year old declined to wear a mask at a Boston Public School. The police were called and the school was put in lockdown.
These covidians are unreal.
Actually, a professional protestor and alleged police assaulter used her 9 year old cousin as a prop to protest masks.
Actually, a professional protestor and alleged police assaulter used her 9 year old cousin as a prop to protest masks.
Not so. The child was texting relatives from inside the school for help after being harassed.
How does a person get to be a "professional" protestor? Like they're paid to do this? It's what they do for a living? Sign me up!
iris lilies
6-8-22, 2:32pm
Not so. The child was texting relatives from inside the school for help after being harassed.
How does a person get to be a "professional" protestor? Like they're paid to do this? It's what they do for a living? Sign me up!
Jeppy you need to look to our city’s professional protesters for guidance. Start with Bruce Franks, My former representative in the state house, who resigned to go onto a bigger and better career protesting in places that include .Rob’s city.
Jeppy you need to look to our city’s professional protesters for guidance. Start with Bruce Franks, My former representative in the state house, who resigned to go onto a bigger and better career protesting in places that include .Rob’s city.
I looked him up. Are you sure he is paid to protest, and isn't living off proceeds from his rap battles?
The brave 9 year old shamed Boston Mayor Wu into dropping the school mask mandate. Children in a few other communities are still suffering, and we have mandates even in outpatient settings including dentists (where as soon as they start working on your teeth they have to take off the mask - so stupid). And of course the toddlers in NYC.
"And miles to go before I sleep."
Apparently the reporter who wrote the article I read about the little girl didn’t know what they were talking about. 🤔
Anyone who is so ocd In their desire to put people’s health at risk that they chase the mayor around with a bullhorn on a regular basis and then assaults a cop is a professional protester even if it doesn’t pay much/anything. At least in my book.
My dentist has patients rinse with peroxide per the American dental association guidance because it’s believed to kill the virus in your mouth for the length of time that a dental appointment takes.
iris lilies
6-9-22, 1:22pm
I looked him up. Are you sure he is paid to protest, and isn't living off proceeds from his rap battles?
I imagine Bruce is stringing together income from several sources. Professional protesting is only one income stream for him. He’s such a talented lad!
Masks going away next week for NYC toddlers and the pre-departure testing for international air passengers to the US.
Brookline MA kids are still masked at school though. Aluta continua!
I guess I'm going to need to get another cat before I get on a plane next time...
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I guess I'm going to need to get another cat before I get on a plane next time...
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You could try a hazmat suit. How is Trump to blame for this by the way?
You could try a hazmat suit. How is Trump to blame for this by the way?
Naw. Letting my social distance cat scratch the **** out of the assholes will be good enough for me. Hazmat suit not required.
and the ugly ****tard isn’t responsible for this. He tried his best. Suggesting that we inject bleach and all his other stupid nonsense. But at the end of the day he will just be remembered for his efforts to overthrow the government. Because yay tax cuts or whatever stupidity people chose to pretend matters.
I prepared letters to 8 more doctors in a different area of New Hampshire seeing if they will take me on as a maskfree patient and will mail them out tomorrow. These towns would still be within 45 minutes of my home.
If that doesn't work there are a few other areas of NH I can try that have a stronger libertarian presence. Both are further from home, but one is not that far from where I work, so I could maybe work a half day rather than missing a full day if I get an appointment.
Ontario just lifted its mask mandate in medical settings, so at least some people are starting to see the light.
rosarugosa
6-15-22, 6:58am
Jeppy: I hope you are giving at least some consideration to their credentials/qualifications beyond their position on masks. My auto mechanic doesn't seem to favor masks, but I wouldn't want him for my primary care physician.
Rosa I am looking for someone who takes my insurance and is accepting new patients. I do not have any big medical problems other than possibly with my eyes, which would be an eye doctor, so I am not worried about who my primary care physician is. I just need a paper signed that I have had a physical done to get a lower medical premium from my employer. If I didn't need that I wouldn't even bother looking for a doctor.
If I don't find one I will just pay the higher premiums.
Got a call from another doctor's office in NH that they require masks. Whiney whine whine whine.
rosarugosa
6-19-22, 12:16pm
I know this is probably the virtual equivalent of talking just to hear my own voice, but I feel compelled nevertheless, don't ask me why.
A really good primary care MD is worth his/her weight in gold and can be one of your best resources on this planet. Just because one is so fortunate as to not have a serious health condition today is no guarantee that one will always be so fortunate (and of course some of these conditions become more likely as we grow older). If one does develop a serious health condition, a good PCP is a great ally to already have in place and this won't be the optimal time to begin a search for one. In fact, a good PCP can help to catch a serious health condition before it becomes a more serious or even a terminal condition. My insurance doesn't require a PCP referral to see a specialist, but it's great to have someone we know and trust to help steer us to first-rate specialists when needed.
DH and I might very well not be around if we didn't have our excellent PCP (especially me), and yes, masks are required at the office.
[Rosa steps off of her soapbox]
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