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I should know by 8:15PST tonight if I got elected to the non-partisan position of Fire Commissioner. ...
Dang it all, with the first vote count this evening I have 83% of the vote. My friends running for the other contested positions won by similar amounts.
I guess folks weren't fans of the incumbents after all.
frugal-one
11-8-23, 3:45am
Congrats Bae. Although wondering why you posted this under Why not to vote Democrat?
frugal-one
11-8-23, 3:50am
There are so many differing descriptions of fascism I should be more specific when I mention fascism from the left, I'm referring to the Social Fascism movement of the early 1900's which Stalin described as the "twin brother" of social democracy, which we now see in Democratic Socialism. He believed that fascism depended upon the power of social democracy and social democracy was only possible with the support of fascism. We're seeing an awful lot of that these days in our every day politics.
You and I are both using the term fascism as a pejorative, just applying it to different sides.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Fascism rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries, most notably Germany. Fascism also had adherents outside of Europe. Wikipedia
Congratulations, Bae!
In our state we voted on 8 ballot questions and it was interesting to see a lot of large wins. Think the vote did not line up into Republicans and Dems, more along lines of Mainer voting, if that makes sense.
iris lilies
11-8-23, 9:29am
Dang it all, with the first vote count this evening I have 83% of the vote. My friends running for the other contested positions won by similar amounts.
I guess folks weren't fans of the incumbents after all.
Congratulations bae, I know you’ll do a good job.
Bae, they recognize quality and ability!
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Fascism rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries, most notably Germany. Fascism also had adherents outside of Europe. Wikipedia
Thoughts on Social Fascism
"Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy." ~ Joseph Stalin, 1924
iris lilies
11-8-23, 11:23am
"Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy." ~ Joseph Stalin, 1924
I heard Russian born Konstantin Kisen talk about the fascist authoritarian regime of Stalin. His parents spent time in Siberian villages because his father has been thrown in the Gulag for a while. After Stalin died and Khrushchev came to power, all of Stalin’s fascist, authoritarian brutalization of citizens was revealed.
In his parents little village also lived former guards at the prisons. When these realizations came to light, more than one of the prison guards killed themselves because they were so horrified at the regime they had participated in. When they were working for the regime, they were convinced that what they were doing in the prisons was for the good of their society.
Throwing people in the prisons for wrong think and talking against the government. That is authoritarian brutality.
I see that happening in today’s left. Not in mainstream Democrat circles—yet, exactly—but in Congress’ The Squad and their fans. Freedom of speech is the most important aspect of western culture. We Americans do not realize what is happening in other western countries where tamping down of thought and speech is taking place. Saying the wrong thing in the UK will earn you a call from the police. Maybe they will ask you to come down to the station to talk over your thoughts. And I do not mean speech or thoughts about actively threatening violence to someone else. But they consider “hate speech “is laughable.
people lose their jobs, or have a threat of losing their jobs for speech that it’s not incendiary, but is stupidly labeled. “hate speech “when it is not.
I see that happening in today’s left.
Me too. Everything old is new again.
iris lilies
11-8-23, 11:47am
We boomers have to carry the flag of free-speech because we have nothing to lose. We are not gonna lose our jobs. We are not going to lose serious friends although fringe friends might go by the wayside, but so be it. We are not going to lose our place in the community because frankly, boomers are running the community organizations because the young folks haven’t stepped up to do it.
early morning
11-8-23, 11:55am
Congrats, Bae! Your island is lucky to have you!
I see that happening in today’s left.
Seriously? I see that much much more in today's right. While they double down on "protected speech" - as in, they can say anything racist, bigoted, misogynistic thing they like, and promote lies as facts, while banning books and making it illegal to talk about sex, gender, race, and ACTUAL HISTORY in schools - and you are worried about the left? That sort of makes me laugh.
(and just as an aside - YAY Ohio voters yesterday!)
Congrats, Bae! Your island is lucky to have you!
Seriously? I see that much much more in today's right. While they double down on "protected speech" - as in, they can say anything racist, bigoted, misogynistic thing they like, and promote lies as facts, while banning books and making it illegal to talk about sex, gender, race, and ACTUAL HISTORY in schools - and you are worried about the left? That sort of makes me laugh.
(and just as an aside - YAY Ohio voters yesterday!)
And don't forget about Ron "I will use the full powers of government to attack corporations that say things I don't approve of" DeSantis.
Maoism from the democrats. Those of us in the reality based world can only LOL.
Maoism was a political philosophy preparing the masses for a cultural revolution mainly focusing on the identity politics of class. In this country we're now seeing the principles of Maoism focusing again on identity politics, although this time concentrating on race and gender. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, for the American left everything old is new again.
Maoism was a political philosophy preparing the masses for a cultural revolution mainly focusing on the identity politics of class. In this country we're now seeing the principles of Maoism focusing again on identity politics, although this time concentrating on race and gender. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, for the American left everything old is new again.
And you don't think republicans are attempting a cultural revolution based on race and gender? I guess you didn't get the memo that they're now the white victimhood party and the women shouldn't have bodily autonomy party.
And you don't think republicans are attempting a cultural revolution based on race and gender? I guess you didn't get the memo that they're now the white victimhood party and the women shouldn't have bodily autonomy party.
You're right, I didn't get that memo, and I suspect nor did anyone else.
iris lilies
11-8-23, 5:35pm
You're right, I didn't get that memo, and I suspect nor did anyone else.
I did’nt either. I guess I should blame all of the recent “ unsubscribe” email messages I’ve sent recently.
It is so hard to be an evil Republican when I don’t get the “ how to” memos.Lost without them.
I did’nt either. I guess I should blame all of the recent “ unsubscribe” email messages I’ve sent recently.
It is so hard to be an evil Republican when I don’t get the “ how to” memos.Lost without them.
LOL, over the past 7 or 8 years Google has been hiding all correspondence from my ideological overlords in my Junk E-Mail folder. That might explain it. ;)
Apparently plenty of other people, including both past and potential future trump administration officials got the memo.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/conservative-intellectuals-republicans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9Ew.nI4B. umiBRXjhfugn&smid=url-share
Apparently plenty of other people, including both past and potential future trump administration officials got the memo.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/conservative-intellectuals-republicans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9Ew.nI4B. umiBRXjhfugn&smid=url-share
LOL, a NY Times guest contributor doesn't like Republicans! Who'd a thunk it?
