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Here, I invite Romney supporters to discuss/list Romney's achievements, and /or why you think he is the best person to be President of the free world. Again, we should give you the space to promote your candidate, but if we feel fact checking is needed, with proper links, we'll do that.
2 weeks to go. Let's lay out our arguments.:)
iris lily
10-24-12, 1:06pm
Here, I invite Romney supporters to discuss/list Romney's achievements, and /or why you think he is the best person to be President of the free world. Again, we should give you the space to promote your candidate, but if we feel fact checking is needed, with proper links, we'll do that.
2 weeks to go. Let's lay out our arguments.:)
Pointless. You'll be using this thread to bait and snark. No, thanks.
"We"... ROFL
It's the hive mindset. "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated."
Swam up, sniffed the worm, swam away. Bugs are better anyway.
Yossarian
10-24-12, 1:40pm
I hear he arranged a cook out with his neighbors once. Neighbors are like a community. Arranging is like organizing. Ergo Mitt is a community organizer and thus eminently qualified to be president. QED.
iris lily
10-24-12, 1:41pm
Swam up, sniffed the worm, swam away. Bugs are better anyway.
That was hilarious!
ApatheticNoMore
10-24-12, 2:33pm
Here you go: he's not Obama, so whereas Obama's evils are known, things like assainating Americans and pushing for NDAA. Romney's evils aren't actually known and are more theoreticals with good probability. Now true Romney says he would have supported the NDAA and supports drone use, he's not exactly coming out against any of this to put it mildly. But then he hasn't worn the ring of (real and terrifying, not state level) power yet. There exists some small roulette wheel potential (and it really is random spinning not rational choice) he wouldn't abuse it as badly as Obama, the Nixon in China potential. Other than that, you want me to defend right Keysianism, deficit spending via tax cuts to stimulate the economy which seems Romney's real financial plan? Um, I'm not sure I can make a strong defense of that. Now he's also into Keysianism of the old fashioned variety via military spending, ah well we've been dependent on that since WWII I guess right ...
Now for Obama: he's doesn't talk as bad as Romney on the environment, he may not be quite as pillage and burn down the whole thing as Romney. A little bit destroying the planet is kind of like a little big pregnant though isn't it?
Now I could easily defend the 3rd party I'm actually going to vote for :) Their major flaws are just things like 3rd parties are not serious enough or well organized enough at all, at any level, to be what they need to be.
Birchwood
10-24-12, 3:15pm
Romney's achievement is being able to capitalize being born rich and getting into an enterprise that benefit people like him.
Read David Stockman's article in Newsweek about Romney as a business man. He is not really a "job creator" but a financial
manipulator, who got into companies, hype it and sell them,got his money and left a trail of suffering for the employees.
The guy pays 14% in taxes, did not want to release most of it, and public records showed his money in the Cayman island, and Switzerland, and claim he will create jobs then turn around and says Govt. does not create jobs. I'm amaze that almost half of the country will vote for him.
The guy pays 14% in taxes, did not want to release most of it, and public records showed his money in the Cayman island, and Switzerland, and claim he will create jobs then turn around and says Govt. does not create jobs. I'm amaze that almost half of the country will vote for him.
It's true that government does not create jobs, but it can create an environment that is conducive to creating jobs. That's what we've been missing lately.
I feel the same sense of amazement that almost half of the country doesn't recognize that.
So, no good words for Romney huh? That's pretty telling.
I gave each candidate a thread, and listed some of Obama's achievements in good faith. (sniff that worm all you want!) I used the word 'we' cause I was really hoping for some positive lists of his achievements without negative posts, but apparently negative is about all anyone can say about this guy.
So much for his support. I guess even his 'supporters' can't come up with a few good accomplishments. Does anyone even like this guy!
I think I'll go list some more Obama achievements.
http://www.cambridge.org/jacket/9780521878630/size/lg
Does anyone even like this guy!
We'll find out in a little less than two weeks.
goldensmom
10-24-12, 5:49pm
So, no good words for Romney huh? That's pretty telling.
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What it is telling of is that Romney supporters may not feel a need to spar and I think that is the real intent of this thread.
iris lily
10-24-12, 8:05pm
So, no good words for Romney huh? That's pretty telling.
