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The latest by the looney left - as Americans struggle it's not enough to give billions to Ukraine and trillions with no vetting to fraudsters claiming covid relief, now we must feed every person who sneaks into the country illegally. Currently it's 55+ but there's a push on to give free food to everyone, whilst Americans who work don't get any help with suspension of gas taxes, food hit by inflation, etc.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-s-plan-to-provide-food-assistance-to-undocumented-residents-leaves-some-out/ar-AAYvC1U?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=c73dd9580c0b4891d377cef7d134e5f1
We're a doormat country.
iris lilies
6-16-22, 2:26pm
OK Democrats here on this board, we’re about two years away from the next presidential election. Who the hell are you gonna put up on that presidential ticket? Don’t you dare put that limp noodle Biden on. Don’t you dare.
I say that because if any of you have any remote wish for me to vote against Donald Trump by voting the Democratic ticket, you HAVE to offer a choice that is palatable.
Did you see AOC waffle on the question on CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/13/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-2024/index.html)? I happened to catch it and then it made news.
I just told my 30-something kids, "Do you REALLY want an 80-year old guy as President?" Really--I'm old and I don't want someone 10 years older than me running the country. Sue me for ageism.
I do NOT blame Biden for the economy or for the war in Ukraine. I just think there has to be another viable person somewhere in the US among 300M people who has intelligence, charisma, integrity, and leadership and by the way is not at high risk of dying in office.
I have a feeling I'll be voting 3rd party next time around. I'm not happy with either party in general.
iris lilies
6-16-22, 2:42pm
Did you see AOC waffle on the question on CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/13/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-2024/index.html)? I happened to catch it and then it made news.
I just told my 30-something kids, "Do you REALLY want an 80-year old guy as President?" Really--I'm old and I don't want someone 10 years older than me running the country. Sue me for ageism.
I do NOT blame Biden for the economy or for the war in Ukraine. I just think there has to be another viable person somewhere in the US among 300M people who has intelligence, charisma, integrity, and leadership and by the way is not at high risk of dying in office.
I have a feeling I'll be voting 3rd party next time around. I'm not happy with either party in general.
No, I dont pay attention to AOC’s utterances.
I have voted 3rd party the last several elections but do not hate my country enough to automatically do that if Trump is on the Republican ticket. I will have to mull that decision over carefully.
No, I dont pay attention to AOC’s utterances.
I have voted 3rd party the last several elections but do not hate my country enough to automatically do that if Trump is on the Republican ticket. I will have to mull that decision over carefully.
Frankly, I really don't think either Trump or Biden want to be President again. I think Biden has fulfilled his promise to Beau, and I don't think Trump ever expected or wanted to win the first time. Unfortunately, both have egos so big it's hard for them to resist the callings.
iris lilies
6-16-22, 3:15pm
Frankly, I really don't think either Trump or Biden want to be President again. I think Biden has fulfilled his promise to Beau, and I don't think Trump ever expected or wanted to win the first time. Unfortunately, both have egos so big it's hard for them to resist the callings.
I am hoping against hope that Joe Biden who is apparently saying he’ll run again, is saying that for the good of the country. To keep it stable. To keep his presidency stable. To avoid the whole lame duck gestalt and all of the problems that generates.
but then, if he was having thoughts of stepping down, wouldn’t he be handing his vice president opportunities to shine? People don’t like her. Could Joe repair her image in a year? Sure he could. But I don’t think he has the brain power to do that.
As for Trump not wanting the presidency? Ummmm. I don’t think so. His vision is so narrow with him at the center of everything that he sees it as a personal affront that he lost the election.
ApatheticNoMore
6-16-22, 6:16pm
Wow I went to the link expecting something about the Biden administration and immigration policy (but I don't think the Biden administration is anything out of the norm there) and it's about California state policy. People in the Republican thread are at least talking about national issues, and the Dems do have nominal control of the Fed gov now. This is reaching to the extreme.
The thing is California state government at this point has boatloads of money, a serious budget surplus, and can do what it wants. If I was inclined to worry about that, I'd just hope Jerry Brown's "rainy day" policies to reserve some of the surplus for yep "a rainy day" (although literal rain would be good), are still in place, because the budget isn't always in such surplus and a recession is forecast. Jerry Brown was the statesman that Newsom is just not, but he's termed out and retired from politics.
I asked my magic eight ball if Pence would be the next president and it said, outlook hazy, try again.
My hope is that Biden announces he's not running soon enough for the democrats to get their ducks in a row, what ever that takes. I don't think Trump's ego could take another defeat, so he'll probably wait to see which direction the wind is blowing. There must be a few rising stars out there that are new faces and would actually stand a chance of winning against the old school characters that have already given it a shot.
As long as we are in the era of identity politics I can't think of any reason not to vote democratic, although there are a few free thinkers like Cheney and a few bum democrats out there.
Well, I can't vote Democrat, judging from our local Democratic party, which is corrupt, inept, bent on getting the County involved in expensive litigation by doing unlawful things, unwilling to govern, prefers to rule without consideration of the common good or considering the interests of anyone other than their supporters, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-good governance.
And I can't vote Republican, judging from our local wack-a-doodle Republican party, which is even worse in some ways.
Where's the party of boring reason, respect for all, and sound governance?
Well, I can't vote Democrat, judging from our local Democratic party, which is corrupt, inept, bent on getting the County involved in expensive litigation by doing unlawful things, unwilling to govern, prefers to rule without consideration of the common good or considering the interests of anyone other than their supporters, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-good governance.
And I can't vote Republican, judging from our local wack-a-doodle Republican party, which is even worse in some ways.
Where's the party of boring reason, respect for all, and sound governance?
So run for office. You're an expert on everything, who better than you?
If anything, humane border policies would make me more likely to vote for a given politician. Bodies strewn around the desert, dead of thirst, illustrate an appalling indifference to human life.
I've been anti-war as long as I can remember, but I absolutely support Ukraine's desperate efforts to defend itself, and, by extension Europe. It's not like we've ever balked at military spending before, so I'm happy to send them every possible armament.
Although I think President Biden is doing as good a job as could be expected, I agree we need someone younger, with new ideas (and a modicum of personality). Democrats have a deep, deep bench; off the top of my head I like Stacy Abrams, or--dark horse alert--Al Franken.
We’re only 1 1/2 years into the biden presidency. Trying to figure out who should be running in 2024 today is just a lot of navel gazing.
That said, personally I’d also prefer that we not continue with the gerontocracy. Biden may have been the right person to get us past the trump horrors but next time around he probably wouldn’t do as well unless the economy takes a big turn to the upside.
iris lilies
6-16-22, 9:31pm
If anything, humane border policies would make me more likely to vote for a given politician. Bodies strewn around the desert, dead of thirst, illustrate an appalling indifference to human life.
I've been anti-war as long as I can remember, but I absolutely support Ukraine's desperate efforts to defend itself, and, by extension Europe. It's not like we've ever balked at military spending before, so I'm happy to send them every possible armament.
Although I think President Biden is doing as good a job as could be expected, I agree we need someone younger, with new ideas (and a modicum of personality). Democrats have a deep, deep bench; off the top of my head I like Stacy Abrams, or--dark horse alert--Al Franken.
Oh sweet mother of God, don’t make me consider voting for Al Franken for god’s sake. I’ve never liked him, even though I think he got a ridiculously bad rap for that trumped up sexual-harassment caper.
Oh sweet mother of God, don’t make me consider voting for Al Franken for god’s sake. I’ve never liked him, even though I think he got a ridiculously bad rap for that trumped up sexual-harassment caper.
He should have fought it; that was ridiculous. But he's smart and was an effective senator. I'll keep looking. ;)
gimmethesimplelife
6-16-22, 11:28pm
I have no real choice in the matter. To vote Republican would be the ultimate middle finger salute to much of what I believe in and stand for. I'm not especially pleased with Biden at this point, either - but not a day goes by that I am not grateful DJT was not reelected.
I'm just not able to backstab so many people I know and respect by voting GOP. And I don't care to be a pariah on my turf like the Fillipino couple two streets over no one likes. There are many social class issues that I - unlike many others here - have to contend with when I vote.
TL/DR: My life experiences have directed me away from ever voting GOP.
Rob
rosarugosa
6-17-22, 6:15am
How about Pete Buttigieg? He seems like a decent possibility to me.
I would love to see Charlie Baker run for president, but he is a republican and apparently the party doesn't like him, even though he is considered to be the most popular governor in the US. https://patch.com/massachusetts/salem/s/i8czk/baker-named-most-popular-governor-despite-not-running-again-survey?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
How about Pete Buttigieg? He seems like a decent possibility to me.
I would love to see Charlie Baker run for president, but he is a republican and apparently the party doesn't like him, even though he is considered to be the most popular governor in the US. https://patch.com/massachusetts/salem/s/i8czk/baker-named-most-popular-governor-despite-not-running-again-survey?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
Not to run for president yet, obviously, but I think Hakeem Jeffries is wonderfully talented and seems like great senatorial material.
I liked and still like:
Tulsi Gabbard
Andrew Yang
Michael Bennet
On the other side I like:
Rand Paul
Ron DeSantis
Bill Weld
John Kasich
People I heard in person and didn't like:
Steve Bullock
Julian Castro
Joe Biden
Deval Patrick
Amy Klobuchar
Corey Booker
People I heard in person and liked at the time but no longer do:
Pete Buttigieg - couldn't stand how in debates he was smirking at other people
Elizabeth Warren - shouldn't have turned on Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders - too old now and hasn't accomplished anything since he ran
Never on the other side:
Donald Trump
I voted third party last time and would do so again if I don't like anyone running in the major parties.
I liked and still like:
Tulsi Gabbard
Andrew Yang
Michael Bennet
On the other side I like:
Rand Paul
Ron DeSantis
Bill Weld
John Kasich
People I heard in person and didn't like:
Steve Bullock
Julian Castro
Joe Biden
Deval Patrick
Amy Klobuchar
Corey Booker
People I heard in person and liked at the time but no longer do:
Pete Buttigieg - couldn't stand how in debates he was smirking at other people
Elizabeth Warren - shouldn't have turned on Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders - too old now and hasn't accomplished anything since he ran
Never on the other side:
Donald Trump
I voted third party last time and would do so again if I don't like anyone running in the major parties.
You have mentioned a lot of very good people here, who seem talented and dedicated to our country. It's heartening to think of them.
iris lilies
6-17-22, 8:44am
I have no real choice in the matter. To vote Republican would be the ultimate middle finger salute to much of what I believe in and stand for. I'm not especially pleased with Biden at this point, either - but not a day goes by that I am not grateful DJT was not reelected.
I'm just not able to backstab so many people I know and respect by voting GOP. And I don't care to be a pariah on my turf like the Fillipino couple two streets over no one likes. There are many social class issues that I - unlike many others here - have to contend with when I vote.
TL/DR: My life experiences have directed me away from ever voting GOP.
Rob
I didnt ever think there was a chance you would vote Republican.
iris lilies
6-17-22, 8:48am
Well, I can't vote Democrat, judging from our local Democratic party, which is corrupt, inept, bent on getting the County involved in expensive litigation by doing unlawful things, unwilling to govern, prefers to rule without consideration of the common good or considering the interests of anyone other than their supporters, anti-science, anti-technology, anti-good governance.
And I can't vote Republican, judging from our local wack-a-doodle Republican party, which is even worse in some ways.
Where's the party of boring reason, respect for all, and sound governance?
But the local .democratic party isnt the national one.
All of our city political positions are held by “Democrats” even though a few of them are conservative democrats, I.e. could be Republicans. It’s just that no one can run on a Republican ticket and win in my city. My own alderman is one of the more pro business, “conservative “ones. As a white man he’s probably serving his last term. He won’t be in the game long, Will likely lose the next election since they have consolidated aldermanic wards.
gimmethesimplelife
6-17-22, 9:29am
I didnt ever think there was a chance you would vote Republican.What a nice compliment to start my day with! Thank You, IL.
Rob
iris lilies
6-17-22, 9:29am
What a nice compliment to start my day with! Thank You, IL.