LOL, a NY Times guest contributor doesn't like Republicans! Who'd a thunk it?
And you would dismiss legitimate concerns. Who'd a thunk that? All I can say is thank god Ohio voters respect women's bodily autonomy more than you do. Maybe there is still hope for this country despite some people's best efforts to destroy our freedoms.
frugal-one
11-9-23, 7:41am
And you would dismiss legitimate concerns. Who'd a thunk that? All I can say is thank god Ohio voters respect women's bodily autonomy more than you do. Maybe there is still hope for this country despite some people's best efforts to destroy our freedoms.
Hear Hear!
Apparently plenty of other people, including both past and potential future trump administration officials got the memo.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/conservative-intellectuals-republicans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9Ew.nI4B. umiBRXjhfugn&smid=url-share
I thought that was a good article, for those open minded enough to give it consideration.
And you would dismiss legitimate concerns. Who'd a thunk that? All I can say is thank god Ohio voters respect women's bodily autonomy more than you do. Maybe there is still hope for this country despite some people's best efforts to destroy our freedoms.
In the debate reviews it caught my attention when Haley said..."Wednesday night’s presidential debate that Republicans need to be “honest” about the country’s appetite for abortion restrictions." And I thought, shoot they just need to be honest. Honest about election results, honest about climate change, honest about the integrity of our judicial system, honest about plans to restrict social security and Medicare. It's a long list.
I thought that was a good article, for those open minded enough to give it consideration.
I agree. It was a very good article. But apparently some people aren’t as interested in discussing facts as they claim they are since they dismissed the article out of hand because of its source rather than disputing what was said in the article. I guess I’ll just go back to throwing insults at the traitor party since that’s all their defenders on this board are interested in doing.
LOL, a NY Times guest contributor doesn't like Republicans! Who'd a thunk it?
Well, this is the paper that fired its opinion editor for allowing a Tom Cotton opinion piece. I think it’s safe to say the NYT has a fairly asymmetrical policy on what is and isn’t acceptable.
iris lilies
11-9-23, 10:25am
I thought that was a good article, for those open minded enough to give it consideration.
yes, I agree with the statement below and with other things in the article. As far as catastrophizeing I hardly think there’s a bigger set of catastrophizers than those those who become apoplectic at the idea of Trump and bring him up at every turn. There’s no question that Trump is not suited temperamentally for the top job. But despite the turmoil in the White House, our country chugged along between 2016 and 2020. If you didn’t think it did, then you are catastrophizeing, in my opinion.
“…Those on different sides of these conflicts need to be willing to accept the possibility of losing. That’s the democratic deal: No election is ever the final election…”
But despite the turmoil in the White House, our country chugged along between 2016 and 2020. If you didn’t think it did, then you are catastrophizeing, in my opinion.
“…Those on different sides of these conflicts need to be willing to accept the possibility of losing. That’s the democratic deal: No election is ever the final election…”
I imagine in some respect the courts and his advisers like Mad Dog Mathis can help keep Trump from catastrophe if he were elected. However, I wouldn't judge the Jan. 6 insurrections and subsequent fallout as "chugging along". In my eyes, this was a mockery of the constitution and an illustration of how dangerous the man can be.
iris lilies
11-9-23, 11:45am
I imagine in some respect the courts and his advisers like Mad Dog Mathis can help keep Trump from catastrophe if he were elected. However, I wouldn't judge the Jan. 6 insurrections and subsequent fallout as "chugging along". In my eyes, this was a mockery of the constitution and an illustration of how dangerous the man can be.
It chugged along even until and through the January 6 nonsense.
of course, this article catastrophizes the idea that next time those institutions may not hold. Maybe so.
Well, this is the paper that fired its opinion editor for allowing a Tom Cotton opinion piece. I think it’s safe to say the NYT has a fairly asymmetrical policy on what is and isn’t acceptable.
Cool that you're doubling down on "I am not willing to actually discuss what someone said in an article. I'd rather just dismiss it because I don't like the source." Glad to see that all the sad Magas are consistent.
I imagine in some respect the courts and his advisers like Mad Dog Mathis can help keep Trump from catastrophe if he were elected. However, I wouldn't judge the Jan. 6 insurrections and subsequent fallout as "chugging along". In my eyes, this was a mockery of the constitution and an illustration of how dangerous the man can be.
Agree absolutely, Rogar. It was domestic terrorism.
Cool that you're doubling down on "I am not willing to actually discuss what someone said in an article. I'd rather just dismiss it because I don't like the source." Glad to see that all the sad Magas are consistent.
Yes. That is exactly what the NYT did. I don’t consider myself to be a sad MAGA. I see myself at a relatively cheerful conservative who sees the humor in political and ideological obsessions.
Yes. That is exactly what the NYT did. I don’t consider myself to be a sad MAGA. I see myself at a relatively cheerful conservative who sees the humor in political and ideological obsessions.
Do you find humor in Donald trump’s promises to be an authoritarian thug if he gets re-elected?
Do you find humor in Donald trump’s promises to be an authoritarian thug if he gets re-elected?
Yes. I think a ludicrous baby- man asserting royal prerogatives as he’s being taken to jail is hilarious. I think a congressman claiming he thought pulling a fire alarm would open a door is hilarious. I think a brawl outside the LA Museum of Tolerance is hilarious. I think is hilarious that we aren’t supposed to say “master bedroom”, “field” or “mother”. I think people chanting the slogans of a group who would cheerfully cut their throats is hilarious. I find the moronic tribalism and catastrophizing of our time is silly in the extreme.
iris lilies
11-11-23, 2:36pm
Yes. I think a ludicrous baby- man asserting royal prerogatives as he’s being taken to jail is hilarious. I think a congressman claiming he thought pulling a fire alarm would open a door is hilarious. I think a brawl outside the LA Museum of Tolerance is hilarious. I think is hilarious that we aren’t supposed to say “master bedroom”, “field” or “mother”. I think people chanting the slogans of a group who would cheerfully cut their throats is hilarious. I find the moronic tribalism and catastrophizing of our time is silly in the extreme.
awesome! Love this.