Not at all. This thread is about you, and the responses indicate that. That you immediately turned it to snark was entirely predictable.
loosechickens
10-24-12, 11:45pm
hmmmm....looks like most of the conservatives here on this board are taking the same tack as Mitt Romney on releasing a number of years of his taxes....."if we do that, it will just give you ammunition to attack us"........one would THINK that solid accomplishments would speak for themselves, and it would be hard to refute them.
We have a relative who served five years in Federal prison for doing a business very much like many you see advertised on TV....such as Nutrislim, various exercise machines that "melt" off the weight, etc., but because he really wasn't an experienced criminal, and didn't know all the ways to protect himself by lots of fine print at the bottom of his advertising (that no one can ever read, anyway), and didn't have enough "results atypical", and "not to be construed as a usual result, your results may differ"....you know, those sorts of things....made the difference between pocketing millions "legitimately" and serving time in the pen......one group on one side of the law and the other just over the edge onto the other side, and then into prison, because they lacked enough smart lawyers. But businesses that effectively, were exactly the same. With only layers of tax men and attorneys between the "legitimate" businessmen and the "practitioners of mail fraud"......
I've read a bunch of stuff about how Romney operated, and business as practiced by Bain.......it reminds me of nothing more closely than the mafia practice of "busting out" a business, only being bolstered by lots of layers of lawyers, skirting right on the edge of the law, and/or being powerful enough to see that the laws are nudged to make what you are doing "legal".
In the Sopranos, Tony Soprano gets a sporting equipment business owner in debt to him, then loads up the guys business with debt to get his "investment" plus profit back, and once the business can no longer stagger under the load of debt that has been run up,, does a "bust out", which means that he walks out and lets the business be liquidated, and makes a bunch of money. When I saw that episode recently, it reminded me of nothing more than the "over the line legally" version of the bust outs that Bain Capital specialized in, while staying over on the "legal" side of the line.
Looking for businesses that they could load up with debt, pay themselves many millions of dollars in fees with the money that was borrowed, then if the business couldn't continue to stagger under that debt, closed up shop, liquidated the business, put the workers out of jobs, etc. If the business COULD stagger along under the debt and the millions it was paying Bain, then they held it for awhile until they could make more money selling it than dumping it into bankruptcy. Vulture capitalism at its finest.
It was a wonderful business plan. Romney and company made money if the business succeeded, and Romney and company made money if it didn't. And, that vulture capitalism was only separated from Tony Soprano by knowing exactly where the line was and being on the right side, or appearing to be. We don't really know, because we haven't seen the tax records to know.
Of course, there is a place for venture capitalism in this country, and even Bain operated as venture capitalists in some of the businesses they involved themselves in, and those are the ones they point to as how great Romney was as a businessman. But Romney and Bain Capital also engaged in a lot of "vulture capitalism", which is the ugly underbelly of the venture capital world, and often the most profitable, because you make lots of money whether or not the business succeeds. In fact, the game is so rigged, that you can't lose. Kind of like Tony Soprano, but "legal".
Mitt Romney's strength is that he was ruthless in business and figured out how to make lots and lots of money whether the businesses he invested in were profitable or if they went bankrupt. Maybe he can find a way to make bankrupting the USA profitable to him and the others at the top. We may find out.
gimmethesimplelife
10-24-12, 11:55pm
hmmmm....looks like most of the conservatives here on this board are taking the same tack as Mitt Romney on releasing a number of years of his taxes....."if we do that, it will just give you ammunition to attack us"........one would THINK that solid accomplishments would speak for themselves, and it would be hard to refute them.
We have a relative who served five years in Federal prison for doing a business very much like many you see advertised on TV....such as Nutrislim, various exercise machines that "melt" off the weight, etc., but because he really wasn't an experienced criminal, and didn't know all the ways to protect himself by lots of fine print at the bottom of his advertising (that no one can ever read, anyway), and didn't have enough "results atypical", and "not to be construed as a usual result, your results may differ"....you know, those sorts of things....made the difference between pocketing millions "legitimately" and serving time in the pen......one group on one side of the law and the other just over the edge onto the other side, and then into prison, because they lacked enough smart lawyers. But businesses that effectively, were exactly the same. With only layers of tax men and attorneys between the "legitimate" businessmen and the "practitioners of mail fraud"......
I've read a bunch of stuff about how Romney operated, and business as practiced by Bain.......it reminds me of nothing more closely than the mafia practice of "busting out" a business, only being bolstered by lots of layers of lawyers, skirting right on the edge of the law, and/or being powerful enough to see that the laws are nudged to make what you are doing "legal".