Rob
Haha Well you gotta take compliments where you can find them.
rosarugosa
6-18-22, 7:06am
If Buttigieg's worst offense is his smirk, I can certainly live with that.
If Buttigieg's worst offense is his smirk, I can certainly live with that.
It's indicative of condescension. Others have mentioned Obama's lecturing and it could be a harbinger of that. He also wasn't real impressive as a mayor, and he worked as a consultant for some shady megacorps.
I am hoping against hope that Joe Biden who is apparently saying he’ll run again, is saying that for the good of the country. To keep it stable. To keep his presidency stable. To avoid the whole lame duck gestalt and all of the problems that generates.
but then, if he was having thoughts of stepping down, wouldn’t he be handing his vice president opportunities to shine? People don’t like her. Could Joe repair her image in a year? Sure he could. But I don’t think he has the brain power to do that.
I've heard serious pundits opining that Biden is holding a place for the best candidate the Dems can run in the primary. Biden declares his candidacy, blocking VP Harris from running until the primary is well underway. At that point, Biden withdraws, leaving Best Candidate Whoever to win. The Dems, according to these pundits, don't want Kamala revived, rehabilitated, or running. Nor do they want to be seen as skipping over her.
Sound like a plan?
iris lilies
6-18-22, 11:06pm
I've heard serious pundits opining that Biden is holding a place for the best candidate the Dems can run in the primary. Biden declares his candidacy, blocking VP Harris from running until the primary is well underway. At that point, Biden withdraws, leaving Best Candidate Whoever to win. The Dems, according to these pundits, don't want Kamala revived, rehabilitated, or running. Nor do they want to be seen as skipping over her.
Sound like a plan?
As someone who hasn’t voted for the Democratic candidate in the presidential election in years, yes, I like that plan. It would be sweet, actually. Now, as to who is MYstery candidate is… Please let him be a viable realistic person.
iris lilies
6-29-22, 9:12am
I've heard serious pundits opining that Biden is holding a place for the best candidate the Dems can run in the primary. Biden declares his candidacy, blocking VP Harris from running until the primary is well underway. At that point, Biden withdraws, leaving Best Candidate Whoever to win. The Dems, according to these pundits, don't want Kamala revived, rehabilitated, or running. Nor do they want to be seen as skipping over her.
Sound like a plan?
Let me also add that pundants were floating the idea,, before the last presidential election, that the party of Democrats was putting up Joe Biden to run for one term so that they could groom and position their young star, Whoever that was. If it was Kamala Harris then they are in trouble.
The reality at this point is that it’s Joe Biden. Again. It is just wishful thinking to think otherwise.
I think it's a riot that Mayor Pete's smirk is even a thing, considering the behavior we put up with for 4 years with DJT.
gimmethesimplelife
6-29-22, 1:46pm
I think it's a riot that Mayor Pete's smirk is even a thing, considering the behavior we put up with for 4 years with DJT.I could not agree more, KayLR. Rob
I think it's a riot that Mayor Pete's smirk is even a thing, considering the behavior we put up with for 4 years with DJT.
Maybe if he occasionally through his lunch against the wall he would seem more human…
Maybe if he occasionally through his lunch against the wall he would seem more human…
"through his lunch"?
He does seem like someone who could be an alien. Same with Jared Kushner.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/opinion/liberalism-republican-party.html
catherine
12-19-22, 3:14pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/opinion/liberalism-republican-party.html
Interesting. I like these three paragraphs:
Sizable majorities of Americans desperately want traditional liberal measures like universal health care and economic fairness. But actually, existing liberalism, with its air of upper-crust contempt and its top-down moralism, rubs this deeply democratic nation exactly the wrong way.
These things are obvious when viewed from a certain distance, but liberals, intoxicated by their own righteousness, can never figure it out. They keep expecting the right to die off, as if poisoned by its diet of wickedness, and yet the Republicans persist, dreaming up new culture wars against the “liberal elite,” radicalizing themselves continually along the way, refusing to succumb.
And what do liberals do? We dig in. We cheer for our side, we cheer some more, we demand that everyone else also cheer. We react hysterically to bad news, we refuse any analysis that doesn’t begin by ascribing Satanism to the G.O.P., and we go on Twitter to scold those who don’t measure up to our standards in some way. This is not strategy. It is fandom.
iris lilies
12-19-22, 3:46pm
Interesting. I like these three paragraphs:
Sizable majorities of Americans desperately want traditional liberal measures like universal health care and economic fairness. But actually, existing liberalism, with its air of upper-crust contempt and its top-down moralism, rubs this deeply democratic nation exactly the wrong way.
These things are obvious when viewed from a certain distance, but liberals, intoxicated by their own righteousness, can never figure it out. They keep expecting the right to die off, as if poisoned by its diet of wickedness, and yet the Republicans persist, dreaming up new culture wars against the “liberal elite,” radicalizing themselves continually along the way, refusing to succumb.
And what do liberals do? We dig in. We cheer for our side, we cheer some more, we demand that everyone else also cheer. We react hysterically to bad news, we refuse any analysis that doesn’t begin by ascribing Satanism to the G.O.P., and we go on Twitter to scold those who don’t measure up to our standards in some way. This is not strategy. It is fandom.
Thank you for giving this excerpt Catherine because I’m from the basket, you know, it contains deplorables, and we do not subscribe to the a New York Times.
ApatheticNoMore
12-19-22, 3:50pm
Sizable majorities of Americans desperately want traditional liberal measures like universal health care and economic fairness. But actually, existing liberalism, with its air of upper-crust contempt and its top-down moralism, rubs this deeply democratic nation exactly the wrong way.
I never know who they are even talking about. I think it's a big mistake that keeps being made to conflate politicians, (Dem) voters, and activists. Then occasionally an academic etc. who has little relevance to anything gets thrown in.
I mean sure an individual can be more than one thing (walk and chew gum). But by and large these are separate groups, most Dem voters no matter how straight a party line they vote, are neither politicians or regular activists, activists don't necessarily hold or even run for office though sometimes they do, most politicians probably vote but aren't necessarily much aligned with activist demands at all.
If we mean Dem party politicians, the upper-crust contempt is because they literally are upper-crust. They don't relate to the average person because they aren't and probably don't even socialize much with anyone who is. Congress is made up of rich people. Both parties. And they don't seem to be doing much for anyone else.
catherine
12-19-22, 5:06pm
Thank you for giving this excerpt Catherine because I’m from the basket, you know, it contains deplorables, and we do not subscribe to the a New York Times.
Yes, amazing we get along, considering I'm an out-of-touch East Coast liberal elite.
Thank you for giving this excerpt Catherine because I’m from the basket, you know, it contains deplorables, and we do not subscribe to the a New York Times.
Which of the four deplorables are you?
1 - racist
2 - sexist
3 - homophobic
4 - Islamaphobic
Hillary Clinton: “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
iris lilies
12-20-22, 12:12am
Which of the four deplorables are you?
1 - racist
2 - sexist
3 - homophobic
4 - Islamaphobic
Hillary Clinton: “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
I don’t know nor care although I’m sure you will tell me which category I qualify for.
frugal-one
12-20-22, 5:13am
I don’t know nor care although I’m sure you will tell me which category I qualify for.
That is the problem.
I don’t know nor care although I’m sure you will tell me which category I qualify for.
Actually I think you’re a poser. You don’t fit any of them. You just like calling yourself a deplorable.
iris lilies
12-20-22, 8:31am
Actually I think you’re a poser. You don’t fit any of them. You just like calling yourself a deplorable.
I can assure you that in modern parlance I am a racist, as are you.
Which is why I don’t care about whatever opinionated adjective is applied to me.
I can assure you that in modern parlance I am a racist, as are you.
Which is why I don’t care about whatever opinionated adjective is applied to me.
Except you applied it to yourself. I"m reminded of a time, 15 years ago or so, when SO and I still lived in Jersey City. We were going somewhere on the lightrail and a really cleancut kid, maybe 6th or 7th grade, kept saying to someone on the phone "Yo, I'm G man, I'm Gangsta." And had to keep repeating himself because the person on the other end must have disagreed with this kid's self assessment. After he got off the train SO turned to me and said "no one riding the light rail is G."
Progressive sadness: maladaptive
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/opinion/progressive-sadness.html
Progressive sadness: maladaptive
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/opinion/progressive-sadness.html
You only need to peruse the reader comments to see the truth of what Brooks is saying. Angry. Bitter. Paranoid. Belligerent. Hostile. Certainly not the product of cheerful minds.
I can assure you that in modern parlance I am a racist, as are you.
Which is why I don’t care about whatever opinionated adjective is applied to me.
Thomas Sowell said something to the effect that he believes all people should be treated equally and judged by the same standards; and that sixty years ago they would call him a radical, thirty years ago they would call him a liberal, today they call him a racist.
early morning
3-10-23, 12:48pm
all people should be treated equally and judged by the same standards I have no problem with this idea, except the second part is generally applied without the first condition having been met, and therein lies the difficulty.
iris lilies
3-29-23, 4:20pm
Apparently the Arizona governor’s press secretary really hated her job. She wasn’t gonna survive THIS ridiculous tweet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11916957/Arizona-governors-press-secretary-resigns-tweet-shooting-transphobes.html
I tried to post the actual image, but the software here takes forever anymore to post an image.
there’s so many things one could say about this tweet, but it’s pretty obvious that this is someone who should not be in a high-level government job. And she wonders why any reasonable person believes they have the right to have a gun to protect themselves against people like her
The last thing I’m thinking about after the Nashville school shooting is the feelings of trans folks and I don’t really think shooting people who act in “transphobic” ways* is an appropriate response.
* any more, transphobic actions mean simply asking questions about the lack of science around gender transition. That’s now enough to get you killed apparently..
Apparently the Arizona governor’s press secretary really hated her job. She wasn’t gonna survive THIS ridiculous tweet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11916957/Arizona-governors-press-secretary-resigns-tweet-shooting-transphobes.html
I tried to post the actual image, but the software it just takes forever anymore to post an image.
I've noticed this t-shirt design popping up over the last month, previous to the shooting of the other day, sort of a variant on the "molon labe" theme I suspect:
https://onerockin.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/a.jpg
Here's the tweet. Between her and the woman in Nashville, it looks like this weekends 'Trans Day Of Vengeance' has started early.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/29/06/69234329-11914027-image-a-44_1680067953973.jpg
I read the Trans Day of Vengeance (whatever that is) will be Friday of this week. I continue to wonder why we care what people's sex organs are. It's really nobody's business.
iris lilies
3-29-23, 4:47pm
I had to look up Molon labe. yes, I ‘spose.
I listened to a six hour podcast called “The Witch Trials of JK Rowling” that included interviews with Rowling, her supporters, her fans and former fans, her deniers, and some historians knowledgeable about mob hysteria and witches. it was a very well done production of Megan Phelps- Roper. Megan Phelps is from a famous family, yes THAT Phelps family, the Westboro Baptist church.
She overthrew the reins of her family’s influence and became a journalist, a very hard-working journalist. This podcast was put out by the Free Press a new organization trying to get away from mainstream news problems.
Megan Phelps, due to her early indoctrination, now strives to present information that is entirely truthful and sincere. I admired her for how she told that reasonable people who used to engage her when she was marching with Westboro gradually helped her see the error of her position. By the way, her family is full of attorneys, she said they were 13 in her extended family, including her mother.
My takeaways from this very thoughtful production are:
* J. K. Rowling is a strong feminist who comes to those ideas through feminist theory of the 1970s plus
* she has read widely on the trans gender issue, all “sides “lots of social media & academic journals, etc. A wide range.
* she did not want to become involved in the social dialogue about trans issues, but because she saw too many people lose their jobs, lose their livelihood, lose writing jobs and board positions and etc.m for speaking in “transphobic” ways she spoke up
* she is very concerned about the authoritarian left shutting down free speech
* she considers herself a progressive lefty
* she believes eroding of “women “as a unique biological entity will bring harm to women in many ways
* she’s adamant that men who have not spent some time transitioning should not be incarcerated with women or allowed in women’s spaces
I’m convinced she is sincere, and she’s absolutely right about the authoritarian actions and shutting down of free speech.