A sense of the ridiculous is necessary to get through life.
iris lilies
11-11-23, 4:05pm
When Democrats shout the slogan of Palestine “ From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” we are not to think that is a rallying cry to kill Jews in their way of taking back their land. Democrats do not mean that! Don’t put that label on them!
I guess it is irrelevant that many Jews themselves take that phrase to be ann anti-Semitic expression of violence and hatred. Victims voices count, until they don’t.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean
So this dichotomy of view, this name-calling of Palestinians as they chant their apparent antisemitic chant, got me to thinking about name-calling of TERFS.
If one questions the advisability of treating minors aggressively with medicalized solutions with surgeries and drugs to combat their body dysmorphia, we are called trans haters promoting a genocide of trans people. Simply questioning the science (�� or maybe I should rightly say “science “) that is increasingly being questioned and adjusted in European countries is considered hate speech.
The whole thing is interesting, who are the haters and who are not. Probably CNN is the final arbiter if this question, I just need to settle in front of the toob to find their answer.
Do you find humor in Donald trump’s promises to be an authoritarian thug if he gets re-elected?
I could find humor in GW but I have to dig pretty deep to find Trump humor. I did get a chuckle when Swarzenegger said he could loss some weight by running around his cell three times a day.
Do you find humor in Donald trump’s promises to be an authoritarian thug if he gets re-elected?
I wouldn't say it's humorous but I'm guessing about half of US voters would consider it karmic. Of course, karma often results in humor, especially when the other half of US voters try to convince us that our justice system has never before been used to achieve political ends. That's definitely humorous!
Personally I find it sadly humorous when a large minority of the population is cool with the idea of a presidential candidate openly speaking about tossing aside the ‘inconvenient’ parts of the constitution and then those same people claim to be the supporters of ‘freedom’ and are worried that after they die so will freedom.
Our regional facilities are being overwhelmed with immigrants. A lot of them end up living on the streets in homeless camps, which then are being removed. I assumed they are bussed here from the border. As much of a liberal as I am, the Dems have failed with any sort of solution. Where is Kamala? My local recreation center was temporarily converted to serve recent immigrants. If I got the early news correctly, the report was 10,000 daily border arrests? For what it's worth, Trump never provided any sort of lasting solution either, although his tough stand seemed like a temporary deterrent.
GOP will have to fabricate any economic failures of Biden, but they may have a point with immigration.
As Chicago now has ordinances about bus drop offs, the migrants are now being dropped off in suburbs far outside Chicago. Now the burbs are passing their own ordinances.
iris lilies
12-29-23, 4:18pm
As Chicago now has ordinances about bus drop offs, the migrants are now being dropped off in suburbs far outside Chicago. Now the burbs are passing their own ordinances.
Are any if these Sanctuary Cities?
what are the ordinances? This is interesting, I have not been following this.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/more-migrants-arriving-in-chicago-by-train/
Fox River Grove, IL is a small town of about 4300, NW of Chicago, in McHenry County. I actually drive through it on my daily commute and used to live there in the late 90s. Migrants were dropped there earlier in the week. It is most definitely not a sanctuary city. McHenry County leans right. The bus companies are dropping migrants off in Chicago suburbs that have Metra commuter train service to Chicago, now that CHicago has an ordinance requiring advance notice, migrants have to be dropped off in certain places. Buses can be impounded and bus company fined. At least one bus has already been impounded where CHicago’s new ordinance.
iris lilies
3-15-24, 11:48am
I was watching “the Clinton affair “, a documentary about the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and it amused me to see sexual harasser Kevin Spacey introduce sexual harasser William Jefferson Clinton at the big Presidential inaugural ball.
it is interesting to look at these events in hindsight.
https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/bg031124dAPC-800x0.jpg
iris lilies
4-24-24, 5:34pm
And Joe Biden marches on forgiving student loans left and right. I’ve googled a little here and there, and from that I guess our president did in fact invoke an education act as he threatened to do after the Supreme Court told him to cut it out, he can’t forgive student loans under the HEROES a t?
iris lilies
10-24-24, 8:01pm
I caught a congressional hearing on video that took place a couple months ago. President Joe Biden’s nominee for a New York District court judge position, Sarah Netburn, was voted down. She did not get the job. This is because one sole Democratic congressman voted against her. 10 others obediently lined up to promote this Biden choice who placed a trans woman in a female prison. A VIOLENT trans woman.
please know what this trans woman did, her convictions:
* brutally raped a 9 year old boy
* brutally raped a 17-year-old girl
Sentenced to 18 years, he finally got out on parole with a proviso he not access the Internet
* he immediately accessed the Internet and begin trading violent pornographic child abuse materials
back into court, he claimed at the age of 51 he was a woman. He was a 6’ 2” man with a violent history .
judge Netburn not only agreed to place him in a women’s prison, she gave everyone a little lecture about gender affirmation and how we all need to be kinder to those who identify as opposite sex. This is an activist judge.
She is crazy. The Democrats who voted for her are crazy.
It appears she also lied on the stand, but that wasn’t proven because the committee had cut off further questioning of judge Netburn.
I could put this in the trans thread, but I think it’s a good reason not to vote for Democrats. When it comes to trans’ feelings versus safety of women, it’s not the women who win.
iris lilies
10-24-24, 8:16pm
With these outrageous trans cases, it’s not the trans actor I blame, it is the people and systems that coddle and promote it.
people will always take advantage and fringe people will take what used to be considered fringe advantage, but when the fringe is thrown into the mainstream, that is not OK.
If anyone thinks a violent sexual predator is going to reform, I have a bridge to sell you.
gimmethesimplelife
10-25-24, 8:37am
Kamala Harris is far from perfect but I will take her stumbling and bumbling any day over an Evil Authoritarian Dictatorship on offer through DJT. Ironically enough I'm a true patriot - I'm voting AGAINST DJT/ Evil Authoritarian Dictatorship. That simple. Rob
Kamala Harris is far from perfect but I will take her stumbling and bumbling any day over an Evil Authoritarian Dictatorship on offer through DJT. Ironically enough I'm a true patriot - I'm voting AGAINST DJT/ Evil Authoritarian Dictatorship. That simple. Rob
Kamala stumbles and bumbles?
catherine
10-26-24, 10:34am
Kamala stumbles and bumbles?