In the Sopranos, Tony Soprano gets a sporting equipment business owner in debt to him, then loads up the guys business with debt to get his "investment" plus profit back, and once the business can no longer stagger under the load of debt that has been run up,, does a "bust out", which means that he walks out and lets the business be liquidated, and makes a bunch of money. When I saw that episode recently, it reminded me of nothing more than the "over the line legally" version of the bust outs that Bain Capital specialized in, while staying over on the "legal" side of the line.
Looking for businesses that they could load up with debt, pay themselves many millions of dollars in fees with the money that was borrowed, then if the business couldn't continue to stagger under that debt, closed up shop, liquidated the business, put the workers out of jobs, etc. If the business COULD stagger along under the debt and the millions it was paying Bain, then they held it for awhile until they could make more money selling it than dumping it into bankruptcy. Vulture capitalism at its finest.
It was a wonderful business plan. Romney and company made money if the business succeeded, and Romney and company made money if it didn't. And, that vulture capitalism was only separated from Tony Soprano by knowing exactly where the line was and being on the right side, or appearing to be. We don't really know, because we haven't seen the tax records to know.
Of course, there is a place for venture capitalism in this country, and even Bain operated as venture capitalists in some of the businesses they involved themselves in, and those are the ones they point to as how great Romney was as a businessman. But Romney and Bain Capital also engaged in a lot of "vulture capitalism", which is the ugly underbelly of the venture capital world, and often the most profitable, because you make lots of money whether or not the business succeeds. In fact, the game is so rigged, that you can't lose. Kind of like Tony Soprano, but "legal".
Mitt Romney's strength is that he was ruthless in business and figured out how to make lots and lots of money whether the businesses he invested in were profitable or if they went bankrupt. Maybe he can find a way to make bankrupting the USA profitable to him and the others at the top. We may find out.Loosechickens, great to see you here!!!!! It's been awhile and I for one have missed your presence here. And you are dead-on in your assessment of Romney as far as I am concerned, I could not have said this better myself. Rob
Ah, the gentle clucking....
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bangshoe.jpg
loosechickens
10-24-12, 11:59pm
since I didn't post that picture, bae, I would appreciate it if you would remove "originally posted by loosechickens" from it. Thank you.
I kind of figure people understand parody, but if you insist....
loosechickens
10-25-12, 12:24am
thank you. that is good enough......I've missed sparring with you, bae....... ;-)
sorry we have been so busy these past few months. If I'm lucky, I nose around in these forums once or twice a month....just happened to have an evening off tonight, home alone, and indulged a bit in the internet, so found my fingers creeping toward the Simple Living boards.....I miss you guys.........
It's true that government does not create jobs, but it can create an environment that is conducive to creating jobs.
That's why I thought the auto industry bailout was a good idea.
Swam up, sniffed the worm, swam away. Bugs are better anyway.
Coward!
What it is telling of is that Romney supporters may not feel a need to spar and I think that is the real intent of this thread.
No, the intent of the thread was not to spar. The intent was to get the facts of Romney's achievements.
It is so sad that so many would make this man the most powerful person in the world, giving him the most difficult, and important job in the free world, and not one will step up and support him. Do you all think this is a game? Just something to make jokes about?
The only reason anyone else is posting here is because NO ROMNEY SUPPORTER WILL STEP UP!
So, actually talking about his 'positions' (for today that is) might change some people's minds about voting for him? Well...yes. Isn't that what a campaign is all about?
Is the man truly going to win the White House simply because he SAYS he is a republican (well that was a few weeks ago. Now he says he is 'republican light' and last debate he all but sat on Obama's lap nodding his head like a bobble doll)
VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY----HIS NAME STARTS WITH AN R AND HE'S NOT BLACK!:(
goldensmom
10-25-12, 8:45am
Coward!
Thanks for proving my point. Good-bye.
Coward!
That just elevates your effort from "fail" to "epic fail". I'm going to have to invent a new category for the forthcoming, and inevitable, dis of my momma.
No, the intent of the thread was not to spar.
Got it. ;)
Pointless. You'll be using this thread to bait and snark. No, thanks.
+1
ApatheticNoMore
10-25-12, 11:55am
It is so sad that so many would make this man the most powerful person in the world, giving him the most difficult, and important job in the free world, and not one will step up and support him.
