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By my accounting from a next door neighbor state, Wyo. is is not just conservative but hard core conservative. I could picture Pence/Cheney bringing cross-overs from the dems who are fed up with Biden. He's not the most popular president. There are days when I dream that eventually the Republicans will face the reality of the big lie or Trump will face a felony, and then where will they be, or who.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Garbage Pail Kids cards--I loved those!
Yes, President Biden has done a great job choosing diverse cabinet members, and that's very, VERY important to me.
I'd vote for Cheney. She, at least, has morals and integrity. The rest of the "republicans" are puppets of trump. Hard to respect those types of people and those who vote for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
The thing that trump and all his supporters don't seem to understand is that bombast and shouts of "defund the FBI" do nothing to help trump when he, and the people who assisted him with his criming, actually have to show up in a damn court room. Just as he failed completely in his efforts to overturn the election by lawsuit, so too will he fail to defend himself using the same methods. He's an old **** that can try and run out the clock until he dies and goes to hell. Some of the other people around him have a lot more life left and a lot more to lose and will turn on him in an effort to save themselves.
Has politics replaced religion in people's lives? If so, are some of us just defining others as modern heretics as a blatant show of our faith?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Serious question! I think there's something to this. How Social Justice Became a New Religion - The Atlantic
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Originally Posted by Alan
I’d say you are defining yourself. There is a difference between decency and religion. There should be a division between church and state!! Voting for Cheney is not a basis of religion but because she exemplifies what a republican should be. The current are “maga republicans” … sheep and puppets of trump…a traitor and Hitler wannabe. Hopefully, he will be prosecuted for his list of deceptive schenanigans..
Think the above article is crazy. The right are the ones playing the religious card….all the way to the supreme court.
Haven't we had a Catholic Supreme Court for a while now? I hope inquisitions don't make a comeback...
Yes, I do think the "religious" have found other outlets for establishing moral codes, particularly when they can be part of the tribunal of determining what's "good" and what's "evil" and then broadcast those views and find support on social media, which defers direct confrontation. On the one hand, I hate seeing woke "social justice" lumped in with the social justice of Martin Luther King Jr, Dorothy Day, Oscar Romero, and many other church-based social activitists. The vitriol and self-absorption of many of the strident liberals and conservatives defies any level of the true efficacy and personal sacrifice of the non-violent protests we are used to from people like King and Mandela.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
OTOH, the churches have often failed to pay the "cost of discipleship" as Bonhoeffer called it. Martin Luther King said "Most churches are social clubs with a thin veneer of religiosity." They have served as exclusionary enclaves for people who think alike, and often look alike. Those churches actually foment just as much division as the most woke crowd.
I'm not sure if the terrible political spectacles we're seeing are an effect of church fall-out, or social media, or general tribal fear played out in tweets and memes.
I believe the Know Nothing Party had a platform plank addressing your concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I think there is something to this as well. People trying to fill spiritual holes with politics. Look at the way the pro and anti Trump cults nurturing one another in a symbiosis of reciprocal hate. All the cell phone puritans hunting heretics in the name of “decency”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
As traditional religion ebbs, they paint dark visions of an imaginary theocracy. None is so blind…
cell phone puritans.. verbal garbage? Are you trying to communicate Luddites or ????
Nooone cares if abortion is banned because of increasing or decreasing faith, we just don't want it banned. Don't know how it can be any clearer.
Really. I couldn't care less about anyone else's faith until it starts impinging on my life, which it inevitably does when its intermingled with government at any level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
ok.. So who now is going to justify trump having classified documents in his possession? I saw noted that a guy who had ONE classified document was given 9 years in prison. Hopefully, trump will get that for EACH document he tried to take although I doubt it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-AA118iEf
A President, or former President for that matter, holds a unique spot among all citizens regarding classified information. I would think any prosecution would involve a lot of legal firepower interpreting charges for someone holding that title. It's not quite as cut and dry as it was for lets say Hillary Clinton who stored classified documents on her home server and used insecure personal email to conduct sensitive business, or perhaps Sandy Berger (National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton) who actually stole classified documents from the National Archive. One of those suffered no consequences and the other was put on probation for two years and lost his security clearance for three years. What makes you think Trump should be treated more harshly if any sort of criminal charges should even be pressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Reality Winner served four.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
As I recall. Hillary Clinton inadvertently had three or four e-mails at the lowest possible classification stored on her server, which were clearly more secure than any document under Trump's purview. She was exonerated. Everyone in Trump's White House used unsecured phones--most especially Trump himself. And.it turns out, he stowed hundreds of sensitive documents here and there at Mar-a-Lago, keeping them for God knows what purpose. They should have all been turned over to the National Archives before the end of his term--as were all his predecessors' documents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
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Originally Posted by Alan
See #497.