Personally I think she talks too much. She's not a natural orator. When I heard Obama introduce her this week I remembered how good an orator he is. I don't think she stumbles. When I watched her town hall she reminded me of how I would probably handle those questions--overthinking them and then just blabbing my point as thoughts entered my brain. She's even said that she stops to think and research when people ask her for a decision which is why she's not good on her feet in interviews. I agree with her.
frugal-one
10-26-24, 10:52am
I admire people who admit they don’t know everything and take time to research and ponder the best decision or response. This is a strength IMO.
gimmethesimplelife
10-26-24, 8:44pm
Kamala stumbles and bumbles?She did a bit at first in her role as VP. Conservative Sky News out of Australia has some gaffes of hers - one in which she claimed that the US and NORTH KOREA had a long term mutually beneficial working relationship - on youtube. That said she's come into her own and is doing much better now. Rob
catherine
10-27-24, 9:44am
I admire people who admit they don’t know everything and take time to research and ponder the best decision or response. This is a strength IMO.
Oh, I do, too! For sure... but polished politicians are a tad better at thinking on their feet in specific situations, like off-the-cuff answers to questions, etc. Kamala has improved in that regard, but she called herself out on that.
iris lilies
12-1-24, 8:53pm
From the White House
“…Asked about the president's intentions to pardon Hunter Biden on Nov. 7, shortly after the election results came through in favor of Donald Trump, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said, "We've been asked that question multiple times. Our answer stands, which is no."
and
President Biden had also previously told ABC News' David Muir that he did not intend to pardon his son, during an interview in June (https://apple.news/Aqk2Ef5s-RG-j7ZqZNRfXiw). he said at the time he would accept the results of the trial.
Today doddery old Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter on that federal gun charge.
Now, I don’t consider that gun charge to be a big deal, but I wonder why the lying liar who lies had to lie over and over again about what he was going to do when we all knew what he was going to do. Also since this is a party that is so adamant about gun control I think it’s quaint they’re letting this slide by.
Of course Grandpa Joe was going to pardon Hunter.
Possibly the year’s most predictable broken promise
It's not just the gun conviction but also appears to cover the guilty plea in Hunter's federal tax evasion case. I know Biden has gone on the record dozens of times saying he would not do this, but everyone knew he would. I think the only surprise is that he didn't wait until his last day in office to do so.
iris lilies
12-1-24, 11:52pm
It's not just the gun conviction but also appears to cover the guilty plea in Hunter's federal tax evasion case. I know Biden has gone on the record dozens of times saying he would not do this, but everyone knew he would. I think the only surprise is that he didn't wait until his last day in office to do so.
oh Jesus, I wasn’t following that. Well that I can’t dismiss, it is a LOT of tax fraud not just one action that is charged 34 times. Taxes are for thee, not for me which I guess is his mantra. He pleaded guilty to these tax fraud counts:
According to the indictment, Hunter Biden engaged in a four-year scheme in which he chose not to pay at least $1.4 million in self-assessed federal taxes he owed for tax years 2016 through 2019 and to evade the assessment of taxes for tax year 2018 when he filed false returns. As alleged in the indictment, to further this scheme, Hunter Biden:
subverted the payroll and tax withholding process of his own company by withdrawing millions outside of the payroll and tax withholding process;
spent millions of dollars on an extravagant lifestyle rather than paying his tax bills;
in 2018, stopped paying his outstanding and overdue taxes for tax year 2015;
willfully failed to pay his 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 taxes on time, despite having access to funds to pay some or all of these taxes;
willfully failed to file his 2017 and 2018 tax returns, on time; and
when he did finally file his 2018 returns, included false business deductions in order to reduce the very substantial tax liability he faced as of February 2020.
exerpt from https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-convicted-three-felony-tax-offenses-and-six-misdemeanor-tax-offense (https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-convicted-three-felony-tax-offenses-and-six-misdemeanor-tax-offenses)s
I thought the gun charge was a bit messed-up, and I think I've mentioned here previously why. I don't have much issue with the pardon for this.
I didn't follow the tax charges, Iris' summary above make me think pardoning those is utter BS.
ToomuchStuff
12-2-24, 12:18am
The pardoning takes care of the jail aspect, but what does it do to the financial/fine aspect?
As for the firearms charges, this is going to be used, I suspect against the democrats for some time.
The pardoning takes care of the jail aspect, but what does it do to the financial/fine aspect?
As for the firearms charges, this is going to be used, I suspect against the democrats for some time.
You have to be quite a doofus to get jammed up for lying on the 4473:
https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/few-prosecutions-for-lying-on-atf-gun-purchase-form
ToomuchStuff
12-2-24, 1:03am
You have to be quite a doofus to get jammed up for lying on the 4473:
https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/few-prosecutions-for-lying-on-atf-gun-purchase-form
https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-rejects-2nd-amendment-argument-illegal-immigrant-living-ohio-charged-possession-170-guns
https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-rejects-2nd-amendment-argument-illegal-immigrant-living-ohio-charged-possession-170-guns
170 guns? Tens of thousands of rounds of ammo?
https://media.tenor.com/8CPvdgIHcZ4AAAAe/rookie-numbers.png
Biden's rationale for pardoning Hunter, according to the news today is, "all the other Presidents did it--why can't I?"
Apparently, Clinton pardoned his half-brother for cocaine charges, and Trump pardoned Charles Kushner for tax evasion.
Plus, Hunter also seems to be getting off for good behavior--5 years of sobriety.
I read that the pardon covers any offenses committed between January 1, 2014 and December 1, 2024. Just in case someone missed something.
This would seem to make it difficult for Democrats to claim the moral high ground on the rule of law for a bit.
In these days of marginally ethical politics it's seems like a lesser of evils. Now they can quit looking for the missing Ukrainian laptop, too. I hope it torks Jim Jordan off.
In these days of marginally ethical politics it's seems like a lesser of evils. Now they can quit looking for the missing Ukrainian laptop, too. I hope it torks Jim Jordan off.
It's not missing, the FBI has had it for the last 5 years.
iris lilies
12-2-24, 12:11pm
I read that the pardon covers any offenses committed between January 1, 2014 and December 1, 2024. Just in case someone missed something.
This would seem to make it difficult for Democrats to claim the moral high ground on the rule of law for a bit.
10 years of shenanigans covered. Wow!
Tax fraud is stealing from the taxpayers. Multi-millionaires failing to pay their multi million tax bill. Screw them.
catherine
12-2-24, 12:32pm
10 years of shenanigans covered. Wow!