Even if one voted for a candidate out of nothing other than lesser evilism, that isn't per se wrong, IOW it's not wrong in principle (and honestly it's the main basis I could see one voting for either of these guys! they aren't wonderful people). Personally I'm just tired of the degree of the evil though.
VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY----HIS NAME STARTS WITH AN R AND HE'S NOT BLACK!:(
Please explain the above comment. It appears to me (a proud 40 year member of the Democratic Party) that you are trying to imply that if Romney supporters choose (for whatever reason) to decline your request that they list their nominee's achievements that they must be racist (or else in love with the letter R). This comes as quite a shock to me since I know (and disagree with) a fairly substantial number of people (many of whom I deeply love and respect) who are supporting Romney. I may disagree with their conclusions but I have never seen any of them display racism.
Been trying mightily to come up with some other interpretation of the above quote but have been unable to do so.
I am so tired of people (on both sides of the political divide) imputing divisive and sometimes heinous motives to others just because they have different opinions and beliefs.
Wow..just, wow! Three whole pages and not a single positive word for Romney.
Well, I tried. I really did. I started this thread, and the Obama one, in good faith. I even posted in the other thread, and invited you all to 'go at it'.
but, all I get in this thread is snark and nastiness, not a single solitary word of support for your candidate, just immediate attack on me. Immediate, without provocation.
I guess it's safe to assume the man HAS nothing to recommend him.
For 4 years you all have dug and complained and vilified and lied and discussed in excruciating detail Obama's religion, birth, buddies, policy, race, and achievements, and I have never ducked defending his Presidency. I have said what i liked, and honestly said what I didn't like. I know who and what I'm voting for, and I will tell you what that is (go read the Obama thread)
This isn't a choice between the 'lesser of two evils' (and really, this assertion, which has been used forever and isn't really original, doesn't really make someone sound 'politically savvy') There is a gulf between these two men and their platforms and convictions. It's measurable, or at least it's measurable today, as Romney will change his convictions tomorrow, but Obama has been pretty consistent on his convictions.
So, go ahead. Be as nasty as you want. It only says volumes about you and your candidate.
Go ahead Alan, Gregg, pick some sentence from this and reply with some snarky one liner comment.
.......Go ahead Alan, Gregg, pick some sentence from this and reply with some snarky one liner comment.
No thanks!
(Oh Hell, I did it anyway. :|()
Please explain the above comment. It appears to me (a proud 40 year member of the Democratic Party) that you are trying to imply that if Romney supporters choose (for whatever reason) to decline your request that they list their nominee's achievements that they must be racist (or else in love with the letter R). This comes as quite a shock to me since I know (and disagree with) a fairly substantial number of people (many of whom I deeply love and respect) who are supporting Romney. I may disagree with their conclusions but I have never seen any of them display racism.
Been trying mightily to come up with some other interpretation of the above quote but have been unable to do so.
I am so tired of people (on both sides of the political divide) imputing divisive and sometimes heinous motives to others just because they have different opinions and beliefs.
Well Weston, I certainly don't believe every republican is a raciest. But I do think it's a pretty safe bet that every raciest is a republican.
With the 'dog whistles' from Sarah Palin "Obama shucking and jiving" and birtherism, and disrespect for the man "You lie", tea party signs of him with a bone in his nose, and calls for him to 'go back to Kenya' and just about any day on Fox/Limbaugh, coupled with his so called supporters refusing to actually support him and his ideas, I can only come to this conclusion.
Well Weston, I certainly don't believe every republican is a raciest. But I do think it's a pretty safe bet that every raciest is a republican.
I'm a republican and I used to be a racer, one of the raciest racers around. Now I'm reformed and drive a hybrid.
Please explain the above comment. It appears to me (a proud 40 year member of the Democratic Party) that you are trying to imply that if Romney supporters choose (for whatever reason) to decline your request that they list their nominee's achievements that they must be racist (or else in love with the letter R). This comes as quite a shock to me since I know (and disagree with) a fairly substantial number of people (many of whom I deeply love and respect) who are supporting Romney. I may disagree with their conclusions but I have never seen any of them display racism.
I think most people's experience mirrors yours Weston. The civility you display in your post is the only hope for progress. The continual pounding of fists on tables is juvenile and will never lead to positive outcomes and most of us know that. We also realize there are good points to be found on both sides of the aisle so our representatives better start finding a way to work together. One way or the other there will be messages sent in November. I hope the people on the receiving end are listening.