I don’t know how the “women’s spaces “thing is going to shake out, so I’m not so much on board with that but can see her points.
It was very sad to hear all the Harry Potter fans, kids eho grow up deep in that world, who feel abandoned and hurt by J. K. Rowling‘s seemingly inconsistent worldview now. Rowling says her worldview hasn’t changed, that Harry Potter and his colleagues were shown to search for truth, transparency, and openness and that is what brought many of the dark forces to light in the books.
iris lilies
3-29-23, 5:00pm
I read the Trans Day of Vengeance (whatever that is) will be Friday of this week. I continue to wonder why we care what people's sex organs are. It's really nobody's business.
Widespread medicalized treatment of minors for transition is wrong, especially when done without thorough mental health evaluation. The affirmation model is wrong. Cutting off breasts, stunting physical development, making permanent, irrevocable changes to children’s bodies is wrong. They cannot understand long term consequences nor give informed consent.
Sure, adult can do whatever they like, and they do.
Teacher Terry
3-30-23, 12:50pm
I am agreeing with you a lot lately IL:)).
early morning
3-30-23, 3:25pm
Yet we allow circumcision. Of infants. Who have NO voice in it at all. And we allow parents or doctors to "decide" on the sex of an infant who is born with both male and female reproductive elements. Not saying I'm for or against - I am not sure there's enough real evidence to decide this easily. If a young trans person is denied "gender affirming care" are they more likely to be at risk for depression, drug abuse, suicide? Do those count as risks for NOT allowing gender affirming care? And if care is withheld on the grounds of harm, what is the rationale for denying the use of personal pronouns? Is that harmful the the young person in question? Or is it just an affront to the hard right? I don't see this as all that clear on either side, but I see no excuse for NOT allowing the kids to determine their pronouns, for heaven's sake!!
iris lilies
3-30-23, 7:50pm
Yet we allow circumcision. Of infants. Who have NO voice in it at all. And we allow parents or doctors to "decide" on the sex of an infant who is born with both male and female reproductive elements. Not saying I'm for or against - I am not sure there's enough real evidence to decide this easily. If a young trans person is denied "gender affirming care" are they more likely to be at risk for depression, drug abuse, suicide? Do those count as risks for NOT allowing gender affirming care? And if care is withheld on the grounds of harm, what is the rationale for denying the use of personal pronouns? Is that harmful the the young person in question? Or is it just an affront to the hard right? I don't see this as all that clear on either side, but I see no excuse for NOT allowing the kids to determine their pronouns, for heaven's sake!!
Kids can determine their pronouns, who gives a fk, just as they can determine their hair color, their nickname, their real name, and if they want to consider their gender “Butterfly” OK that’s fine. No one cares, it’s when they start carving up their bodies or making permanent changes to bone, muscle, etc. with cross sex hormones or hormone blockers, that’s when it’s a concern to me.
Thoughtful parents are rethinking the whole circumcision thing. With circumcision or medical lysed, trans fission, all I want is thoughtful educated parents guiding their kids. If every child had that it would be a great thing. That is one of the main complaints of a whistleblower here in St. Louis, that her gender clinic treated street kids, and they had no one in the corner to give sage advice, and they got so juch bad medicine practiced on them.
You are behind the times if you think current medical practice is to assign a sex to babies with ambiguous genitalia. That practice went out the window 20–30 years ago, maybe 40 years now. That old practice was “The Science” and it maimed people.
early morning
3-31-23, 12:11pm
Kids can determine their pronouns, who gives a fk, just as they can determine their hair color, their nickname, their real name, and if they want to consider their gender “Butterfly” OK that’s fine. No one cares, it’s when they start carving up their bodies or making permanent changes to bone, muscle, etc. with cross sex hormones or hormone blockers, that’s when it’s a concern to me. But people DO care, some of them, and are passing laws saying teachers are not allowed to use gender pronouns if they don't match the birth-recorded gender of their students. THAT is a problem. If I understand you to be saying that THOUGHTFUL PARENTS should be allowed to work with their children to get them gender-affirming care, then I totally agree with you. I also agree there should be no surgery to change physical presentations of gender before the legal age of consent, and I would not at all be against mandated NON RELIGIOUS counseling prior to any such surgery - which many surgeons already require (but I don't know if that's a law or just following best practice). But saying parents have the right to determine what schools teach, impacting kids other than their own, but don't have the right to seek appropriate gender care for their own child is just wrong.
iris lilies
3-31-23, 12:19pm
But people DO care, some of them, and are passing laws saying teachers are not allowed to use gender pronouns if they don't match the birth-recorded gender of their students. THAT is a problem. If I understand you to be saying that THOUGHTFUL PARENTS should be allowed to work with their children to get them gender-affirming care, then I totally agree with you. I also agree there should be no surgery to change physical presentations of gender before the legal age of consent, and I would not at all be against mandated NON RELIGIOUS counseling prior to any such surgery - which many surgeons already require (but I don't know if that's a law or just following best practice). But saying parents have the right to determine what schools teach, impacting kids other than their own, but don't have the right to seek appropriate gender care for their own child is just wrong.
yes, agreed, lawmakers need to stay out of it.
I would like the medical community and the parenting community to do a better job.
early morning
3-31-23, 12:20pm
You are behind the times if you think current medical practice is to assign a sex to babies with ambiguous genitalia.
Oh, it's still assigned, in most cases. Just with much more thought, hopefully!
"The first step of management is to identify the cause of atypical genitalia. Then, your baby’s healthcare provider will put together a treatment plan and sex assignment based on hormone tests and other test results."
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22470-atypical-genitalia-formerly-known-as-ambiguous-genitalia
And YES, lawmakers do need to stay out of it!
iris lilies
4-7-23, 11:45am
I think it’s not a good idea for our President Joe Biden to joke about the Nashville shootings, but no doubt those here will disagree.
I think it’s even stupider for his administration to cater to those in the “trans aligned space” by sympathizing with how hard the trans community has it because one of their own killed children in a Nashville school. I conclude from reviewing mutterings from that “trans aligned space” that it’s quite difficult for that community to hear Audrey Hale being called by her birth name. Very painful. The name calling probably is the most horrific thing to come out of the Nashville tragedy.
iris lilies
4-7-23, 11:55am
5330For anyone who thinks I am not properly sympathetic to those in the “trans aligned space” here’s some transgirl/big gun cheesecake.
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iris lilies
4-7-23, 12:13pm
Oh, it's still assigned, in most cases. Just with much more thought, hopefully!
"The first step of management is to identify the cause of atypical genitalia. Then, your baby’s healthcare provider will put together a treatment plan and sex assignment based on hormone tests and other test results."
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22470-atypical-genitalia-formerly-known-as-ambiguous-genitalia
And YES, lawmakers do need to stay out of it!
It appears that wanton chopping of body bits on gender ambiguous children isn't the panacea it once was, even admitted to in your citation under Management and Treatment:”…But reconstructive surgery for atypical genitalia is controversial…”
Controversial. Gosh, ya think?
Your argument that if we semi castrate male babies with circumcision we might as well mutilate children’s primary and secondary sex organs before they can fully understand consequences is not convincing.
Quite a large number of men when asked if they want to be circumcised reply they do not. There are organizations formed against the practice.
What does circumcision have to do with voting democratic?
early morning
4-7-23, 6:10pm
I was really saying ANY gender surgery for those who are not of the age of consent should be approached with GREAT CAUTION, if at all.
iris lilies
4-7-23, 6:29pm
What does circumcision have to do with voting democratic?
Are you kidding? The Democratic party is all about supportive care of trans kids including trimming pieces of their flesh from private areas if their bodies that offend. Your buddy Joe Biden issued a directive about it.
Early Morning made the circumcision analogy in message #55 on this thread.
iris lilies
4-7-23, 6:30pm
I was really saying ANY gender surgery for those who are not of the age of consent should be approached with GREAT CAUTION, if at all.
This, then, I agree with.
Why does the Democratic Party promote the opposite?
frugal-one
4-7-23, 10:21pm
Are you kidding? The Democratic party is all about supportive care of trans kids including trimming pieces of their flesh from private areas if their bodies that offend. Your buddy Joe Biden issued a directive about it.
Early Morning made the circumcision analogy in message #55 on this thread.
I think you are reading something into this that is not there. I know when my son was born it was common practice (never even thought not to do it) to circumcise your child at birth. At the time, I voted republican. So, how circumcision is a democratic issue is beyond me. The issue had nothing to do with political party and still don't think it does.
iris lilies
4-7-23, 10:24pm
I think you are reading something into this that is not there. I know when my son was born it was common practice (never even thought not to do it) to circumcise your child at birth. At the time, I voted republican. So, how circumcision is a democratic issue is beyond me. The issue had nothing to do with political party and still don't think it does.
Circumcision is not a democratic party issue. You are making that assumption.
frugal-one
4-7-23, 10:33pm
Circumcision is not a democratic party issue. You are making that assumption.
You posted this in why not to vote democrat.....
early morning
4-7-23, 11:25pm
OMG, I am sorry I brought it up, lol. I don't think either party is currently pushing circumcision, I was taking issue with the idea that changing children's bodies is some great leftist conspiracy.
iris lilies
4-7-23, 11:27pm
You posted this in why not to vote democrat.....
I did not make the circumcision analogy, OK? The word “circumcision” was not uttered by me until someone else first used it in an analogy to body mutilation of minors.
To. Be. Very. Clear: I do not think the societal issue of circumcision is one associated with, created by, or the exclusive province of the Democratic party.
iris lilies
4-30-23, 10:00pm
This week Joe Biden declared he was going to be running for president. Again. 70% of Democrats according to an NBC poll are concerned about his advanced age. Gosh, ya think?
I need a really good T-shirt meme that expresses the idea “oh dear God, not again trump versus Biden.” if anyone sees one, let me know.
Or maybe I’ll just pull out my Reagan/Bush t-shirt and wear it in the countdown to the 2024 election.
littlebittybobby
5-1-23, 12:18am
Okay---You kids wanna yammer on about Big Guns, but nunnaya answered my quiz question about Ammo, over there. But yeah---which two are "assault rifle" rounds, and which was the baddest round in WW2 as well as the type that was fired at Dr King?
Okay---You kids wanna yammer on about Big Guns, but nunnaya answered my quiz question about Ammo, over there. But yeah---which two are "assault rifle" rounds, and which was the baddest round in WW2 as well as the type that was fired at Dr King?
My Springfield Model 1873 Army rifle firing the 45-70 cartridge will go through 2.5” of seasoned oak planks, and about 6” into the wet sand backing behind the planks. At 2500 yards. The Army’s test report of the trials in 1879 contain the supporting data. Of course, that was with the low-pressure cartridge that the metallurgy of the time required. The same cartridge today can be loaded to a considerably higher level of power.
The 45-70 projectile is ~8x-10x the weight of the typical projectile fired by the evil AR-15, and will stop a charging grizzly bear (even if it is hiding behind a rhinoceros…), whereas the “high powered” projectile of the AR-15 is not legal to use for deer hunting in many states because it is considered to not be powerful enough for that purpose…
I use the 45-70 as my preferred utility cartridge, in a 1895-vintage lever action firearm. The rate of aimed fire is quite decent, the limiting factor is really your shoulder’s ability to not fall off.
This week Joe Biden declared he was going to be running for president. Again. 70% of Democrats according to an NBC poll are concerned about his advanced age. Gosh, ya think?
I need a really good T-shirt meme that expresses the idea “oh dear God, not again trump versus Biden.” if anyone sees one, let me know.
Or maybe I’ll just pull out my Reagan/Bush t-shirt and wear it in the countdown to the 2024 election.
He’s going to “Get this job done” and “Fight for the soul of America”. His basement must be well-stocked with platitudes. I think they should go with “Apres moi, Kamala”.
A Trump campaign would pretty much be a sort of bullying revenge tour, with no hope of beating even a nebbish like Biden. The man is electoral poison. That’s why the Democrats are trying so hard to make him look inevitable.
I suppose there could be some relative thanks that it's not Hillary?
iris lilies
5-1-23, 9:02am
I suppose there could be some relative thanks that it's not Hillary?