Tax fraud is stealing from the taxpayers. Multi-millionaires failing to pay their multi million tax bill. Screw them.
I agree. Willie Nelson had to get old playing concerts to pay back his IRS debt.
ToomuchStuff
12-2-24, 3:36pm
Makes me think of the old British saying, "Pardon me, Governor":laff:
Multi-millionaires failing to pay their multi million tax bill. Screw them.
Concur.
It's not missing, the FBI has had it for the last 5 years.
I had to look it up. Wikipedia has quite the saga. It seems like the origin of some evidence starts with Giuliani, which sort of raises a flag. Then bannon has it, then the FBI, then it’s Russian disinformation. The whole story was a little convoluted. Where ever it’s at, I still hope Jim Jordan is torked off.
Edit, added link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy
early morning
12-2-24, 6:49pm
Well, Hunter Biden got caught, and then he paid off his back taxes. Illegal, immoral, unethical - probably all of those. But he DID pay, so I don't see this pardon as that big of a deal. The gun charge is a laugh, even many MAGAs I know thought it was a stupid political stunt by other Trumpers, and would lead to more gun purchase laws and scrutiny - which they are dead set against. Trump hasn't exactly been forthcoming with his tax info, but I do seem to recall something about a couple of his companies being charged with tax fraud. Not saying Hunter's a great guy - but really, don't we have more important things to be getting our knickers in a twist about?
Overall, I'd agree with IL - "Multi-millionaires failing to pay their multi million tax bill. Screw them." AND make them pay it back! How much would it cost to keep Hunter Biden, or Donald Trump, in jail? What is the point? Fine the hell out of them, keep them on automatic yearly audit, make sure they pay their share, and don't tie up more taxpayer money on special guards, special cells, in special prisons, for special criminals. (Yeah, I know it's not that simple, but I can dream, right??)
Edit to add: Rogar - ANYTHING that torks off Gym Shorts Jordan is a good thing! :~)
frugal-one
12-2-24, 6:53pm
From the White House
“…Asked about the president's intentions to pardon Hunter Biden on Nov. 7, shortly after the election results came through in favor of Donald Trump, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said, "We've been asked that question multiple times. Our answer stands, which is no."
and
President Biden had also previously told ABC News' David Muir that he did not intend to pardon his son, during an interview in June (https://apple.news/Aqk2Ef5s-RG-j7ZqZNRfXiw). he said at the time he would accept the results of the trial.
Today doddery old Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter on that federal gun charge.
Now, I don’t consider that gun charge to be a big deal, but I wonder why the lying liar who lies had to lie over and over again about what he was going to do when we all knew what he was going to do. Also since this is a party that is so adamant about gun control I think it’s quaint they’re letting this slide by.
How is this any different than trump pardoning his sil's father for embezzlement. Hunter Biden was charged because he was Joe's son. He would never have been charged otherwise (like .09% of people have been charged in this circumstance). Actually, we should be more concerned about the felon who is going to be in the white house getting all of his charges expelled. That is the real travesty.
iris lilies
12-2-24, 8:25pm
More “gun laws for thee, not for me” from Democrats:
The chief communications officer of Democratic NY Congressman Joe Morales was caught this morning bringing ammunition into a U.S. House office building. That is…not lawful.
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/02/morelle-aide-house-democrat-arrested-ammunition
I can understand honestly forgetting to take one’s ammo Out of one’s bag.
But I cannot understand status of the ammo. The headline news says he holds it unlawfully. I’m not sure if that means he owns it unlawfully, or if it’s unlawful the moment he steps into US House building with it.
The overall lesson for me is it is obvious that Democratic operatives who preach about gun control, especially this guy who had to have written hundreds of communications scolding gun owners and the general public about the issue doesn’t believe his own rhetoric.
He lost his job. That is only fair and damage control, too.
Here we see Congressman Morales has sponsored MANY bills about gun control because he is so interested in that topic.
https://morelle.house.gov/issues/enacting-common-sense-gun-reform
This is not a good day for Democrats. Perhaps we shouldn’t vote for them. Oh, wait…
iris lilies
12-2-24, 8:28pm
Well, Hunter Biden got caught, and then he paid off his back taxes. Illegal, immoral, unethical - probably all of those. But he DID pay, so I don't see this pardon as that big of a deal. The gun charge is a laugh, even many MAGAs I know thought it was a stupid political stunt by other Trumpers, and would lead to more gun purchase laws and scrutiny - which they are dead set against. Trump hasn't exactly been forthcoming with his tax info, but I do seem to recall something about a couple of his companies being charged with tax fraud. Not saying Hunter's a great guy - but really, don't we have more important things to be getting our knickers in a twist about?
Overall, I'd agree with IL - "Multi-millionaires failing to pay their multi million tax bill. Screw them." AND make them pay it back! How much would it cost to keep Hunter Biden, or Donald Trump, in jail? What is the point? Fine the hell out of them, keep them on automatic yearly audit, make sure they pay their share, and don't tie up more taxpayer money on special guards, special cells, in special prisons, for special criminals. (Yeah, I know it's not that simple, but I can dream, right??)
Edit to add: Rogar - ANYTHING that torks off Gym Shorts Jordan is a good thing! :~)
If it is true that all of Hunter’s back taxes and fees were paid even though they were NOT paid by him, OK I accept that. That’s the important restitution that matters most to me. I don’t know if it’s true that every tax charge he racked up was paid, but after Googling, I will accept your word for it. I wish I had his artist gig since one of his buddies paid him $1 million for 10 paintings. that’s nice.
I had to look it up. Obviously. ;)
Wikipedia has quite the saga. Yes, it's been pretty interesting following the story in real time, Wikipedia has more of a Cliff Notes version.
flowerseverywhere
12-3-24, 5:46am
The massive amount of money that was spent investigating and charging Trump and the partisanship it created seems all for naught. If Hunter wasn’t pardoned, how much time and money would have been spent?
lets face it, there are two sets of rules. Is it right? Of course not. But all of this hullabaloo obscures what is Important and must be fixed.