ApatheticNoMore
10-25-12, 1:45pm
This isn't a choice between the 'lesser of two evils' (and really, this assertion, which has been used forever and isn't really original, doesn't really make someone sound 'politically savvy')
woah I thought I was so savvy, and I was going to trademark the term "lesser of two evils" because I thought it was original and I saw riches in my future from it!, woah I might not be the cats pajamas afterall. How bizarre, I wasn't trying to be savy, it's just I sympathize a great deal with lesser evilist, as we might share a lot of world view about what is going on in the world depending. Frankly I think our choices are becoming WORSE, though maybe they were always bad, if voting could change anything they'd make it illegal. But the rightward AND totalitarian drift in the U.S. political system is unmistakable.
There is a gulf between these two men and their platforms and convictions. It's measurable, or at least it's measurable today, as Romney will change his convictions tomorrow, but Obama has been pretty consistent on his convictions.
There may be some differences. Romney says slash and burn the environment, under Obama Keystone XL is still progressing quitely on a state level. It's stuff like that.
iris lily
10-25-12, 2:18pm
...I am so tired of people (on both sides of the political divide) imputing divisive and sometimes heinous motives to others just because they have different opinions and beliefs.
I live in the land of racial divisiveness where everything is about race. Everything.
So having learned to sit on my hands during these fruitless encounters, I wasn't going to respond to peggy's assertion that black is bad, but since you did: I will say with absolute certainly that if President Obama loses this race it will be "because he is black" in the minds of many, many supporters. As though he changed color somewhere between 2008 and 2012. The peggys of the world will see to it that the losing narrative centers on blackness.
iris lily
10-25-12, 2:22pm
...calls for him to 'go back to Kenya'...
Did you hear that the Prez admitted to growing up in Kenya on the Leno show? He said that the animosity shown to him by Donald Trump stems from them growing up together in Kenya. There was some unpleasantness on the soccer field, apparently.
Ha ha,it's a funny line even if it WAS supplied to him by the Tonight Show writers. I laughed about it several times.
Well, he implemented Romneycare, which became a model for national health care policy.
Seriously, I don't see much constructive discussion trying to list line items in light of how it is heading, but for his respective role in business and politics he has probably done as much as Obama in his respective roles. They are just different. Frontline had an excellent feature on the successes and failures of the two. It is worth watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgqGFIigzEU
Romney is portrayed as a problem solver who is able to break down issues into their important components and pull the right people together to get things done. Obama as more of an idealist with very worthy goals that are difficult to achieve politically.
Well Weston, I certainly don't believe every republican is a raciest. But I do think it's a pretty safe bet that every raciest is a republican.
Does this count as racism? http://www.ebony.com/black-listed/entertainment-culture/samuel-l-jackson-says-i-voted-for-barack-obama-because-he-was-black
There are people on both sides of the aisle playing the race card (including you) and its ridiculous. Obama's had 4 years in office and I'm unhappy with the job he has done. Therefore, I'm voting for Romney. Other's may have a different viewpoint and may be voting for Obama because they agree with the job he's done or disagree with Romney. I would say most voters (Republican and Democrat) are voting for a candidate based on qualifications. Please stop with the race baiting.
When Obama came to office, I genuinely hoped race relations would improve. If anything, they've gotten worse and the left is every bit as guilty as the right for this if not more.
ApatheticNoMore
10-25-12, 8:31pm
When Obama came to office, I genuinely hoped race relations would improve. If anything, they've gotten worse and the left is every bit as guilty as the right for this if not more.
I've heard this but never yet been presented with any data, something like racial hate crimes per capita increasing that would be data of a very hard sort. There may be softer sorts, but I've not yet seen any data of any sort.
There is racism out there - but I think a lot of it directed toward Obama is just because it's a convenient, nasty stick to use. One of the more outspoken people on the right have descended to calling him "a retard" - although that may have been more for their ratings and self promotion than anything else.
Birchwood
10-25-12, 9:51pm
I'm independent, WASP(WhiteAngoSaxon Protestant), and I wonder, if Obama is WASP and his name is John Robert White, and he did what he did:
1. Got rid of Osama
2. Rescue the autoindustry
3. Started the Affordable Care Act
would white America treat him differently?. I say YES. In private conversations I still have a bunch of my fellow WASP who would not give him any credit because of his color. Oh they would not say it outright but, you can hear the subtle snippets. Bigots still exist around us.