Hillary is not as ancient as Joe Biden. I might prefer her over him, the Hillary before she got out of politics.
If Trump is the fricken candidate on the Republican side, I’m going to have to vote for one of these fricken Democrats, and y’all could’ve done a better job. There is speculation that Biden would’ve stepped down for 2024 had Kamala Harris not been such a complete loser.
Losers, maniacs, and old people. Let’s unplug the United States and plug it back in to see if that makes things work better in the election cycle.
littlebittybobby
5-1-23, 10:24am
My Springfield Model 1873 Army rifle firing the 45-70 cartridge will go through 2.5” of seasoned oak planks, and about 6” into the wet sand backing behind the planks. At 2500 yards. The Army’s test report of the trials in 1879 contain the supporting data. Of course, that was with the low-pressure cartridge that the metallurgy of the time required. The same cartridge today can be loaded to a considerably higher level of power.
The 45-70 projectile is ~8x-10x the weight of the typical projectile fired by the evil AR-15, and will stop a charging grizzly bear (even if it is hiding behind a rhinoceros…), whereas the “high powered” projectile of the AR-15 is not legal to use for deer hunting in many states because it is considered to not be powerful enough for that purpose…
I use the 45-70 as my preferred utility cartridge, in a 1895-vintage lever action firearm. The rate of aimed fire is quite decent, the limiting factor is really your shoulder’s ability to not fall off.Okay---Rermember when the Media Buzzword was: "High-Power Rifle"? Yup. Awhilwe back, all the evildoers were possessed by a "high-powered rifle", which caused them to commit atrocious crimes. But---in the 1940's, there was a gradual shift toward auto and semi-auto carbines, even though long rifles with long cartridges still played a major role--especially for snipers. But yeah---here's the quiz photo, again. Which two cartridges fit "Assault rifles", and which fit "High Powered Rifles"? 5397
Big game hunting is popular around here. A few country friends do some rifle hunting and know places to go out of the way. My city hunting acquaintances mostly do muzzle loading or archery to say out of the way of the good old boys that come up from the south with their four wheelers during rifle season. I tried it with a long bow years ago, but it's just not in me.
Losers, maniacs, and old people. Let’s unplug the United States and plug it back in to see if that makes things work better in the election cycle.
I love the idea of a reset button. I was wondering what the conservatives here will do if it winds up being Trump/Biden. I agree that it's a bit of a dilemma. I was wondering if Biden would/could "fire" Harris as a VP and put someone more interesting in that spot, like Buttigieg, Whitmer, Klobuchar, or my pal Bernie (who of course would never be chosen as a VP under Biden).
iris lilies
5-1-23, 12:35pm
I love the idea of a reset button. I was wondering what the conservatives here will do if it winds up being Trump/Biden. I agree that it's a bit of a dilemma. I was wondering if Biden would/could "fire" Harris as a VP and put someone more interesting in that spot, like Buttigieg, Whitmer, Klobuchar, or my pal Bernie (who of course would never be chosen as a VP under Biden).
If Joe Biden put Klobučhar in as his VP, I would almost not have to take seasick medicine before I voted for the old fart.
however, as of now, I am resolute to not except DJ Trump, as our party’s nominee. No that will not happen. Someone will come along, our white knight will appear.
I love the idea of a reset button. I was wondering what the conservatives here will do if it winds up being Trump/Biden. I agree that it's a bit of a dilemma.
Not at all. Trump is morally unfit to hold office, and presents a clear danger to the Republic. The GOP is no longer the party for conservatives.
I am sure Phil Scott, Republican governor of Vermont, is not interested in running for President, but he is the most popular governor in the US. I think he's great. He definitely knows how to reach across the aisle and make as many consituents happy as possible.
https://reason.com/2023/04/28/washingtons-assault-weapons-ban-will-be-as-impotent-as-most-gun-laws/
I like our Democratic governor, Jared Polis, quite a bit. He seems to be able to bridge the parties usually - more libertarian I guess.
https://reason.com/2023/04/28/washingtons-assault-weapons-ban-will-be-as-impotent-as-most-gun-laws/
That's too bad... really horrible. The status quo of killings will continue.
gimmethesimplelife
5-1-23, 6:25pm
The only hesitation to vote Democrat that I can understand is the concept of they/them pronouns. Seriously, I judge no one but I don't get it. I support it as I believe in allowing people to be who they are - but I don't understand it. OTOH, I wish more people would handle such differences the way I do. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-1-23, 6:27pm
I like our Democratic governor, Jared Polis, quite a bit. He seems to be able to bridge the parties usually - more libertarian I guess.I have friends I've known for years that left Central Pboenix for Central Denver and they say nothing but good things about him. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-1-23, 6:32pm
I am sure Phil Scott, Republican governor of Vermont, is not interested in running for President, but he is the most popular governor in the US. I think he's great. He definitely knows how to reach across the aisle and make as many consituents happy as possible.Hi Catherine - not to rain on your post in the slightest - I've never heard of him. The governors I do know of by name - Arizona, California, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Georgia. New Mexico, and Texas. For some reason especially Texas. We are always hearing of what goes on in Texas and of it's are you sure he's not visiting from another solar system Governor. At least our wanna be Abbott is gone. Rob
PS And also Colorado and Utah. Rob
The only hesitation to vote Democrat that I can understand is the concept of they/them pronouns. Seriously, I judge no one but I don't get it. I support it as I believe in allowing people to be who they are - but I don't understand it. OTOH, I wish more people would handle such differences the way I do. Rob
I use they/them pronouns all the time when I don't want to highlight a subject's gender, or I'm not sure of the gender, or it otherwise makes sense in context. I've used this construction for years and can't imagine why anyone finds the concept troubling.
That's too bad... really horrible. The status quo of killings will continue.
Well, if the people pushing for/passing regulations had even a vague clue about the things they were trying to regulate, perhaps things would be different. The current approach is akin to banning handset type printing presses when your goal is to reduce disinformation on the Internet - silly and ineffective, and out of touch with the real world.
I use they/them pronouns all the time when I don't want to highlight a subject's gender, or I'm not sure of the gender, or it otherwise makes sense in context. I've used this construction for years and can't imagine why anyone finds the concept troubling.
Same here. People who have a problem with it are signaling that they are ignorant, or have an ax to grind, IMO.
Well, if the people pushing for/passing regulations had even a vague clue about the things they were trying to regulate, perhaps things would be different. The current approach is akin to banning handset type printing presses when your goal is to reduce disinformation on the Internet - silly and ineffective, and out of touch with the real world.
As stated before, need to emulate countries that have enacted laws that have lowered gun violence.
As stated before, need to emulate countries that have enacted laws that have lowered gun violence.
Are there other differences between those countries and the USA that might also have a bearing on the matter?
(Hint, there's a whole literature on this...)
Hi Catherine - not to rain on your post in the slightest - I've never heard of him. The governors I do know of by name - Arizona, California, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Georgia. New Mexico, and Texas. For some reason especially Texas. We are always hearing of what goes on in Texas and of it's are you sure he's not visiting from another solar system Governor. At least our wanna be Abbott is gone. Rob
PS And also Colorado and Utah. Rob
I despise the MI gov. I call her “Gretch the Wretch.”
I use they/them pronouns all the time when I don't want to highlight a subject's gender, or I'm not sure of the gender, or it otherwise makes sense in context. I've used this construction for years and can't imagine why anyone finds the concept troubling.
Yes, I’ve done that for years as well.
I find the pronoun stuff mostly ridiculous, though.
ApatheticNoMore
5-2-23, 1:18pm
I use they/them pronouns all the time when I don't want to highlight a subject's gender, or I'm not sure of the gender, or it otherwise makes sense in context. I've used this construction for years and can't imagine why anyone finds the concept troubling.
I've done it for years on the internet, but mostly because it has never been a good idea to be a woman on the internet. You get treated badly and trashed, or maybe seen as a sex object and potential date (if imagined to be hot), or dismissed, or anything but have one's opinions taken on their own, like a mans are by default. It's never been a good idea to be openly female on the internet.
Are there other differences between those countries and the USA that might also have a bearing on the matter?
(Hint, there's a whole literature on this...)
All countries have differences. We surely could learn a thing or two on how to solve/resolve our horrendous gun problem which is horribly out of control.
littlebittybobby
5-2-23, 3:47pm
Okay----Attn: Demmacratz. So yeah---Here's what that alphabet stuff means; it's an acronym. See Photo. Thankk Mee. 5408
Okay----Attn: Demmacratz. So yeah---Here's what that alphabet stuff means; it's an acronym. See Photo. Thankk Mee. 5408
It's only an acronym if it's also pronounced as a word, e.g if lagubataque was a word.
littlebittybobby
5-3-23, 11:44am
It's only an acronym if it's also pronounced as a word, e.g if lagubataque was a word.Mmmm....you mean like: SNAFU or FUBAR? But yeah---it is prolly best if way past-their-prime pols--best serving as baby-kissers and hand-shakers--hold the top offices. I would actually prefer that to young whippersnapper ideologues in command who are efficient at implementing public policy. Then, we would have a problem. See?
I'm not sure how "a well-regulated militia" turned into " a bunch of deranged idiots," but we should have nipped that in the bud years ago.
RFK Jr.
“Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,” Kennedy said, adding that “we don’t know whether it’s deliberately targeted that or not.”
In my state there is an upcoming special election concerning requirements for changing the state constitution. Issue 1 would require a 60% voter majority to change the constitution if approved or a simple majority (51%) of voters if it is rejected. It is being touted as an attempt to eliminate majority rule in the state and this is how the Democrats choose to scare the citizens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z10j_H7zOb8&t=30s
Are there other differences between those countries and the USA that might also have a bearing on the matter?
(Hint, there's a whole literature on this...)
I think you are right about that. It seems to me to be more a matter of culture than public policy. There are places where you could put a gun in every cupboard, and it wouldn’t much matter. There are other places where you could enact all the laws you like but they would be no more effective than the prohibition on drugs.
Are there other differences between those countries and the USA that might also have a bearing on the matter?
(Hint, there's a whole literature on this...)
Can you point me to some of this literature that explains why America is exceptional in our tendancy towards violence and murder?
Can you point me to some of this literature that explains why America is exceptional in our tendancy towards violence and murder?
Yes, I'd like to know, too. If it's culture, what is it about our culture that incites more than 20 times the mass killings in the country compared with the next highest number (From 2000-2014, US 133 vs Germany with 6). https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country. Active shooter incidents have doubled since 2017.
early morning
7-17-23, 12:50pm
In my state there is an upcoming special election concerning requirements for changing the state constitution. Issue 1 would require a 60% voter majority to change the constitution if approved or a simple majority (51%) of voters if it is rejected. It is being touted as an attempt to eliminate majority rule in the state and this is how the Democrats choose to scare the citizens: See, that's what happens when we adopt that "but the Republicans did it first" thing. I don't agree with scare ads, but when in Rome - (or Ohio)- I guess the calculation is that you have to fight fire with fire.
And it IS about ending majority rule via ballot initiative. Apparently Alan does not believe citizens should have this right, because in Ohio, if this issue passes, 40% of the population will have the ability to stop the majority of Ohioans from being able to change a law or our constitution - that pesky majority rule thing.
A hater just down the road from me has a big banner on a semi parked by the road "encouraging" voters to approve issue one, because it's "pro-gun, pro-family, pro-religion". Three additional good reasons to vote NO, in my opinion.
early morning
7-17-23, 12:52pm
Thanks for that link, Catherine!
And it IS about ending majority rule via ballot initiative. Apparently Alan does not believe citizens should have this right, because in Ohio, if this issue passes, 40% of the population will have the ability to stop the majority of Ohioans from being able to change a law or our constitution - that pesky majority rule thing.
I know that majority rule is quite popular with people who consider the US a Democracy rather than a Republic, mostly because they believe that a slight majority of citizens should be able to control the slight minority.
Constitutions, whether state or federal are the basis for all laws in their respective jurisdictions and should be preserved from the "tyranny of the majority" which our nation's founders (and common sense) warned us against. Or, at least make it hard enough to change to prevent people such as your "hater" neighbor and others like him to use it to your disadvantage or, conversely, for you to use it against him.