Social Security and Medicare, The Deficit, Health care, immigration, the safety of our troops abroad. But they won’t be fixed if they keep throwing up smoke streams and clutching pearls when meaningful enforceable legislation could be passed. Because we all know if a quarter of the things the incoming administration wants to do are attempted, it will all be caught up in lawsuits. But first our senators have to face the music and look at the real problems and come up with even small solutions instead of kicking the can down the road.
iris lilies
12-3-24, 7:03am
The massive amount of money that was spent investigating and charging Trump and the partisanship it created seems all for naught. If Hunter wasn’t pardoned, how much time and money would have been spent?
lets face it, there are two sets of rules. Is it right? Of course not. But all of this hullabaloo obscures what is Important and must be fixed.
Social Security and Medicare, The Deficit, Health care, immigration, the safety of our troops abroad. But they won’t be fixed if they keep throwing up smoke streams and clutching pearls when meaningful enforceable legislation could be passed. Because we all know if a quarter of the things the incoming administration wants to do are attempted, it will all be caught up in lawsuits. But first our senators have to face the music and look at the real problems and come up with even small solutions instead of kicking the can down the road.
The real time and money that we the taxpayers have been saved comes in prosecuting all the forms of influence pedaling that Hunter Biden is probably guilty of. That is big serious stuff. HIs relations with China. His relations with the Ukraine. Etc. Hard to prove stuff, very detail oriented and expensive to go after. Now he’s clean of 10 years of lawbreaking activity, and all of it is not detailed. We don’t even know what we don’t know.
Never has there been such a broad pardon coming from the president. Anyone who is comparing this to Trump or Clinton pardons doesn’t understand what 10 years of pardoning of any crime federal level is. I can barely comprehend it, myself.
I will say, though, it’s a great new tool for Trump to take up, this broad pardon caper.
Yes, it's been pretty interesting following the story in real time, Wikipedia has more of a Cliff Notes version.
One could speculate on the veracity of any reporting.
6131
Can the recipient of a blanket presidential pardon still plead the fifth amendment if called to testify at other people’s trials or hearings?
ToomuchStuff
12-3-24, 11:54am
Can the recipient of a blanket presidential pardon still plead the fifth amendment if called to testify at other people’s trials or hearings?
It would depend on the pardon (if pardoned for one crime, but didn't know about another, then yes). With Hunters blanket pardon, the argument is no, but it would still end up being a court case to decide I expect.
Can the recipient of a blanket presidential pardon still plead the fifth amendment if called to testify at other people’s trials or hearings?
It's my understanding that no they cannot since the blanket pardon removes all threat of self incrimination in any crime they may have been involved in during the specified time period. I think the exception would be if the crime they are testifying about occurred outside that time frame, which probably helps explains the 11 year period covered by this pardon.
I guess in order to truly find out there would have to be a trial involving the pardonees knowledge or participation, which is why in this case I would expect additional blanket pardons to be issued prior to January 20th, thereby making the possibility of additional trials moot.
ToomuchStuff
12-3-24, 3:12pm
It's my understanding that no they cannot since the blanket pardon removes all threat of self incrimination in any crime they may have been involved in during the specified time period. I think the exception would be if the crime they are testifying about occurred outside that time frame, which probably helps explains the 11 year period covered by this pardon.
I guess in order to truly find out there would have to be a trial involving the pardonees knowledge or participation, which is why in this case I would expect additional blanket pardons to be issued prior to January 20th, thereby making the possibility of additional trials moot.
One thing that I have heard, is this pardon is for Federal crimes.
That means for instance, if he murdered somebody, while he would be federally immune from prosecution, the State could still prosecute, so he would still have 5th amendment protections. It's not all straight forward.
This is in part why I brought up paying the taxes. Someone paid his federal, did they pay his state?
One thing that I have heard, is this pardon is for Federal crimes.
Yes, you're correct. The President can only issue pardons for federal crimes, state crimes must be pardoned by Governors.
In Hunter Biden's case, he would still be able to use 5th Amendment protections in a state court dealing with state charges.
It's my understanding that no they cannot since the blanket pardon removes all threat of self incrimination in any crime they may have been involved in during the specified time period. I think the exception would be if the crime they are testifying about occurred outside that time frame, which probably helps explains the 11 year period covered by this pardon.
I guess in order to truly find out there would have to be a trial involving the pardonees knowledge or participation, which is why in this case I would expect additional blanket pardons to be issued prior to January 20th, thereby making the possibility of additional trials moot.
The most egregious alleged influence-peddling seems to have occurred in the 2014-2017 period, which would explain the lengthy blanket coverage. So it would make sense that pardons for various Biden family members and associates would need to be for a similar period if the intent is to bury the whole thing.
What a gift to Trump that would be.
I'm no doubt missing the relevance, but why would Hunter be called to testify. Do people expect The Family to go after other members of the Biden family based in something involving Hunter. Since he's already been pardoned for certain crimes, can he refuse to answer, whether it would incriminate him or not and without being in contempt?
Additional investigations would at least give Jim Jordan some job security since it doesn't look like he's up for a cabinet job.
iris lilies
12-4-24, 4:02pm
The Biden administration is putting resources toward a legal challenge contesting the Tennessee ban on feeding opposite sex hormones and puberty blocking drugs to children. The Supreme Court is hearing the case today.
Apparently the Biden administration’s argument and that of others bringing the lawsuit is that it is unconstitutional because it is discriminatory on the basis of sex. I don’t see how that is since either sex is treated equally under this ban, but whatever. Misguided folks are going to misguide.
ToomuchStuff
12-4-24, 10:32pm
In Hunter Biden's case, he would still be able to use 5th Amendment protections in a state court dealing with state charges.
Or, say questioned by Congress. He would still plead the fifth, as the record of his words could be used against him in state court.
So are we also going to talk about the assorted people trump pardoned to save his own ass or is this thread only for demo-hate? Or maybe we hold off to see if he pardons the traitors who assisted him in his attempt to overthrow the government?
Personally I doubt he’ll do the latter. Those people are of no use to him anymore and he’s not the sort of person who does anything for anyone unless it benefits him in some way.
So are we also going to talk about the assorted people trump pardoned to save his own ass or is this thread only for demo-hate? Or maybe we hold off to see if he pardons the traitors who assisted him in his attempt to overthrow the government?
Personally I doubt he’ll do the latter. Those people are of no use to him anymore and he’s not the sort of person who does anything for anyone unless it benefits him in some way.
