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    cell phone puritans.. verbal garbage? Are you trying to communicate Luddites or ????

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    Nooone cares if abortion is banned because of increasing or decreasing faith, we just don't want it banned. Don't know how it can be any clearer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    Nooone cares if abortion is banned because of increasing or decreasing faith, we just don't want it banned. Don't know how it can be any clearer.
    Really. I couldn't care less about anyone else's faith until it starts impinging on my life, which it inevitably does when its intermingled with government at any level.

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    ok.. So who now is going to justify trump having classified documents in his possession? I saw noted that a guy who had ONE classified document was given 9 years in prison. Hopefully, trump will get that for EACH document he tried to take although I doubt it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-AA118iEf

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    ok.. So who now is going to justify trump having classified documents in his possession? I saw noted that a guy who had ONE classified document was given 9 years in prison. Hopefully, trump will get that for EACH document he tried to take although I doubt it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-AA118iEf
    A President, or former President for that matter, holds a unique spot among all citizens regarding classified information. I would think any prosecution would involve a lot of legal firepower interpreting charges for someone holding that title. It's not quite as cut and dry as it was for lets say Hillary Clinton who stored classified documents on her home server and used insecure personal email to conduct sensitive business, or perhaps Sandy Berger (National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton) who actually stole classified documents from the National Archive. One of those suffered no consequences and the other was put on probation for two years and lost his security clearance for three years. What makes you think Trump should be treated more harshly if any sort of criminal charges should even be pressed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    ok.. So who now is going to justify trump having classified documents in his possession? I saw noted that a guy who had ONE classified document was given 9 years in prison. Hopefully, trump will get that for EACH document he tried to take although I doubt it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-AA118iEf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    A President, or former President for that matter, holds a unique spot among all citizens regarding classified information. I would think any prosecution would involve a lot of legal firepower interpreting charges for someone holding that title. It's not quite as cut and dry as it was for lets say Hillary Clinton who stored classified documents on her home server and used insecure personal email to conduct sensitive business, or perhaps Sandy Berger (National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton) who actually stole classified documents from the National Archive. One of those suffered no consequences and the other was put on probation for two years and lost his security clearance for three years. What makes you think Trump should be treated more harshly if any sort of criminal charges should even be pressed?
    As I recall. Hillary Clinton inadvertently had three or four e-mails at the lowest possible classification stored on her server, which were clearly more secure than any document under Trump's purview. She was exonerated. Everyone in Trump's White House used unsecured phones--most especially Trump himself. And.it turns out, he stowed hundreds of sensitive documents here and there at Mar-a-Lago, keeping them for God knows what purpose. They should have all been turned over to the National Archives before the end of his term--as were all his predecessors' documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    A President, or former President for that matter, holds a unique spot among all citizens regarding classified information. I would think any prosecution would involve a lot of legal firepower interpreting charges for someone holding that title. It's not quite as cut and dry as it was for lets say Hillary Clinton who stored classified documents on her home server and used insecure personal email to conduct sensitive business, or perhaps Sandy Berger (National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton) who actually stole classified documents from the National Archive. One of those suffered no consequences and the other was put on probation for two years and lost his security clearance for three years. What makes you think Trump should be treated more harshly if any sort of criminal charges should even be pressed?
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    See #497.

    rump himself, turns out, stowed hundreds of sensitive documents here and there at Mar-a-Lago, keeping them for God knows what purpose. They should have all been turned over to the National Archives before the end of his term--as were all his predecessors' documents.

    former president or not... he had no business taking sensitive documents... not a "unique spot" in any situation. He no longer holds the prestigious position of president but of an ordinary citizen. He has put many people in danger because of his ? stupidity/duplicity/selfishness... take your pick. He should not be above the law and, hopefully, will be prosecuted for this!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    See #497.
    I saw it. As far as we know there may have been 30,000 or so documents, but they disappeared before anyone had a chance to look. They're all probably on a non-disclosed backup sitting on a public cloud server somewhere. No big deal.

    When hubby Bill took thousands of digital copies of documents home with him and the National Archives asked for them back he just said "No, those are personal documents, you don't need em". Again, no big deal.

    This time it's a big deal. I wonder what's changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I saw it. As far as we know there may have been 30,000 or so documents, but they disappeared before anyone had a chance to look. They're all probably on a non-disclosed backup sitting on a public cloud server somewhere. No big deal.

    When hubby Bill took thousands of digital copies of documents home with him and the National Archives asked for them back he just said "No, those are personal documents, you don't need em". Again, no big deal.

    This time it's a big deal. I wonder what's changed?
    Where did you get this info? And, if true, stated above listed as personal. trump took classified documents? What's changed is personal and classified documents are not the same. Personal doesn't pose a national security threat.

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