I recently saw a poll which revealed that somewhere near 50% of millennials believe citizens should be jailed for "mis-gendering" others. Throw into the mix some percentage of culture warriors of other generations and their dream could be realized in many states. Do you really want that?
iris lilies
7-17-23, 3:39pm
I know that majority rule is quite popular with people who consider the US a Democracy rather than a Republic, mostly because they believe that a slight majority of citizens should be able to control the slight minority.
Constitutions, whether state or federal are the basis for all laws in their respective jurisdictions and should be preserved from the "tyranny of the majority" which our nation's founders (and common sense) warned us against. Or, at least make it hard enough to change to prevent people such as your "hater" neighbor and others like him to use it to your disadvantage or, conversely, for you to use it against him.
I recently saw a poll which revealed that somewhere near 50% of millennials believe citizens should be jailed for "mis-gendering" others. Throw into the mix some percentage of culture warriors of other generations and their dream could be realized in many states. Do you really want that?
https://www.them.us/story/canadian-court-rules-misgendering-human-rights-violation
Millennials probably think this, because that kinder, gentler nation of Canada has put this into law. Misgender someone and you go to jail.
thank you for bringing up this topic. I was going to bring up this Canadian case on the thread here about first amendment, free-speech limitations, but I didn’t get around to it. I think there’s an Australian incident or two going on in the same vein.
Our United States Constitution is unique among western nations in having the First amendment so clearly articulated.
Even though our Biden government would prefer us to use biologically incorrect terms for humans, our government cannot —yet – compel our speech.
Well, if Eli Crane can't be prosecuted and jailed for calling African Americans "colored people" I don't think that people who intentionally or inadvertently mis-gender people should be prosecuted and jailed.
Well, if Eli Crane can't be prosecuted and jailed for calling African Americans "colored people" I don't think that people who intentionally or inadvertently mis-gender people should be prosecuted and jailed.
Do you think whoever Eli Crane is should be prosecuted and go to jail for using the term "colored people"? If so, would that also apply to the omnipresent usage of the term "people of color"?
I recently saw a poll which revealed that somewhere near 50% of millennials believe citizens should be jailed for "mis-gendering" others. Throw into the mix some percentage of culture warriors of other generations and their dream could be realized in many states. Do you really want that?
Jail, for speech?!?!
Umm, well, good luck with that.
Do you think whoever Eli Crane is should be prosecuted and go to jail for using the term "colored people"? If so, would that also apply to the omnipresent usage of the term "people of color"?
Legally, no I don't.
Linguistically/culturally, there is a huge difference between referring to people as "colored people" vs "people of color" even though that nuance may seem slim to some..
early morning
7-17-23, 4:42pm
Jail, for speech?!?!
Just another fear-mongering tactic to keep people from articulating their legislative ideas when the current plutocrats refuse to actually consider any legislation that does not further their consolidation of power. The Ohio constitution has functioned as intended for 110 years, but now the powers that be see a chance to solidify their power base even further, so they're going for it.
The Ohio constitution has functioned as intended for 110 years, but now the powers that be see a chance to solidify their power base even further, so they're going for it.
I believe it requires 75% of the US States to vote "aye" to ratify any amendments to the US Constitution?
And on a more local level, my HOA requires a super-majority to change any of our controlling documents.
And my State requires a super-majority in our legislature to approve any tax increases.
I'm not convinced that a simple majority is the correct solution to everything...
iris lilies
7-17-23, 4:55pm
Do you think whoever Eli Crane is should be prosecuted and go to jail for using the term "colored people"? If so, would that also apply to the omnipresent usage of the term "people of color"?
Shoot, should librarians be fined if they have books in their collections that use the term “ Negro?”
I once received a book challenge in my public library from someone who objected to a standard text decades-old that used the word “Negro” in the title. I did not remove this book from the collection.
iris lilies
7-17-23, 5:00pm
More realistically and easier to address, a staff member once called me about the word “Nixxer” in our library’s catalog. It was in a catalog record that correctly referred to Agatha Christie’s book “10 Little Indians “as it was an edition note that told the original title “10 little Nixxers.” The book was later published under an even more sanitized title “And then there were none. “
Since that edition note using offensive language wasn’t really necessary to have in a catalog record, I deleted it and made the staff member happy. But my action did delete a fact. In this case, feelings over facts. Sigh.
iris lilies
7-17-23, 5:10pm
Legally, no I don't.
Linguistically/culturally, there is a huge difference between referring to people as "colored people" vs "people of color" even though that nuance may seem slim to some..
the Biden White House would have to set up a tribunal like the Canadians with definitions of what is correct speak and what isn’t.
Oh, I would really look forward to that bullshit. Not.
I could only hope it would be tossed out like the Ministry of Truth or whatever that ridiculous thing was called.
More realistically and easier to address, a staff member once called me about the word “Nixxer” in our library’s catalog. It was in a catalog record that correctly referred to Agatha Christie’s book “10 Little Indians “as it was an edition note that told the original title “10 little Nixxers.” The book was later published under an even more sanitize title “And then there were none. “
Since that edition note using offensive language wasn’t really necessary to have in a catalog record, I deleted it and made the staff member happy. But my action did delete a fact. In this case, feelings over facts. Sigh.
The sensitivity readers are currently making another pass at Christie. For instance “native” is replaced by “local” lest readers be harmed by such vicious verbal violence.
the Biden, White House would have to set up a tribunal like the Canadians with definitions of what is correct speak and what isn’t.
Oh, I would really look forward to that bullshit. Not.
I could only hope it would be tossed out like the Ministry of Truth or whatever that ridiculous thing was called.
You can just imagine a panel of hall monitors, HOA presidents and DEI administrators policing wrongspeak at taxpayer expense.
the Biden White House would have to set up a tribunal like the Canadians with definitions of what is correct speak and what isn’t.
Would this come with some requirement to speak English?
Lugha moja haitoshi!
Would this come with some requirement to speak English?
Lugha moja haitoshi!
As someone else has implied, the words themselves are irrelevant, it's the perceived intent. I would think in that environment, regardless of language spoken, you would just need to maintain a perpetual smile and perhaps a sparkle in your eye, just to be safe.
As someone else has implied, the words themselves are irrelevant, it's the perceived intent. I would think in that environment, regardless of language spoken, you would just need to maintain a perpetual smile and perhaps a sparkle in your eye, just to be safe.
“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”
“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”
I think that's the idea.
iris lilies
7-29-23, 3:07pm
Missouri’s former governor Jay Nixon is stepping out into a possible 3rd party Presidential run. This is Jay saying to Biden: “Step the f+ck down you self centered ancient stumbling old man and take Harris with you.”
would I vote for Jay? Hell yes. He wants to put forth a “moderate” candidacy, devil in the details of course.
He is age 67, just a young whippersnapper when compared to the two creaky old likely candidates.
I am frantic to think the major parties are presenting the SAME TWO UNSAVORY CHARACTERS as the last time around.
Democrats, here is your chance, send some money Jay’s way. Give him some momentum. Show him love.
frugal-one
7-29-23, 4:03pm
From what I’ve heard… voting for a no label candidate that you describe is as good as giving trump the win. Don’t ask me to elaborate ‘cause I didn’t pay close attention to the reasoning. That being said, I also think it is unwise to vote for a candidate you know will never win … as discussed in previous threads.
Missouri’s former governor Jay Nixon is stepping out into a possible 3rd party Presidential run. This is Jay saying to Biden: “Step the f+ck down you self centered ancient stumbling old man and take Harris with you.”
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I can't tell you how sick I am of abusive, combative, political bullies. That line alone would disqualify him for me.
iris lilies
7-30-23, 12:25am
I can't tell you how sick I am of abusive, combative, political bullies. That line alone would disqualify him for me.
Relax, Jay Nixon did not say that, that is Iris speaking showing her disgust for ancient politicos who refuse to step down.
Jay Nixon mentioned neither Biden nor Trump in his work to get a third party candidate on the ballot. He may not even necessarily be that candidate, he is working to make it viable.
I am frantic to think the major parties are presenting the SAME TWO UNSAVORY CHARACTERS as the last .
What, exactly, do you find unsavory about Biden?
And no, I won’t be supporting a spoiler that has the potential to put traitor trump back in the White House.
Teacher Terry
7-30-23, 9:31am
I certainly wish that we had 2 younger viable candidates running. However, the last thing I am going to do is help trump by voting for a third party candidate.
I can't tell you how sick I am of abusive, combative, political bullies. That line alone would disqualify him for me.
Me, too, Jane.
iris lilies
7-30-23, 10:57am
What, exactly, do you find unsavory about Biden?
And no, I won’t be supporting a spoiler that has the potential to put traitor trump back in the White House.
You do not really want to know exactly why I object to Joe Biden so I will not take my time to detail that.
You do not really want to know exactly why I object to Joe Biden so I will not take my time to detail that.
Actually I do. Unlike traitor trump whose unsavory qualities are obvious, and a selling point to his fans, if Biden has unsavory qualities I don't see them. I suppose if you think he and Hunter are interchangeable, and actually believe the BS hitjob that was done on hunter via some laptop, that might be it?
I think that if Biden’s DOJ issues no charges against Hunter until they run down the clock on the statute of limitations, that would be pretty unsavory.
The whole laptop thing was dismissed as a BS hit job until it morphed into an “invasion of privacy” without so much as a backward glance.
I suppose if you think he and Hunter are interchangeable, and actually believe the BS hitjob that was done on hunter via some laptop, that might be it?
I know it's important to some to believe that the laptop isn't Hunter's, and that whatever documents such as emails, instant messages, etc., have been modified for political purposes. The problem with that is that he's admitted that the laptop is his and all those documents exist elsewhere such as in the accounts of various senders and receivers.
When Hunter complains about his father taking half his income, aren't you curious about what the big guy has done to deserve it? Aren't you even the least bit curious why there are so many shell companies muddying the waters on what happens to the money received from foreign interests? Or, why after 170 suspicious activity reports from various banks, no one has expressed interest in investigating them.
It sure seems likely to me that Hunter and the big guy are interchangeable, that Hunter's entire career has been based on being a conduit to his father's influence, and willing to work with any foreign entity willing to spend a few million harnessing that influence. I think that anyone who doesn't at least consider that is not paying attention.
iris lilies
7-30-23, 2:31pm
Actually I do. Unlike traitor trump whose unsavory qualities are obvious, and a selling point to his fans, if Biden has unsavory qualities I don't see them. I suppose if you think he and Hunter are interchangeable, and actually believe the BS hitjob that was done on hunter via some laptop, that might be it?
No, JP, I do not think Hunter and daddy Joe are interchangeable.
As I’ve said numerous times on this website, the story that resonates with me about Hunter Biden’s laptop is the collusion of media and government agencies to quash news about it. Until very recently, I didn’t pay attention to or care about contents of the laptop since that was all being adjudicated, and there may or may not be content there of note.
Is it the foolishness about President Biden sniffing someone's hair? Manufacturers go out of their way to make shampoos smell good for a reason. "Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific" was even a brand sold by Jergens. I guess that's the worst people can come up with, given our burgeoning economy.
iris lilies
7-30-23, 5:32pm
Is it the foolishness about President Biden sniffing someone's hair? Manufacturers go out of their way to make shampoos smell good for a reason. "Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific" was even a brand sold by Jergens. I guess that's the worst people can come up with, given our burgeoning economy.
Do you think I care about memes of Biden sniffing peoples hair? Are you serious?
Do you think I care about memes of Biden sniffing peoples hair? Are you serious?
I think it's called "white-wash, rinse, repeat".
Do you think I care about memes of Biden sniffing peoples hair? Are you serious?
You can never tell these days...
Well, I have to say watching him nibble on that little girl creeped me out a bit.
Well, I have to say watching him nibble on that little girl creeped me out a bit.
As much as you were creeped out when you saw the ‘grab ‘em by the pussy’ tape? Oh wait. I think that was someone else I’m thinking of. You weren’t particularly bothered by that.