But I think horrifyingly, he will, as it does benefit him, as it keeps the terrible base he has created supporting him. He's created a monster (or projected his own inner monster out, and amplified it), and now he has to feed that monster.
Jesse Jackson wrote Grandpa Joe asking for his son and former daughter in law to be pardoned. Same day Grandpa Joe pardoned Hunter. Jesse Jackson’s son and daughter in law went to prison for bribery/corruption charges.
iris lilies
12-7-24, 9:53am
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/rachel-levine-must-resign-2d7
Another “why not to vote Democrat:” their appointments.
In the linked article Andrew Sullivan, a gay writer, gay rights activist, and former editor of the New Republic tells how Rachel Levine, the trans identifying Assistant head of Health and Human Services appointed by Joe Biden, promotes a false narrative in the mental health treatment of children and adolescents.
Levine knows there is little to no scientific evidence that medical “transitioning” of children works. The science does not support the gender affirming model of treatment.
Rachel Levine commissioned a thorough study from Johns Hopkins University to review all scientific literature, and then buried the results when the study failed to support Rachel’s preferred narrative.
p.s. This article by Andrew Sullivan is a very good summary of where “the science “ of trans gender medicine intersects with politics in the United States currently.
I found these nuggets worth the read:
”…“LGBTQIA+” billionaires will sacrifice any number of gay kids if it means not being called “transphobic” at a dinner party…”
and his final plea
“…I look around what was once my community and see such incredible cowardice and indoctrination that it makes me despair at what we have become. A movement that began as a crusade for sexual liberation is now sterilizing gay and trans children and removing their capacity for orgasm forever. A movement that began with defending gay men and lesbians is now sacrificing a generation of gay kids at the behest of trans extremists and critical gender theory.
Forgive me for the passion. But this amicus brief set my head and heart aflame. What has happened — what is still happening — is the worst attack on gay kids since Anita Bryant. But this time, the danger is coming from inside the house.”
I see the difference between Trump and Biden to be more of style than substance. When Trump does something reprehensible, he just does it because he can. When Biden caps off a half century career of self-serving lies by breaking another promise, he pretends he’s acting from the highest motives, issuing a smarmy statement about how he’s always made it a rule not to lie to the American people.
catherine
12-7-24, 11:47am
Speaking of Trump and Biden, does anything think it's interesting how all the optics since the election are suggesting that Joe really is a lame duck--he's almost in hiding at this point. I'm watching the celbration of the reopening of Notre Dame and Trump is there but Biden isn't. Does anyone else think it's a little strange?
iris lilies
12-7-24, 11:59am
Speaking of Trump and Biden, does anything think it's interesting how all the optics since the election are suggesting that Joe really is a lame duck--he's almost in hiding at this point. I'm watching the celbration of the reopening of Notre Dame and Trump is there but Biden isn't. Does anyone else think it's a little strange?
President Biden was in Angola, shuffling around, being led gently by the hand by Angolan officials. He is “ out there” as much as he can be and as much as his handlers think he can handle.
So many third world cultures are respectful if not even reverent to oldsters, so that may be serving him well in Angola.That, plus the sweet sweet $billions he brings with him for Angolian projects.
So are we also going to talk about the assorted people trump pardoned to save his own ass or is this thread only for demo-hate?
I haven't looked into the archives but I suspect Trump's pardons were probably covered in the 'Why Not To Vote Republican' thread which, by the way, seems to have about 7 or 8 times more responses than this one along with many, many times more hateful comments than this one which seems to be just criticism. Maybe that will change in about 5 or 6 weeks when we see the true scope of pardons issued on Biden's last days in office.
Speaking of Trump and Biden, does anything think it's interesting how all the optics since the election are suggesting that Joe really is a lame duck--he's almost in hiding at this point. I'm watching the celbration of the reopening of Notre Dame and Trump is there but Biden isn't. Does anyone else think it's a little strange?
After the debate fiasco, the Party grandees decided Biden was unfit to run for president (although not, apparently, to be the president). The Harris campaign would only have suffered if he had been more visible. After the campaign, things like the Hunter pardon and his staff “not ruling out” a wave of prophylactic pardons for all and sundry would only seem to encourage the Trump gang to consider similar measures. It’s easy to see how any forward looking Democrat would want to memory hole the guy.
frugal-one
12-7-24, 1:15pm
Jesse Jackson wrote Grandpa Joe asking for his son and former daughter in law to be pardoned. Same day Grandpa Joe pardoned Hunter. Jesse Jackson’s son and daughter in law went to prison for bribery/corruption charges.
You need to look back on how many trump pardoned! trump talking about pardoning the Jan 6 traitors as well. There is no comparison!
You need to look back on how many trump pardoned! trump talking about pardoning the Jan 6 traitors as well. There is no comparison!
I found it funny because Jesse Jackson and his kids are all corrupt and here they are asking for a pardon. That's what was funny,.
You need to look back on how many trump pardoned! trump talking about pardoning the Jan 6 traitors as well. There is no comparison!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the _president_of_the_United_States
If Wikipedia is to be believed, Trump pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 237 people. The number for Biden thus far is 6,524.
If Trump's attack dogs do what they claim they will do, I'd give preemptive pardons to Cheney, Garland, and whoever else is on their hit list. I suspect Trump will use any Biden pardons as a scapegoat for any of his, but he will do what he will do regardless.
iris lilies
12-7-24, 2:31pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the _president_of_the_United_States
If Wikipedia is to be believed, Trump pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 237 people. The number for Biden thus far is 6,524.
But but but those are GOOD pardons!
That really seems like a lot, tho. The Wikki often has trouble with truthiness.
edited to add: I see that some 6,500 of those pardons were marijuiana users convicted of
federal crimes, so that tracks.
The biggest number of pardons in modern times was implemented by Barak Obama.
The biggest number of pardons in modern times was implemented by Barak Obama.
He seemed to have a soft spot for terrorists.
But I think horrifyingly, he will, as it does benefit him, as it keeps the terrible base he has created supporting him. He's created a monster (or projected his own inner monster out, and amplified it), and now he has to feed that monster.
Does he really care about his base anymore though? As someone who views relationships as purely transactional they have nothing to offer him anymore. He never has to run for re-election so if they get upset as they starve he can just shrug his shoulders and call them suckers and losers like he did the military.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the _president_of_the_United_States
If Wikipedia is to be believed, Trump pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 237 people. The number for Biden thus far is 6,524.
