This country would be a much better place if more people were like Carter. He’s a superior person!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
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This country would be a much better place if more people were like Carter. He’s a superior person!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
But perhaps not Presidential material.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Isn't this sad? It used to be you could vote for candidates of different parties and decide who you thought was the best candidate. Not so now. There no longer is a "republican" party or only one in name only. So sad.
Apparently even alaska doesn’t want shitbag republicans to represent them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/u...smid=url-share
Given the drubbing they took in Kansas recently they should be freaking out.
That’s nice, but who ya’ll putting up for President? It’s two years away. Please not another Biden Trump face off. Give me somebody I can vote for, Jp.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Yeah. Between Trump’s rantings and Biden’s ridiculous “soul of the nation” pontificating, nobody seems to be interested in the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
You know this whole scandal could have been avoided had the old gasbag just acted like a sane, responsible adult for once in his life, conceded the election, turned the documents over to the archives, and slunk away to review his grievances in private. We.re all sick of him.
Vote or don't vote. I'll be voting for President Biden, who is doing all I could expect of him and more. He's not Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but he's getting the job done under trying circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Same here unless there is a viable option.... none so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Well the circumstances are trying because his party overreacted to covid, wrecking the economy, putting kids years behind in their education, and driving mental health and addiction epidemics. He also didn't have to fund the Ukrainian war. It negates his getting out of Afghanistan. So glad it looks like my kid will never have children because it's a debt-ridden messed up world they would inherit, not to mention climate change, the one thing I don't hold him responsible for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Apparently there’s now some whispering from mainstream media outliers that Trump rushed Covid vaccine to market, and…Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
… That will explain the health problems we have seen and are seeing. Damn that Trump!
Wasn't "rushed to market" always an accusation from the anti-vaxxers? Trump also flogged Ivermectin and internal use of light and bleach therapy. :0! I'll never forget the video of Dr. Birx trying to disappear into her scarf during that press conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
His pitting of states against each other to get scarce medical supplies was fascinating. I loved the Maryland Governor and his wife's clandestine mask import caper. Fun times.
I've never heard the initial vaccines were rushed to market, they had them a month or so after the pandemic started, and yes vast numbers of people could have been saved if they actually "rushed them to market" then. But they went through all the trials etc..
And even getting them to market when we did, I think it's very hard to argue we should have just kept letting people die at the unvaccinated rate, in search of the perfect vaccine that will have an absolute zero rate of very rare complications. How does that make sense? J&J wasn't the best maybe. I think mRNA might not end up being the best we can do either, but no way vaccines should have been delayed even further with hospitalizations and deaths piling up.
Hell, trump said covid was "fake news". Then as noted above, his reaction was to drink bleach and other such nonsense. If he would have been on the ball, many less would have died.
First, he tried to keep our numbers low by refusing to allow people off cruise ships, as I recall. Remember "We just have 15 cases, and in a week or two, we'll be down to close to zero." He also famously said "If we stop testing, we'll have fewer cases." >:( That was Desantis' approach too, as I recall.
Trump wanted to rush the vaccine. He was very angry that it wasn’t out before the election. But the fda followed their standard procedures and cleared it once all the necessary studying of it was complete regardless of what that windbag wanted.
The FDA actually didn't follow standard procedures, otherwise the vaccines would still be awaiting approval. It normally takes years to get FDA approvals on new products.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Emergency use declarations are not political. Very smart and experienced physicians give info which is scrutinized by the FDA. They weigh the evidence to decide the risksQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
And benefits. Mrna technology was developed in the 60's and 70's. Often technologies remain stagnant until an application comes along that will benefit a lot of people.
My husband is in a clinical trial in a major cancer center. His MD was presenting to the FDA last week. The trial has been so successful they are anticipating it will fast track to level two. He is in level one. Formerly his diagnosis would have been a death sentence. Every single person who completed the trial is alive and has no evidence of cancer.
Also the Mrna technology was in trialsfor cancer patients. For some diagnoses it has shown great promise.
This is not about politics. It is about trusting hard working dedicated scientists and physicians whose sole mission is to save lives. I spend days in waiting rooms and see the hope, pain and resilience of human spirit. Keyboard warriors can post whatever they want, but I 100% trust my husbands physicians. Their intelligence, experience and dedication is remarkable.
If vaccines had not been fast tracked imagine how many more people would have died. It is not about Trump or Biden, it was about putting money into technology that showed millions of lives would be saved.
I didn't say they were, I think you're confusing me for JP1. I was just pointing out that one of his statements was incorrect, fast tracking is not and never has been standard FDA approval process, but that doesn't mean I don't approve of it when warranted.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
As an aside, I also understand that some people may be concerned that fast tracking may result in a sub-standard product with unknown results and they may be reluctant to rush out to inject it in their, or their children's, bodies. That doesn't make them the evil science denying dangers to society as they are often presented.
Isn't DeSantis great? People are moving to Florida in droves. It hurt one medical autonomy group in eastern Mass because one of their main leaders moved her family there. Same covid outcomes, no learning loss. Win win!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Just because they worked faster doesn’t mean they ignored their procedures. Can you point to something that says they did?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
The last phase of the approval process involve prolonged studies to show that the benefits of a vaccine are greater than it's risk, along with a prolonged review of the manufacturing process to ensure proper quality controls are in place and enforced. Those actions took place after the vaccines were authorized for emergency use and before full approval was granted at a later time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
While it's not the first time that's been done, it's not standard procedure.