Teacher Terry
7-30-23, 10:13pm
Biden has issues but to even compare anything he has done to trump is unbelievable. Trump is a traitor and if he could have gotten the secret service and Pence on board he would now be a dictator. I don’t understand how anyone can overlook that. Our country was founded on a peaceful transfer of power and until trump this was honored.
The real travesty is that he is just being charged with crimes. The bottom line is that it doesn’t matter who’s in power if the election results are honored. As history has shown we will have both parties in power at different times as it should be.
The real travesty is that he is just being charged with crimes.
What would you prefer?
What would you prefer?
Terry, did you mean, "just now being charged with crimes"?
As much as you were creeped out when you saw the ‘grab ‘em by the pussy’ tape? Oh wait. I think that was someone else I’m thinking of. You weren’t particularly bothered by that.
Yes I was. It’s one of the reasons I didn’t vote for him.
Teacher Terry
7-31-23, 10:30am
Terry, did you mean, "just now being charged with crimes"?
Yes Tybee that’s exactly what I meant!! It’s taken forever just to charge him.
iris lilies
8-3-23, 9:25am
Our country’s gerontocracy continues to reign as Mitch McConnell has a senior moment, some sort of old age related brain freeze.
Biden stumbling and falling, Feinstein catatonic. And I just learned that the president of the senate, Chuck Grassley, is 89 freaking years old.
I am an old person who is ageist. We need to get rid of these ancient creaky politicians.The world is laughing at us when they arent concerned about a superpower being run by a bunch of dotty oldsters.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/27/biden-mcconnell-old-age-retire-us-politicians-gerontocracy/
Teacher Terry
8-3-23, 11:18am
Totally agree IL!!!
When asked what he thought of another Trump/Biden contest, Bill Barr said “I’ll jump off that bridge when we come to it”.
Our country’s gerontocracy continues to reign as Mitch McConnell has a senior moment, some sort of old age related brain freeze.
Biden stumbling and falling, Feinstein catatonic. And I just learned that the president of the senate, Chuck Grassley, is 89 freaking years old.
I am an old person who is ageist. We need to get rid of these ancient creaky politicians.The world is laughing at us when they arent concerned about a superpower being run by a bunch of dotty oldsters.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/27/biden-mcconnell-old-age-retire-us-politicians-gerontocracy/
It must take a certain kind of ego to convince yourself that you are better equipped at 80 years old to handle your extremely important job than anyone else around. I agree with you. If it winds up being a Biden/Trump contest, I will vote for Biden, not because I am pro-Biden. I'm pro-environmental policy and I don't see any candidate from the Green Party winning the election, and I certainly don't want to revisit the days of Trump rolling back 100 environmental regulations, inviting his business cronies to head the EPA, and removing protections from forests and indigenous sacred lands.
iris lilies
8-18-23, 6:27pm
So should I fire up a subscription to the New York Times so that I may read in-depth coverage of Joe Biden‘s interactions with his son’s business that centered on access to .daddy Joe? I would like to read the full story, carefully and thoroughly told. The New York Times would be the place, right?
The heat is getting hotter on President Biden and I now think there’s something “there “there.
NY Times seems to have quite a bit of coverage of Hunter.
Lots of good recipes too.
Have at it.
NY Times seems to have quite a bit of coverage of Hunter.
Yes, but have they expressed any curiosity about the identity of Robert L Peters or JRB Ware? I'm not a subscriber so can't check for myself.
Yes, but have they expressed any curiosity about the identity of Robert L Peters or JRB Ware? I'm not a subscriber so can't check for myself.
Not sure, I don't read the entire thing. To answer Iris' query, I simply did a by-date search for "Hunter Biden" stories from the last week, and got several pages of headline hits. The headlines alone seemed to indicate "bad news for the Bidens".
My assumption is that almost every politician of every stripe and their hanger-on family members are corrupt to the core and should be run out of town on a rail, it's a big timesaver.
The recipes though, very nice stuff.
I searched the NYT for both names: Robert L. Peters and JRB Ware. Nothing.
There is coverage in the NY Post, MSN, Newsweek and The Hill. Can't reliably search the Washington Post or WSJ.
It’s a shame for republicans that Archer’s testimony last week was such a dud. But I suppose just as we had 342 pointless investigations into BENGHAZI!!! BENGHAZI!!!!! BENGHAZI!!!! we’ll have endless sham investigations about Hunter biden. And of course in the meantime republicans will continue to be completely unconcerned about why the Saudi’s gave Jared kushner $2 billion.
iris lilies
8-19-23, 5:39pm
So, one of Hunter Biden’s legal charges is a federal gun charge. I have not been paying much attention to the Hunter Biden story, but this makes me wonder what the gun control crowd thinks.
I understand that if the brothers in St. Louis with their illegally held guns aren’t being prosecuted, I wouldn’t much expect Hunter Biden to be prosecuted, but, that can’t be a universal point of view, right? What do you gun control folks think about this? Don’t you think we should enforce the gun laws we have? Piling on more gun laws isn’t going to help any situation if we aren’t willing to enforce what we have on the books.
early morning
8-21-23, 12:35pm
My brother is a very pro-second amendment, right wing thinking person. He is concerned that if Hunter Biden is prosecuted for this -in his words, relatively minor- federal gun charge, many more people will be, also. So he's in the unenviable position of not really wanting this particular prosecution to go forward, even though he really really does not like the Bidens... It's kind of funny, watching people tie themselves in knots to keep "their" folks in the clear while prosecuting the "others" for the same things. While both sides do this to a degree, the current crop of right-wingers have made it into an art form, lol. We on the left should be taking notes! :~)
I'm a strong advocate for free speech, even if I diagree with it. YouTube has a new policy that if whatever medical or nutritional content is featured disagrees with the edicts of the FDA, WHO, and other alphabet agencies, it can be removed. The WHO has a clear vegan agenda--their nutrition page pretends animal products don't even exist. I think veganism, while certaily a choice one can make, is--for most---a nutritionally inadequate subsistance diet. Time will tell how far YT is willing to push this.
So, one of Hunter Biden’s legal charges is a federal gun charge. I have not been paying much attention to the Hunter Biden story, but this makes me wonder what the gun control crowd thinks.
What was the precise crime he was charged with?
Politico and several other sources indicate:
Hunter responded “no” to a question on the transaction record that asks, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”
That is, he wrote "no" on a single line of the Form 4473, presumably question 11e. This is in fact a crime. I believe violations of this are rarely prosecuted when that is the only crime on the table, but used as bargaining chips for arranging a plea deal. (Indeed, many of our firearms laws are rarely prosecuted, which I find irksome. I'd love to see them spend some more time going after 11(a) on the list, for example...)
Note that if you are a user of cannabis products, even in a state where such is lawful, you will trip over this line.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf/page1-1200px-Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf.jp g
I woder why oenophiles can't trip over this one, too. Intoxication is intoxication, after all.
I woder why oenophiles can't trip over this one, too. Intoxication is intoxication, after all.
They do, in theory. In practice though....
It is very easy to stumble across one of the thousands of existing gun laws and become a felon in other ways.
I have a Thompson Contender pistol, which is a single-shot, break-open-action handgun, that I used to use for competitive target shooting. You can exchange barrels on it in mere moments, to change to a different length barrel, or to an entirely different cartridge caliber.
https://files.osgnetworks.tv/2/files/2017/11/ThompsonCenterContender.gif
So far so good.
Thompson also makes a rifle version of the very same firearm, which has a stock, and longer barrels. It uses the exact same receiver as the pistol, and makes a great single-shot hunting rifle, and is similarly versatile in that you can swap barrels to different calibers for different sorts of game or target shooting events:
https://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2015/04/Thompson_Center_G2_Contender_F.jpg
Now, here's the rub:
1) If you put one of your pistol barrels onto your rifle for even a second, you have "manufactured" a short-barreled rifle. This is a federal felony, and likely a state one depending on where you live. So, don't do that.
2) Also, don't unsnap the rifle stock from the metal receiver, and snap it onto your pistol, or vice versa, or, yet again, you are a felon.
3) Worse yet, if you *sell* your Thompson pistol and its barrels, but forget that you have an old .22LR barrel for it tucked away in your junk drawer, but continue to own the Thompson rifle, you are now likely a felon, *even if you don't attach the barrel to the rifle*, it's called "constructive possession", and the argument is you have a part in your possession that could be used to construct a "short barreled rifle". People have gone to jail for this, and a brief perusing of the legal databases will show quite a few lawsuits on this topic.
Go 'Merica!
iris lilies
8-21-23, 2:37pm
I'm a strong advocate for free speech, even if I diagree with it. YouTube has a new policy that if whatever medical or nutritional content is featured disagrees with the edicts of the FDA, WHO, and other alphabet agencies, it can be removed. The WHO has a clear vegan agenda--their nutrition page pretends animal products don't even exist. I think veganism, while certaily a choice one can make, is--for most---a nutritionally inadequate subsistance diet. Time will tell how far YT is willing to push this.
Oh yeah, the de-platforming of people who do not espouse the preferred narrative is unsettling.
This is when I have to remind myself Youtube is not the public square, it is a privately held corporation.
Oh yeah, the de-platforming of people who do not espouse the preferred narrative is unsettling.
This is when I have to remind myself Youtube is not the public square, it is a privately held corporation.
I don’t have a problem with a private platform moderating or not moderating content. I do have a problem with platforms colluding with government to “protect” us. I think there’s more to fear from censorship than misinformation.
early morning
8-22-23, 12:00pm
I think there’s more to fear from censorship than misinformation. Maybe. Not a fan of censorship. But to state the obvious - it wasn't censorship that led to Jan 6. So please, don't downplay the misinformation issue. There is MUCH to fear there, also. Historically, I believe (without extensively research, admittedly) lies and misinformation have led to much more evil than censorship has. We need to guard against both, IMHO.
Maybe. Not a fan of censorship. But to state the obvious - it wasn't censorship that led to Jan 6. So please, don't downplay the misinformation issue. There is MUCH to fear there, also. Historically, I believe (without extensively research, admittedly) lies and misinformation have led to much more evil than censorship has. We need to guard against both, IMHO.
I think that’s true on an individual basis, but I don’t trust government approved narratives as any kind of solution. I don’t see a constructive role for a Ministry of Truth.
iris lilies
8-22-23, 12:17pm
Maybe. Not a fan of censorship. But to state the obvious - it wasn't censorship that led to Jan 6. So please, don't downplay the misinformation issue. There is MUCH to fear there, also. Historically, I believe (without extensively research, admittedly) lies and misinformation have led to much more evil than censorship has. We need to guard against both, IMHO.
No, censorship is the greater evil than misinformation. Always and forever.
When whichever idiot in the White House is controlling all information channels, we are doomed, that does not serve our populace.
Twitter shutting down Donald Trump’s Twitter account was not the right thing to do. All that stuff then goes underground. Always and forever, let the wacky misinformation rise to the top where the sunshine hits it and we can all see it.
early morning
8-22-23, 1:26pm
I don’t trust government approved narratives as any kind of solution. I don’t see a constructive role for a Ministry of Truth. I am not in disagreement with this. I do think legal channels have a part to play - as in the Dominion lawsuit. However, I see a difference between a government narrative and laws that attach penalties for causing deliberate harm by lying and deliberately promoting/providing misinformation.
Always and forever, let the wacky misinformation rise to the top where the sunshine hits it and we can all see it. I see a major concern with the fact that we DON'T all see it, and often refuse to acknowledge it. I think you may be giving too many people too much credit. A few years ago, I would have agreed with you 100 percent. Now - not so sure.
iris lilies
8-22-23, 1:53pm
…I see a major concern with the fact that we DON'T all see it, and often refuse to acknowledge it. I think you may be giving too many people too much credit. A few years ago, I would have agreed with you 100 percent. Now - not so sure.
I agree that we do not all see it, with “ it” meaning potentially problematic content. Even tho the mainstream media does—if not a great job, a job—in highlighting the problematic content they think we should all see as problematic.
Another problem might be when we do not all draw the same conclusions from the “problematic” content. Some would consider that a BIG problem.
In the end, offering up the information, the misinformation, the true facts and the truthy facts for consumption, that’s
The best option for a free society.