I don’t suppose you have bothered to look into the details of each pardon and assessed how many were people who committed crimes that benefited the pardoner versus how many were pardons due to justice not being served, as was the whole point of pardons becoming a thing.
iris lilies
12-11-24, 10:03am
More on Democrats acting badly
there’s a funny little Hollywood story going on right now with George Clooney and Bill Maher. Reportedly, Clooney wants to come onto the Maher show and tell his side of the story about how Barack Obama used him as a tool in taking down president Biden. Supposedly Maher responded something like “my show is not a tool for fallen Hollywood icons to rehabilitate themselves.”
apparently, Clooney’s team made more than one attempt that negotiating specifics to sit with Maher on camera. No dice.
I think George Clooney belongs on The View with his story, those ladies will salivate all over him.
frugal-one
12-11-24, 11:14pm
More on Democrats acting badly
there’s a funny little Hollywood story going on right now with George Clooney and Bill Maher. Reportedly, Clooney wants to come onto the Maher show and tell his side of the story about how Barack Obama used him as a tool in taking down president Biden. Supposedly Maher responded something like “my show is not a tool for fallen Hollywood icons to rehabilitate themselves.”
apparently, Clooney’s team made more than one attempt that negotiating specifics to sit with Maher on camera. No dice.
I think George Clooney belongs on The View with his story, those ladies will salivate all over him.
Who cares about this Hollywood gossip garbage?
iris lilies
12-12-24, 12:08am
Who cares about this Hollywood gossip garbage?
I think it’s funny. And when Barack Obama brought Hollywood into it, and Kamala Harris followed up with her Hollywood shows during the campaign, it was a key part of politics.
. But I don’t understand what apology tour Clooney feels the need to conduct because he was a player in getting a non-viable Joe Biden out of the White House. However Kamala Harris did in the election, I’m convinced Biden would’ve done worse.
. But I don’t understand what apology tour Clooney feels the need to conduct because he was a player in getting a non-viable Joe Biden out of the White House.
Rumor has it he's pissed because he did Obama's bidding and only later realized he was being used.
I wonder what the GOP conservative analogy to The View would be? A Trump cabinet meeting?
rosarugosa
12-12-24, 7:25am
I wonder what the GOP conservative analogy to The View would be? A Trump cabinet meeting?
Rogar, I love your sense of humor! I'll admit that I've never really watched The View other than catching a couple of snippets in medical waiting rooms, so I mostly know of the show from hearing about it from others.
Rogar, I love your sense of humor! I'll admit that I've never really watched The View other than catching a couple of snippets in medical waiting rooms, so I mostly know of the show from hearing about it from others.
;)
To be honest, I've never seen more than a few minutes of The View myself, mostly while browsing through channels. I've tried to imagine it's devoted viewing audience and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
iris lilies
12-12-24, 1:10pm
;)
To be honest, I've never seen more than a few minutes of The View myself, mostly while browsing through channels. I've tried to imagine it's devoted viewing audience and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
maybe no one really watches The View,, the only people who have it showing on their TV from beginning to end are the same people who have the TV on all day every day and aren’t really paying attention to what is showing on the tube.
The View serves an important function in being the butt of many jokes. Note how often Whoopi Goldberg is highlighted in chatter “news*”
to keep her face and her colleagues’ faces in front of us. Whoopi does dumb stuff to get attention.
* “chatter news” is my term for superficial dumb stuff people are talking about on the socials.
maybe no one really watches the view, the only people who have it showing on their TV from beginning to end same people who have the TV on all day every day and aren’t really paying attention to watch showing on the tube.
The View serves an important function in being the bot of many jokes. Note how often Whoopi Goldberg is highlighted in chatter “news*”
to keep her face and her colleagues’ faces in front of us. Whoopi does dumb stuff to get attention.
* “chatter news” is my term for superficial dumb stuff people are talking about on the socials.
Same here. We only see the nut-picking clips of one of them saying something especially stupid or outrageous. For all I know, it’s 90% celebrity fluff pieces and cooking segments.
I have never seen The View, and could not tell you who is on it, or when/where it airs.
Then again, I haven’t had broadcast or cable TV in decades.
frugal-one
12-12-24, 7:40pm
More on Democrats acting badly
there’s a funny little Hollywood story going on right now with George Clooney and Bill Maher. Reportedly, Clooney wants to come onto the Maher show and tell his side of the story about how Barack Obama used him as a tool in taking down president Biden. Supposedly Maher responded something like “my show is not a tool for fallen Hollywood icons to rehabilitate themselves.”
apparently, Clooney’s team made more than one attempt that negotiating specifics to sit with Maher on camera. No dice.
I think George Clooney belongs on The View with his story, those ladies will salivate all over him.
So this is what you mean by “chatter news”.
ToomuchStuff
12-13-24, 12:14am
Other then the clips on Youtube, I only remember one or two interviews on the view. Tony Randall, close to his death, had a new baby (which I do wonder if it was his at that age), and one where they interviewed Walter Mathau and his quote about Viagra (wish I could find it on Youtube), comparing it to putting a new flagpole in front of a condemned building.
iris lilies
12-13-24, 12:50am
So this is what you mean by “chatter news”.
Yes, the Clooney story is chatter news.
iris lilies
12-18-24, 5:20pm
I liked this Associated Press headline
“On pardons, Biden weighs whether to flex presidential powers in broad new ways”
….to counter what may be powers used in broad new ways in the upcoming administration. Way to escalate, Joe.
frugal-one
12-18-24, 5:47pm
I liked this Associated Press headline
“On pardons, Biden weighs whether to flex presidential powers in broad new ways”
….to counter what may be powers used in broad new ways in the upcoming administration. Way to escalate, Joe.
Not enough information to make sense.
According to the associated article, “he contemplates broad preemptive pardons”.
iris lilies
12-18-24, 8:15pm
According to the associated article, “he contemplates broad preemptive pardons”.
Is the logic here “ waaaaaaaaaaah, the other side is going to do it so I’m going to do it first?”
Is the logic here “ waaaaaaaaaaah, the other side is going to do it so I’m going to do it first?”
It’s the paradigm of our age: I assume the worst about what you might do so I will act my worst to head you off”.
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