Interesting that trump was screechy about how the fda was too slow and now people like you are trying to scream about them being to quick. Hilarious. But predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
OMG…that is WONDERFUL! Hoping it continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
I haven't screamed, or even whispered, about the FDA being too quick, just pointing out that standard procedure was not followed. You must have intentionally missed the earlier post where I said I was in favor of fast tracking when warranted, and I believe in this case it was. The only thing predictable is your misrepresentation. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
What wonderful news about your husband! Maybe cancer treatment is finally emerging from the dark ages. Now if we could just make it affordable...Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Traitor trump talking if (God forbid) he is ever re-elected…would pardon rioters/killers/maimers of Jan 6th. Just can’t understand why he is not behind bars. Obviously he is above the law.
In my business, I see wonderful things being done. Immunotherapies, CAR-Ts, genomic therapies It won't be long before all cancers will just be another disease to be managed. I wish your husband much success with his treatment, flowers!Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I'm intrigued by phage therapy (for intractable infection), but I'm not sure it's getting much traction.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
My husband is in a clinical trial in a major cancer center. His MD was presenting to the FDA last week. The trial has been so successful they are anticipating it will fast track to level two. He is in level one. Formerly his diagnosis would have been a death sentence. Every single person who completed the trial is alive and has no evidence of cancer.
Great news! May he join the others and be cancer free.
And you must have missed my post where I asked what standard procedure wasn’t followed which you didn’t answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
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Originally Posted by jp1
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Originally Posted by Alan
Really? I thought I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
And I thought I addressed that. Perhaps you can point to an independent source that provides details beyond your preferred narrative about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
That’s wonderful news Flowers!!
jp, Alan is right. There are very rigid protocols for approvals of new drugs. It takes years, typically, mainly because of the four phases of clinical trials they have to go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average."
http://phrma-docs.phrma.org/sites/de...ure_022307.pdf
https://www.drugwatch.com/fda/approval-process/
Occasionally a drug that is deemed to be necessary given a specific condition and benefits derived in the trials can be be "fast tracked" But the only thing "fast tracked" in that situation is the bureaucracy of moving through the FDA--it's not a clinical shortcut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_track_(FDA)
What was different in the case of COVID is that they collapsed some of the normal steps of development. Here's an article that explains exactly what those shortcuts were. The main point about how they were able to move through the process for the COVID vaccines is because it's a vaccine. Vaccine technology and surveillance has gone on for a long time--you could say since the late 18th century. It's not like creating a whole new mechanism of action. The companies that were able to come up with the vaccines so quickly are well established vaccine manufacturers.
So some might be fearful that getting a small dose of COVID will cause terrible effects, but in all, it's a pretty safe bet that a vaccine against COVID is not much different than a vaccine against polio, smallpox, or measles.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...elopment-speed
catherine, thank you for that. The next to the last paragraph from your article sums up what I was trying to say:
Decades of previous work combined with a fast-moving virus, a public willingness to help and elimination of wait times drove the rapid development of COVID-19 vaccines. No safety steps were skipped, says Stanley Plotkin, emeritus professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania, who is perhaps best known for his work developing the rubella vaccine.
Alan's and my disagreement stems from whether all the delays that are built into the process in normal time but were avoided for the covid vaccine development constitute deviating from standard procedure. I don't think they do since the elimination of the delays didn't alter any of the active actions that would have taken place in developing and getting approval for these vaccines. Alan apparently has a different opinion on that.
I was also referencing how trump, months before the election was strongly pushing to have the vaccine rushed through the process and after the election was livid, blaming the "deep medical state" for it not getting released prior to the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...cine-politics/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...fizer-vaccine/
DJT actually said that - "the deep medical state"? A new low for him, though I'm not surprised. I just hope he doesn't run in 2024 - America can't afford another Trump run if it doesn't want to split apart. RobQuote:
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And a simple reason for yours truly not to vote Republican - to do so would be inappropriate based on my life experience thus far. Rob
Thank you for the good wishes. DH currently has no evidence of disease and is healing nicely. We still have a long hill to climb to keep him so but I have confidence that science and medicine will conquer this.
perhaps this is the biggest reason I will never ever vote for a Republican again. The trump disrespect for nurses, doctors and scientists was encouraged. Climate change causing more wildfires? Rake the forests. COVID is a hoax? Patients insisting on unproven drugs be given them and threatening ER staffs. These are my documents? No, they belong in the archives as the law says. Not working for affordable accessible healthcare. Advocating guns that can mow down a classroom of kids. But what about those tax cuts for the wealthy?
one of my neighbors who still flies a trump Rambo flag calls the educated useful idiots. Well medical personnel certainly come in handy when you need them. And lawyers. I know very few people who have had any kind of lawsuit in their lives. The constant lawsuits and threats of lawsuits by Trump are ridiculous. Lead a lawful life and you have far more peace and serenity.
and as for climate change, Miami already has raised streets, Key Biscayne national park has boardwalks that are frequently under water and the keys are fighting which streets to raise although it has no money to do so. The price of free dumb.
"one of my neighbors who still flies a trump Rambo flag calls the educated useful idiots."
Ironically, "Useful idiot" is defined as "... used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation, " (Wikipedia) and it perfectly describes Trump's early years before he became a Russian asset--as is meticulously outlined in the rarely read and often-ignored Mueller Report.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ty-report.html