Reason #371: New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham
Reason #371: New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham
It’s hard to see how this will withstand legal/constitutional scrutiny. Else what will prevent future hacks from declaring cars, cheeseburgers or leaf blowers to be “public health hazards”?
It’s hard to see how this will withstand legal/constitutional scrutiny. Else what will prevent future hacks from declaring cars, cheeseburgers or leaf blowers to be “public health hazards”?
"Three teens killed themselves after reading snarky social media posts on MySpace. I have decided to ban MySpace from the Internet in New Mexico, due to public health hazards. Printing presses too."
"Three teens killed themselves after reading snarky social media posts on MySpace. I have decided to ban MySpace from the Internet in New Mexico, due to public health hazards. Printing presses too."
I read that the NM AG has said he would not defend the Governor against any resulting lawsuits, and that at least one Sheriff will not enforce the ban. It sort of restores one’s faith.
iris lilies
9-13-23, 4:11pm
Mitt Romney just announced he will not run for another senatorial term. He is 76 years old. Time to make way for younger leaders, he says.
I guess this is really a reason “ not to vote for Republicans” because they do not believe they are hale and hardy and age appropriate for the most important government positions on earth. Unlike those Democratic leaders…
Yes, Mitch McConnell is certainly the picture of hale and hardy good health. Even better than the svelt leader of the republicans who at 78 years old clocks in at a physically fit 215 lbs supposedly…
iris lilies
9-13-23, 5:22pm
Yes, Mitch McConnell is certainly the picture of hale and hardy good health. Even better than the svelt leader of the republicans who at 78 years old clocks in at a physically fit 215 lbs supposedly…
I’m glad you are being served by such a robust nonagenarian.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/dianne-feinstein-senate-17079487.php
Chuck Grassley may top the congressional age chart at 89, although he at least seems hearty and hale, so far. Neither party has a monopoly on older individuals who should be tested for competency. That might apply to a Supreme Court justice or two also. Trump stands alone as one who has significant mental problems beyond just aging. Good on Romney for stating the issue.
Good on Romney for stating the issue.
I hate to lose a reasonable, sane politician in Washington, even though he's right that he (and "other people") should step aside and pave the way for the next generation.
iris lilies
9-13-23, 6:27pm
Chuck Grassley may top the congressional age chart at 89, although he at least seems hearty and hale, so far. Neither party has a monopoly on older individuals who should be tested for competency. That might apply to a Supreme Court justice or two also. Trump stands alone as one who has significant mental problems beyond just aging. Good on Romney for stating the issue.
Feinstein, jp’s senator, is 90.
but that old fart, Grassley needs to go as well.
All I can say is, it must be a sweet job working in the US legislature. I don't see too many others hanging on to their jobs for dear life.
I think we should go back to the founders vision of citizen legislators. People who would put their lives on hold for a term or two and then go back home knowing they'd done their patriotic duty.
iris lilies
9-13-23, 9:11pm
I think we should go back to the founders vision of citizen legislators. People who would put their lives on hold for a term or two and then go back home knowing they'd done their patriotic duty.
my friend from Virginia says one of her elders made the observation that when they put air conditioning into congressional chambers, the sessions got longer. More useless legislating was performed. The gentleman – legislators became full-time legislators.
It’s kind of funny, but kinda true, or an element of truth there anyway.
I think we should go back to the founders vision of citizen legislators. People who would put their lives on hold for a term or two and then go back home knowing they'd done their patriotic duty.
You mean people rich enough (or perhaps poor enough) to be able to do that?
You mean people rich enough (or perhaps poor enough) to be able to do that?
Some years ago I investigated running for Congress. At the time (> 25 years ago) the salary of a freshman Congresscritter did not seem adequate to allow maintaining reasonable housing in DC, and the various expenses. Clearly a job tailored for the wealthy.
I was in a discussion today about our congressperson Lauren Boebert, who was asked to leave a Denver theater performance recently and had to be escorted out. Story goes that she and her companion were using cell phones during the performance, making disturbing loud noises, and vaping. She denied the vaping accusation. I believe she has a GED as her highest level of education. Previous to being elected she was owner and manager of the Six Shooter Café in Rifle, Colorado. It had some notoriety due to the fact that the waitresses wore sidearms while serving meals. And as far as I know did not have family money.
One person said the salary of a representative is around 200,000/yr and you essentially get several months off. I'd have to do serious fact checking on that, but it might cut the bean rather thin for some. It's probably an expensive lifestyle.
iris lilies
9-14-23, 11:19am
You mean people rich enough (or perhaps poor enough) to be able to do that?
In my lifetime, state legislators were those citizen-legislators who ran a business (or a farm, where I come from) and stayed in the state capital months out of the year, usually bunking with a fellow legislator or two.
No, they weren’t rich, but they were well off enough to step away from their business for a while. It was a sacrifice.
now it seems they are more “ On” all the time, full time.
gimmethesimplelife
9-22-23, 8:01pm
Back to the original question. I hope Biden/Harris don't run again. Rob
Came back to say that that was one of my more brilliant posts, no? As Biden is indeed running again. So I will just change my comment to I wish he was not. Rob
Back to the original question. I hope Biden/Harris don't run again. Rob
Who would run in their place? To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, "You don't go into an election with the candidate you wish existed, you go into an election with the candidate you have."
If we're going to discuss democrats that need to go away I'd put Senator Menendez at the top of the list. That shady dude needs to resign, like today. At the absolute minimum he needs to be removed from his committee assignments.
I hope Biden/Harris don't run again. Rob
Based upon health concerns, low approval ratings, lack of big money Democratic donor support and the very real possibility that Biden will be positively linked to his son's influence peddling scheme, I suspect he will bow out of the race early next year after granting a blanket pardon to Hunter in hopes all investigations will go away before the money trail is fully explored.
Based upon Harris's even lower approval ratings and virtually non-existent Democratic donor support, I suspect she will step away from politics as soon as Biden bows out of the race.
I would then expect Newsom's campaign to raise his profile nationally to take off while a few other ambitious Democrats throw their hats into the ring as well.
And, if I'm wrong, it's beginning to look like Trump will best the Biden/Harris ticket in the electoral college and their ticket will quickly become a historical side note. So, I wouldn't worry about them if I were you.
I wonder when comer and gym Jordan are going to actually come up with some evidence against joe biden. That clown car has been trying hard for some time now without success. The only people who actually think they have credibility are so far down the Republican rabbit hole that they don’t realize how silly the rest of the world thinks they sound.
iris lilies
9-22-23, 11:04pm
I wonder when comer and gym Jordan are going to actually come up with some evidence against joe biden. That clown car has been trying hard for some time now without success. The only people who actually think they have credibility are so far down the Republican rabbit hole that they don’t realize how silly the rest of the world thinks they sound.
I would vote for Newsom over Trump. As repugnant as it as it is, I’ve already decided to vote for Biden over Trump but please God if only the Democrats could put in someone who’s not completely ancient, and now appears corrupt.
I’m not too worried about the California-ication of my region, at least in my lifetime. There’s only so much Newsom can do around here.
Senator Robert Menendez
Haha.
Biden ... now appears corrupt.
He only appears corrupt if you believe the fake, fact free "news" that republicans have been spewing in a failing effort to smear him. Most average people are going to pay way more attention to things like the republican plan to shut down the government. Why people keep voting for the baby temper tantrum party I'll never understand.
I would vote for Newsom over Trump. As repugnant as it as it is, I’ve already decided to vote for Biden over Trump but please God if only the Democrats could put in someone who’s not completely ancient, and now appears corrupt.
I’m not too worried about the California-ication of my region, at least in my lifetime. There’s only so much Newsom can do around here.
He’s not a candidate for President, but he plays one on TV.
He only appears corrupt if you believe the fake, fact free "news" that republicans have been spewing in a failing effort to smear him. Most average people are going to pay way more attention to things like the republican plan to shut down the government. Why people keep voting for the baby temper tantrum party I'll never understand.
I’d like to hear more about the sixteen shell companies and the bank records before we treat this like Hunter’s laptop and insist it’s all a fake.
Maybe the republicans could subpoena him, like they did Clinton, and end up getting him to lie about an irrelevant to the investigation blowjob when it turns out to be a nothing burger.
iris lilies
9-29-23, 9:06am
Feinstein, jp’s senator, is 90.
but that old fart, Grassley needs to go as well.
Diane Feinstein is dead.
ApatheticNoMore
9-29-23, 12:30pm
This is good. Ok I'm a terrible person for saying anyone's death is good, but that's the only way she would stop being a Senator, the damn woman would not retire. Not my fault we couldn't get rid of her, I voted for Kevin DeLeon and don't even regret it.
Diane Feinstein is dead.
She changed my life.
I remember seeing her standing on the steps of SF city hall when she was mayor, proudly announcing the (illegal) handgun ban she had just signed. And surrendering her own handgun. Well, at that time, she had one of the *8* pistol carry permits that had been issued in SF(*), and her own handgun was actually still sitting in her purse. The gun she surrendered was from the police evidence room.
I knew well several of the other 7, one of whom was on the Board of Supervisors with her at the time.
This led me to my hobby of litigating against illegal firearm regulations passed by cities and counties in California, which at the time had total state preemption of firearm regulation.
(*) This is in an era where I had to take my own town's police chief to court, because he wouldn't even hand you the from to *apply* for a permit, though according to records there was zero chance you would be approved, unless you were a close personal friend of his. One of the other jurisdictions nearby you'd have a better chance, the records in the court cases showed the process consisted of handing the issuing authority $5000 in cash when nobody was looking.
The whole thing shaped my view of how the government actually worked.
This is good. Ok I'm a terrible person for saying anyone's death is good, but that's the only way she would stop being a Senator, the damn woman would not retire.
Now that she's dealing with this current health issue, will she no longer be voting?
iris lilies
9-29-23, 7:17pm
Now that she's dealing with this current health issue, will she no longer be voting?
Haha look for her to not vote for quite a while. She’ll be damned if she steps down, though.
Based upon health concerns, low approval ratings, lack of big money Democratic donor support and the very real possibility that Biden will be positively linked to his son's influence peddling scheme, I suspect he will bow out of the race early next year after granting a blanket pardon to Hunter in hopes all investigations will go away before the money trail is fully explored.
Based upon Harris's even lower approval ratings and virtually non-existent Democratic donor support, I suspect she will step away from politics as soon as Biden bows out of the race.
I would then expect Newsom's campaign to raise his profile nationally to take off while a few other ambitious Democrats throw their hats into the ring as well.
Diane Feinstein is dead.
Wouldn't it be interesting if whoever runs the DNC solves the problems I mentioned above by convincing Harris to resign from the Vice Presidency so that Gavin Newsom could appoint her to fill Feinstein's seat? He's said that he will only appoint a woman of color so she's qualified, plus she could probably turn that into a long career which her current path probably can't guarantee.
Then, those nameless folks who run the party could tell Biden he must drop out of the upcoming race so that Newsom can take his place, thereby solving several problems at once. I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe some of those folks think Feinstein's death couldn't have come at a better time.
iris lilies
9-29-23, 9:23pm
Wouldn't it be interesting if whoever runs the DNC solves the problems I mentioned above by convincing Harris to resign from the Vice Presidency so that Gavin Newsom could appoint her to fill Feinstein's seat? He's said that he will only appoint a woman of color so she's qualified, plus she could probably turn that into a long career which her current path probably can't guarantee.
Then, those nameless folks who run the party could tell Biden he must drop out of the upcoming race so that Newsom can take his place, thereby solving several problems at once. I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe some of those folks think Feinstein's death couldn't have come at a better time.
this is the scenario we deserve, but will not get.
Wouldn't it be interesting if whoever runs the DNC solves the problems I mentioned above by convincing Harris to resign from the Vice Presidency so that Gavin Newsom could appoint her to fill Feinstein's seat? He's said that he will only appoint a woman of color so she's qualified, plus she could probably turn that into a long career which her current path probably can't guarantee.
Then, those nameless folks who run the party could tell Biden he must drop out of the upcoming race so that Newsom can take his place, thereby solving several problems at once. I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe some of those folks think Feinstein's death couldn't have come at a better time.
