We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
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We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
and Kennedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
One of the great Republicans of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I feel very confident in saying that whoever ultimately prevails in the GOP primary process, people will try to fit him or her with a Trump toupee and a Hitler mustache. The alternative of running on the Democrats’ performance in office being too frightening to contemplate.
Of course, likely suspects have already been identified and negative PR campaigns begun.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I have confidence that who ever the final presidential candidates are, they will be demonized by the other party.
as if that was necessary, as if there was anyone decent left for R's to run. Yea it's going to be garbage. That's foregone, how bad, yea maybe some debate there.Quote:
Of course, likely suspects have already been identified and negative PR campaigns begun.
Put forth a moderate republican such as Kasich or Cheney and there may be hope. The Desantis and his ilk are Hitler-like. What's scary is you can't see that! They run on the premise of violence. Go back and really listen to Desantis' campaign ad. I know you won't because you really don't care what he stands for. Sadly, JaneV2 is right. We've drifted a long way from Eisenhower.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Or in Desantis' case, he demonized himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Maybe Steele can put together another dossier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
As the saying goes, "Where there is smoke, there is fire".
I may agree with Rep Cheney on one or two issues (Trump, gay marriage) but otherwise, we're diametrically opposed in every way. It says volumes, though, that she one of the few Republicans with a spine and some character, and her idea of a winning strategy doesn't consist of hurling vulgar and/or violent jibes at her opponents. I respect her greatly for that.
She'll probably get a profiles in courage award and people will fawn over her until her warmonger father dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
He does seem to taint everything he touches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
During the 1960 presidential campaign, when Republicans tried to make the term liberal anathema, Kennedy embraced it. A liberal, he said in one speech, “cares about the welfare of the people—their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties,” and under that definition, he said, “I’m proud to say I’m a ‘liberal.’”...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
And republicans will pretend that desantis is a perfectly normal and reasonable candidate. Just like republicans in Wisconsin are trying to do with that shitstain ron Johnson. Supposedly ‘decent’ republicans there have no problem continuing to vote for a dude that participated in the attempt to overthrow the government. But like the way republicans redefine words it seems that they have also redefined ‘decent’ to mean ‘anyone who will vote me a ****ing tax break ‘Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I think that was the tail end of the era when progressivism was popularly considered anti-liberal. I happen to think it still is, it's a shame progressives were able to hijack the term. The modern Democratic Party is the antithesis of classical liberalism so I think his use of the term doesn't necessarily mean what you imply.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I believe, if he had survived, JFK would be a libertarian or republican these days
And trump would have been laughed off the stage. Yet, here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
[QUOTE=Alan;413264]I think that was the tail end of the era when progressivism was popularly considered anti-liberal. I happen to think it still is, it's a shame progressives were able to hijack the term. The modern Democratic Party is the antithesis of classical liberalism so I think his use of the term doesn't necessarily mean what you imply.
I believe, if he had survived, JFK would be a libertarian or republican these days[/QUOTE]
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Not for a minute… today’s “republicans” do not hold the same values of old. Now they are a party of “divide and conquer”. The goal is to divide the country, make it difficult to vote and take over the government…. Jan 6th debacle, tried to get military to seize ballot boxes …and current gerrymandering. IMO the republican party is now in name only. In reality it is promoting neo-natzism.
Neo-Nazis employ their ideology to promote hatred and white supremacy, attack racial and ethnic minorities (which include antisemitism and Islamophobia), and in some cases to create a fascist state.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy……. The current “republicans” touting they won sometimes even before votes are counted and those who refuse to admit defeat (trump) are examples of those desiring dictator status.
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting. Wikipedia
Look at the definitions…. this is what the current “republicans” are promoting. JFK would never be what is now considered a “republican”.
Here is a good quick take from Reuters on the affidavit:
https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/sta...60658422317059
While he was in office, Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time. I’m sure that if she managed to become president you would discover she was in fact a deadly threat to our way of life and resistance was a moral imperative.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead.
You've got to be kidding. If JFK had wanted to be an entitled jerk, he would have stayed out of politics and lived off the family money. Service--working for the welfare of his nation's people--was of utmost importance to him. Today's Republicans, particularly, would have turned his stomach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
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Originally Posted by LDAHL
She definitely is not with trump now. I would consider her. She, at least, stands by her convictions. She is not a sheep... like those that call themselves "republicans" now.
Oh I don’t know. Using the Secret Service as pimps strikes me as a bit entitled. As does appointing his brother Attorney General. Wiretapping MLK and weaponizing the IRS also comes to mind. Maybe not privilege at the Chappaquidic level, but up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I think he died at an advantageous time to secure his myth. Otherwise, a lot of Vietnam dirt would have stuck to him.
Two things can be true at the same time, Cheney can generally suck, in fact suck in 1000 ways, and her losing solely because of her position on Trump (she didn't lose for other reasons, she just didn't) can be a very bad sign and disappointing in that sense. Both can be true.Quote:
While he was in office, Cheney voted with Trump 93% of the time. I’m sure that if she managed to become president you would discover she was in fact a deadly threat to our way of life and resistance was a moral imperative.
Sadly, there are very few real "republicans" left.... only sheep.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
"I’m always amused to hear progressives find nice things to say about Republicans once they’re safely dead."
That might be because the old school dead ones were often decent humans and politicians, unlike most of today's crop.
Adam Kinzinger’s comments about the republican party are spot on. They are a bunch of hypocrites! We should be chanting “lock him up”. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that trump took classified documents! Why is he not in jail?
So who was/is the worse human being? JFK or Jimmy Carter?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Lindsay Graham is calling trump supporters to riot! Law & order party, what a joke!
https://www.businessinsider.com/lind...e-riots-2022-8
Oh they had plenty to say about Reagan back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
JFK was the worse human being. Carter was merely a sanctimonious failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I just quoted JFK's assertion that he was a liberal. and why. That was the point of my post.
For all his numerous flaws at least he never called for mob violence if the rule of law was upheld. That would have been unthinkable back then. Today it's SOP for republican politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
A progressive said a nice thing about a Republican once, they thought highly of Abraham Lincoln. However apparently he is dead. I thought he was getting up there in years, but didn't know he had passed on.
I think people are confusing wanting the Republican party to be less bad, which is perfectly sensible as it is in power from time to time (and sure Cheney is less bad, the bar is low), with actually having much good to say about it.
Curious to know if the much berated George Bush has been elevated to one of the Good Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Why not to vote Republican if you live in New York is the governor will tell you you're not wanted in the state and try to chase you down to Florida.
Give them time.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Actually, you may be right. George Bush 43 seems to be climbing in the rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Eisenhower, Truman, Obama, Reagan and Kennedy are all the top 10 in terms of modern-day presidents (defined as those whose presidency I was alive for.) If you go back further, FDR could be considered another modern-day president. So that makes 2 Republicans vs 4 Democrats. Not that anyone's counting. :)
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv.../?page=overall
Isn't it all just a confession that Republicans are running worse and worse candidates (definitely Trump but in general). So that the bar gets lower and lower.
But again one doesn't have to ever vote Republican to want the Republican party to be less bad, because if they inevitably have power at some point (and one might desire a multi party system where power wasn't just trading hands between two parties, but that's not the case), then it is just plain sensible to want one's rulers to be as least bad as possible.