rump himself, turns out, stowed hundreds of sensitive documents here and there at Mar-a-Lago, keeping them for God knows what purpose. They should have all been turned over to the National Archives before the end of his term--as were all his predecessors' documents.
former president or not... he had no business taking sensitive documents... not a "unique spot" in any situation. He no longer holds the prestigious position of president but of an ordinary citizen. He has put many people in danger because of his ? stupidity/duplicity/selfishness... take your pick. He should not be above the law and, hopefully, will be prosecuted for this!!
I saw it. As far as we know there may have been 30,000 or so documents, but they disappeared before anyone had a chance to look. They're all probably on a non-disclosed backup sitting on a public cloud server somewhere. No big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
When hubby Bill took thousands of digital copies of documents home with him and the National Archives asked for them back he just said "No, those are personal documents, you don't need em". Again, no big deal.
This time it's a big deal. I wonder what's changed?
Where did you get this info? And, if true, stated above listed as personal. trump took classified documents? What's changed is personal and classified documents are not the same. Personal doesn't pose a national security threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I am impressed with how well GOP supporters and fellow travelers manage to keep a straight face while they engage in such transparent sophistry.
I'm pretty sure this doesn't end well for any of us. Fnord.
Presidential records found right in Clinton’s drawer - Washington Times (newsmemory.com)Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
So, again personal records do not pose a national security threat. trump taking classified records does.
I agree bae…fnord.
Alan lives to defend the indefensible behavior of republicans. I’ve pointed out before that there is literally nothing a Republican could do that would get him to agree that there was wrongdoing. I expect that to be true of trump even if a jury(ies) convicts him of any/all of the dozens of crimes that he’s currently under investigation for.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I have just read the affadavit and suggest anyone concerned with these developments read it, as well. There is quite a bit of information in there, regardless of redactions.
Just saw a DeSantis campaign ad... "Text Fighter Against Media" ... says dogfighters taking aim #1. Don't fire unless fired upon but when fired upon, fire back with overwhelming force. Shows a kid saying "Turn & Burn". He is telling Americans to get ready for battle. Saying to target Fauci too.. "Chuck the Elf". Talk about a request for VIOLENCE!
Talk is this is a guy that is possibly the next republican candidate for president. WTH He is in effect calling for a civil war! He sounds like another Hitler/Nazi wannabe trying to enrage his followers to violence. THIS IS FRIGHTENING! Because as we witnessed on Jan 6th, many republicans take the call to arms seriously.
Dogfight definition = a ferocious struggle for supremacy between interested parties.
LOL, this entire thread has been predicated on sophistry among fellow travelers which has made it the most engaging thread of the year. It should at least be entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
It is not entertaining …. but frightening! You have your head in the sand. Perhaps you should take Tybee’s advice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I think that's where the Fnord comes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Alan.. See rest of post #508.
Desantis is, in Trump's mold, another vindictive pugnacious ass, ready to take on the world, but not his state's problems. He's not afraid to challenge and humiliate mask-wearing kids in public--what a manly man he is. He symbolizes what the Republican party has become, unfortunately.
Remember, this is the "law and order" party. What a joke!Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
With Trump’s future in question, it’s important to have another supervillain in the pipeline. Forward thinkers like Gavin Newsom have already begun investing in negative ads.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Hey--it's not like the left is promoting clowns like Desantis. That's on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
And yet who brought him up here?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Someone who was using him as an example of the type of bully-boy Republicans who have taken over their party?
Reason not to vote republican!Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Right. Someone promoting him as the next hate figure. Sort of how the media, perhaps overestimating their power to destroy, helped keep Trump in the spotlight. Sort of how the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee supports Trump-endorsed primary candidatesQuote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
With such enemies, friends become superfluous.
Using Desantis own words in his ad... he is promoting himself as the new "republican". There it is.
He is probably running for President, thus he should be watched for the potential threat he is.