Interesting speculation. i could see where odds of Biden's re election could improve with a stronger or more popular VP rather than Harris. Whoever he might pick could have a decent shot at inheriting the presidency if Biden were elected. Newsom has the same used car salesman persona as Kevin McCarthy as I see it.
Newsom has zero appeal to me.
iris lilies
9-30-23, 12:20am
Newsom has zero appeal to me.
He is not 80 frking years old. The oldster stuff is really bothering me.
He is not 80 frking years old. The oldster stuff is really bothering me.
The 80 year old folks have zero appeal to me as well.
Newsom becoming the democratic nominee is about as likely as Youngkin becoming the Republican nominee. The likelihood of either happening is approximately -142%.
iris lilies
10-4-23, 11:02pm
Bill Maher has a funny piece about “Joe Biden Bader Ginsberg” not knowing when to quit, hanging onto his job to the detriment of our country. Maher gives Joe Biden his due for past political performance, but simply, he is too old. He appears too old. Everyone thinks he’s too old.
His video included a funny bit about Mitch McConnell’s speech problem that Maher called “buffering..” Hilarious.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Whdg-XLUQ
Apparently the Democrats are to be blamed for the GOP overthrowing their Speaker, and the ensuing chaos.
What a world we live in....
Apparently the Democrats are to be blamed for the GOP overthrowing their Speaker, and the ensuing chaos.
.
8 Republicans can't generate much chaos without the wholehearted support of 208 Democrats.
8 Republicans can't generate much chaos without the wholehearted support of 208 Democrats.
And yet it was one of the republicans that instigated the chaos. The democrats would never have brought a motion to vacate.
And yet it was one of the republicans that instigated the chaos. The democrats would never have brought a motion to vacate.
Yes, that's correct, and the result was that 100% of House Democrats joined 3.6% of House Republicans in voting to vacate the speaker appointment. It seems appropriate to me to assign some blame there for the ensuing chaos.
Since republicans control the house it’s on them to have prevented the chaos. But the burn it all down wing of your party loves chaos. Heck, they were also in favor of overthrowing the government a couple of years ago when their sore loser party leader lost the election so why should this be a surprise to anyone?
Yes, that's correct, and the result was that 100% of House Democrats joined 3.6% of House Republicans in voting to vacate the speaker appointment. It seems appropriate to me to assign some blame there for the ensuing chaos.
That's....an interesting outlook.
Heck, a handful of GOP representatives could trivially extend the hand of cooperation to Hakeem Jeffries and elect him as Speaker. If the GOP can't run a functional House, and do the peoples' business, they should step aside.
Apparently the stench in the wind today is "Speaker Trump", however, so don't hold your breath.
And now we learn that menendez’s then future wife was given a car by the Egyptian businessman who is accused of bribing him. After she ran over and left for dead a man. This asswipe really needs to listen to all his fellow democrats and resign already.
And now we learn that menendez’s then future wife was given a car by the Egyptian businessman who is accused of bribing him. After she ran over and left for dead a man. This asswipe really needs to listen to all his fellow democrats and resign already.
Maybe a package deal could be made to expel Menendez and Santos at the same time. And maybe that guy who pulled the fire alarm as well.
A recent 60 minutes interview with Michael Lewis was about his interviews with Sam Bankman-Fried (i.e. SBF). As the story goes, SBF had a team of his meet with a Trump team through back channels. Sam wanted to ask, how much money if it would take for Trump not to run again and if such a thing were legal. The answer came back from the Trump team, something around five billion. It's a good story, but less believable than his meeting to buy a few favors from Mitch McConnell, which seemed legal and better documented.
The 60 minutes episode is searchable if interested and the NYT had a recent article questioning some of Lewis's accuracy.
Maybe a package deal could be made to expel Menendez and Santos at the same time. And maybe that guy who pulled the fire alarm as well.
Why would the democrats make a deal to let republicans off the hook for supporting santos. The republicans think menendez should fight and stay. The democrats would be better off pointing out that they think santos and lendmdez should resign but that republicans like shitty people.
Newsom becoming the democratic nominee is about as likely as Youngkin becoming the Republican nominee. The likelihood of either happening is approximately -142%.
VP? Dems make Harris an offer she can't refuse - nomination and support in a run for Feinstein's seat?
VP? Dems make Harris an offer she can't refuse - nomination and support in a run for Feinstein's seat?
We already have three great candidates running for feinstein’s seat. And why would Harris be interested in going back to just being a senator?
iris lilies
10-7-23, 10:01am
We already have three great candidates running for feinstein’s seat. And why would Harris be interested in going back to just being a senator?
It is a graceful exit for her. It is for the good of the country. Are you saying she cannot see these reasons?
also California gets what it wants, a black female senator.
frugal-one
10-7-23, 4:05pm
It is a graceful exit for her. It is for the good of the country. Are you saying she cannot see these reasons?
also California gets what it wants, a black female senator.
Wow…. graceful exit? why? As jp1 said… why would she want to be demoted? Why would it be good for the country? What other VP would ever have considered this?
iris lilies
10-7-23, 4:36pm
Wow…. graceful exit? why? As jp1 said… why would she want to be demoted? Why would it be good for the country? What other VP would ever have considered this?
No snark: I think being a United
states Senator is more interesting and useful and should interest public servants who really want to serve. It’s also incredibly prestigious. And if one is any good at the job and at campaigning, you can hold that job for decades. You can’t be vice president all that long.
Who was it who said the vice presidency was worth “a bucket of warm spit””?
Who was it who said the vice presidency was worth “a bucket of warm spit””?
Exactly.
I mean, Kamala seems to have essentially vanished from the public eye since becoming VP.
Exactly.
I mean, Kamala seems to have essentially vanished from the public eye since becoming VP.
“There were once two brothers. One ran off to join the circus, the other was elected vice president; and neither was ever heard from again.”
iris lilies
10-8-23, 1:17pm
“There were once two brothers. One ran off to join the circus, the other was elected vice president; and neither was ever heard from again.”
timed exercise:
Name the last 5 vice presidents… GO!
timed exercise:
Name the last 5 vice presidents… GO!
Off the top of my head, typing in real time, I've got:
Kamala
Pence
Biden
Cheney, still in his undisclosed location?
Gore, still flying around in his jet?
Quayle, perhaps now a spokesman for the potato/potatoe industry?
Bush, the "loser" aviator from WWII and father of Shrub
Fishface, er, Mondale
Rockefeller/Ford/Agnew - Watergate and fun.
Blank
LBJ
Nixon
More Blanks
Truman
Many Blanks
Coolidge
Blank blank blankity blank
Teddy!!!!
Blank(s)
Stevenson
Blank(s)?
Andrew Johnson ("Other than that, how did you like the play?")
Blanks
Millard Fillmore (because his name sounds hilarious is the only reason he's in the brain still)
Tyler (Tippacanoe and Tyler too)
Van Buren
Calhoun (sp?)
...
George Clinton and his P-Funk Allstars
Aaron Burr ("Got Milk?")
Jefferson
Adams
(Looks like I remember the ones that became President, or have funny names, or were Founding Fathers, or are very recent)
rosarugosa
10-8-23, 4:16pm
I could do the last 5 without straining my brain, but it got pretty foggy beyond that.
iris lilies
10-8-23, 4:54pm
I could do the last 5 without straining my brain, but it got pretty foggy beyond that.
I got stuck at Cheney.
Then, going back, got stuck at VP for President Bush I although I guess that was Dan Quayle who I remember, just not where he fit in the line of VP succession.
I got stuck at Cheney.
Then, going back, got stuck at VP for President Bush I although I guess that was Dan Quayle who I remember, just not where he fit in the line of VP succession.
The only reason I even remember him is the whole potato thing.
iris lilies
10-8-23, 5:43pm
The only reason I even remember him is the whole potato thing.
And Pence reportedly consulted with Dan Quayle about his boss’ request to not certify results of the 2020 Presidential election.
And Pence reportedly consulted with Dan Quayle about his boss’ request to not certify results of the 2020 Presidential election.
Right? I'd wiped that horror from my memory. Imagine the integrity of our government hinging on Dan Quayle's intellect!
Agree, IL. Plus it's an assured, prestigious, well-paid job. Running on a Biden ticket might be a lot more risky.
The news says that Cheney is not ruling out a White House bid. I know of at least one Democrat friend a and maybe another who have said they would cross party lines to vote for her if she ran. It seems a little late to get started, at least for this election. She said given the choice between Biden and Trump, she would vote for Biden. Got to like her for a few things anyway.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4270353-liz-cheney-not-ruling-out-white-house-bid/
Promoting freedom, liberty and a Democratic Republic over feelings and Maoism/Fascism, one vote at a time.
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iris lilies
11-7-23, 2:53pm
Go Alan, go!
we had nothing on the ballot today, that I could find, anyway. Very weird for a November voting day.
Now I need to go off and double check that.
ToomuchStuff
11-7-23, 2:57pm
Promoting freedom, liberty and a Democratic Republic over feelings and Maoism/Fascism, one vote at a time.
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Are you announcing?
I should know by 8:15PST tonight if I got elected to the non-partisan position of Fire Commissioner. I engineered a takeover of the Commission by finding solid candidates to run against 3 of the 5 incumbents in this election. Unfortunately, one of my "volunteers" stepped out, so I had to run myself.
The Commission has been terribly dysfunctional the past 4 years or so - violating Public Meetings/Public Records laws, engaging in behaviour that drove ~1/2 of our volunteers out, budget mismanagement, violating elections laws, and so on and so on.
Hopefully that all stops today.
Interestingly, for this non-partisan position, I got lots of emails and phone calls asking my opinion on "woke culture", the Israel/Hamas conflict, the Ukrainian war, abortion, and half a dozen other things. Which seemed to not be pertinent to the job, which consists of budgeting and oversight of a fire/ems agency.
Strange days.
Are you announcing?
Yes, announcing my reasoning for not voting Democrat.
iris lilies
11-7-23, 4:14pm
I should know by 8:15PST tonight if I got elected to the non-partisan position of Fire Commissioner. I engineered a takeover of the Commission by finding solid candidates to run against 3 of the 5 incumbents in this election. Unfortunately, one of my "volunteers" stepped out, so I had to run myself.
The Commission has been terribly dysfunctional the past 4 years or so - violating Public Meetings/Public Records laws, engaging in behaviour that drove ~1/2 of our volunteers out, budget mismanagement, violating elections laws, and so on and so on.
Hopefully that all stops today.
Interestingly, for this non-partisan position, I got lots of emails and phone calls asking my opinion on "woke culture", the Israel/Hamas conflict, the Ukrainian war, abortion, and half a dozen other things. Which seemed to not be pertinent to the job, which consists of budgeting and oversight of a fire/ems agency.
Strange days.
I attended a meeting of our city’s Planning and Zoning Commission where our attorney argued the legal points of federal, state, and local definitions of “family” having to do with local zoning ordinance. Our case is logical and in sync with state law.
I could tell the discussion was lost on at least 3 of the 9 Commissioners. They will depend on the recommendations of the city attorney anyway.
It struck me that ChatGPT will soon be able to run these boards and commissions better than the plodding, dunderheaded hoomans. And then, Chat GPT can move on to Legislative bodies.
frugal-one
11-7-23, 8:45pm
Fascism is the republican way these days…by trying to overthrow the government and manipulate to a one party system any way possible!
Fascism is the republican way these days…by trying to overthrow the government and manipulate to a one party system any way possible!
There are so many differing descriptions of fascism I should be more specific when I mention fascism from the left, I'm referring to the Social Fascism movement of the early 1900's which Stalin described as the "twin brother" of social democracy, which we now see in Democratic Socialism. He believed that fascism depended upon the power of social democracy and social democracy was only possible with the support of fascism. We're seeing an awful lot of that these days in our every day politics.
You and I are both using the term fascism as a pejorative, just applying it to different sides.
Promoting freedom, liberty and a Democratic Republic over feelings and Maoism/Fascism, one vote at a time.
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Maoism from the democrats. Those of us in the reality based world can only LOL. Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle we have a party leader and likely presidential nominee who promises authoritarianism and using the government to go after his political enemies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/05/trump-revenge-second-term/
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