yep, it is John Delony fromQuote:
Originally Posted by catherine
the Ramsey show. I think he is sometimes brilliant. Seldom is he off the mark in his advice, IMHO.
This podcast is for your kids! And their kids.
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yep, it is John Delony fromQuote:
Originally Posted by catherine
the Ramsey show. I think he is sometimes brilliant. Seldom is he off the mark in his advice, IMHO.
This podcast is for your kids! And their kids.
As to Catherine’s original question: I find it impossible to reconcile projections of
1. We will not have enough workers in the future and
2. We will have to pay everyone Universal
basic income because most of the jobs will be automated, people will not have jobs
So, I have no opinion.
If we do not have enough people then our population will decrease because people won't get the care needed (medically), so the population self corrects. What will be the effect of automation and lower income populations?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
As a gay man with straight male MGTOW friends I find this topic fascinating. Simply put, it seems that many straight men have given up on dating/relationships/marriage/fatherhood. Can you blame them?
The above prospects in an era of me too, no fault divorce and alimony/child support in a country of turbo charged capitalism and declining standards of living and diminished opportunities for most - what sane man, after doing a cost/benefit analysis, would sign up for this today?
Want this to change? Until there is true equality upon divorce, and family law courts overhauled to be less anti male and alimony scrapped in the cases of both partners working and no fault divorce scrapped - expect even less straight male participation in these areas.
Ladies of this board - please don't hate me. As a gay man I am a tourist to these issues so I thought I'd drop some truths I've learned from straight men - fairly successful and attractive ones, too. Men's issues need to be taken just as seriously as women's - until such a date, continue to expect more men becoming Passport Bros or just giving up on this part of life entirely. In the current climare it is in straight male best interest to do so. And I don't believe one word here has been misogonistic (sp?). It is no longer 1950 - and this is not ALL bad. These changes have allowed me to be legally married to a wonderful man. As I said, I am a tourist to these issues. Rob
If you’re afraid of marriage and fatherhood because you’re concerned about a costly divorce down the line, then you probably aren’t a suitable candidate for forming a family. If you’re afraid to have children because of the possible challenges of the future, then you should leave the next generation to braver, more optimistic people.
As I stated above, as a gay man I am a tourist to issues. But this is what I have been told is commonplace amongst straight men eligible to play the game in first place. I will say that if being with a man were fraught with this level of risk I'd steer clear and devote these energies elsewhere. This citizenship is already enough risk for me. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I think there is a growing trend for both men and women to remain single and/or childless. At least I've seen articles in the NYT as such. I can imagine there are ugly things like the divorce rate that may be part of things, but I also think there are cultural expectations of the traditional family unit as the norm that have changed and are less the social demand now. I think career demands of both working spouses could be part of it, but there are probably sociological experts that have sliced and diced the causes. As a single heterosexual male, and fairly comfortable with that, there would probably be a time when I'd be an outlier or worse. The male version of an "old maid". I think it is good that society has become more accepting of the various permutations of relationships. If I did an informal survey of my married associations, maybe as many as half have stayed in their marriage for financial reasons or for the children, but have some basic core dissatisfactions with their relationships. It seems less so in older couples who have gotten used to their spouses shortcomings, real or imagined.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
My take on this is that the Atlantic and the Times are always reporting on a very narrow sliver of people and presenting their experience as the cultural zeitgeist, which the rest of society goes on reproducing as usual. I think the birth rate normalizes to whatever the situation is through mechanisms we don't yet recognize.
I agree this is probably true. We humans tend to think we are in control/responsible for all mechanisms. If I were young, I would also probably question procreating given that we are bombarded with negative news from every corner of the world. If you tune that out though, fall in love and imagine how wonderful a family and future would be with that person and plan for it responsibly, then go for it. I never regret having a child and now grandchildren to see the future I will never know. Also, there is something very special about being partnered for a long time and learning to love your partner til the end, faults and all.Quote:
I think the birth rate normalizes to whatever the situation is through mechanisms we don't yet recognize.
The MGTOW community is a bit…problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I’m quite glad men of that mindset are not pursuing long term relationships. Probably best for us all.