I think many people simply can't understand why anyone would not support things that they think important and mistake it for racism since they see the world through the lens of identity politics. Of course, in doing so they do a dis-service to real racism by trivializing it so.
Apathetic:
I don't have hard evidence, only personal observations. But when people on both sides are making comments like this
VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY----HIS NAME STARTS WITH AN R AND HE'S NOT BLACK!:(
Chris Matthews http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/10/23/msnbc-host-conservatives-driven-by-racism-hatred-of-obama/ and Angela Rye http://washingtonexaminer.com/cbc-staff-opposition-to-obama-is-racist/article/1342346, are 2 more examples. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist towards Obama, but the obsession with it by both sides clouds the issues and divides our country.
Midwest
I'm independent, WASP(WhiteAngoSaxon Protestant), and I wonder, if Obama is WASP and his name is John Robert White, and he did what he did:
1. Got rid of Osama
2. Rescue the autoindustry
3. Started the Affordable Care Act
would white America treat him differently?. I say YES. In private conversations I still have a bunch of my fellow WASP who would not give him any credit because of his color. Oh they would not say it outright but, you can hear the subtle snippets. Bigots still exist around us.
1. I give credit for making a decision to allow our military to do their job and get Osama
2. Obama took the auto industry though a managed bankrupcty, shafted the bondholders and gave the union a sweetheart deal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/25/AR2009052502135.html
3. A substantial part of the populace didn't want the affordable care act.
I agree bigots still exist, but that's not the central reason the election is so close. Reported unemployment is near 8%. That's why we have a close election.
Birchwood
10-26-12, 3:07pm
1. I give credit for making a decision to allow our military to do their job and get Osama
2. Obama took the auto industry though a managed bankrupcty, shafted the bondholders and gave the union a sweetheart deal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/25/AR2009052502135.html
3. A substantial part of the populace didn't want the affordable care act.
I agree bigots still exist, but that's not the central reason the election is so close. Reported unemployment is near 8%. That's why we have a close election.
In in the debate, Romney said he will repeal the ACA, and when asked what he will do to replace it with, he said he will keep Coverage for Pre existing illness which is a major part of ACA. Then he said nothing tangible. Of course a substantial part of thepopulation did not want the ACA, but can you think of something better? At least it is a good start. 9 past presidents tried and did not act on it.
8% unemployment - I can't seem to blame everything on a 4yrs stint of a sitting president while jobs has been moving out of America for years and globalization has been going on as well. US industries is such a complicated subject.
Auto industry- Well at least it's still around. Again no perfect answer here.
US is in a mess, I don't think any president can solve it in a 4 or 8 year term.
Anyone else watch Charlie Rose (last night)? Guest (Nancy Pelosi). If you can catch the repeat, do so.
I cannot believe Romney, has so many suckered in.
Obama, lost a HUGE following of support when he failed, accidentally... (purposely), to include/incorporate safe-guards/sureties into the bailout package. What a party that was for the rich on Wall Street, huh! Free money is always good!
Only problem is, Obama, failed to take into consideration the balance indifference when it came to those entitled to do all the spending with their new-found free money, as compared to those (the hardworking) who are on the hook to pay it all back!
Whoops! Looks like the "mathematics" failed to add up on that one! LOL!
To add, from your Canadian neighbours standpoint, so far nearly everyone I've spoken to regarding this very thing says, "we'd rather see neither as President". I tend to agree...
The Storyteller
10-26-12, 6:24pm
You know, I haven't followed this thread, but given the subject heading, I was surprised to find it was 5 pages long. Seems to me it wouldn't take more than a page.
[Baddaboom-tish]
The Storyteller
10-26-12, 6:25pm
"we'd rather see neither as President".
Proof positive negative advertising works.
Life_is_Simple
10-29-12, 12:15pm
Well, he implemented Romneycare, which became a model for national health care policy.
That is an example of, when he really wants to, Romney can work with people.
When he was first governor of Massachusetts and gave speeches to the people, he usually made sense.
When he was in Massachusetts, he wasn't involved in any scandals.
That's all i can come up with :)
(Note: I am not a supporter, just trying to come up with objective facts)
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