My cousin had type 1 diabetes as a baby. My son had asthma at 1. I will tell them to get healthy. ��
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My cousin had type 1 diabetes as a baby. My son had asthma at 1. I will tell them to get healthy. ��
I’m not sure how to do that. Despite walking miles everyday and eating right I’m still almost 70. Plus that pesky asthma despite never smoking ever in my life. Maybe I should step up to the plate and take one for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
My career was a nurse and my whole work life was based on prevention not cure. The medical practice I go to is all about prevention. But taking away healthcare, like the Republicans have done with their repeal and replace with nothing sounds like a recipe to promote infectious diseases, illness and death.
How can we imagine a world without infectious diseases if we don’t work with WHO, fund scientists and follow the recommendations of physicians and scientists?
Im really confused how the current situation isn’t a mass death plan for people who are poor, of color and old. I really mean that. I’m not trying to be clever or cute, just trying to figure out what is going on and what the end plan is besides to pollute the planet to make more money, let the burdensome die, and make the rich richer.
You answered your own question regarding what conditions make one susceptible to bad outcomes from corona. Not every case is tied to lifestyle but many are. For instance, while Type 1 diabetes is not, it's Type 2 in this country, tied to lifestyle, that has skyrocketed over the past few decades. Hypertension can often be prevented - or reversed - with diet and exercise. Smoking is one of the risk factors for asthma and COPD. But I understand many people don't want to change their lifestyles. It is easier to just take a pill. I've heard people say things like I am not going to cut back my drinking, I'll just take the statins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Regarding old age, we all have to die sometime of something. There is no fountain of youth.
Yup. You've got some serious work to do!!!! Does this make you a Mom failure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Ridiculous!
good to know your healthcare experience is so much better and expansive than mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I don't know a single asthmatic that ever smoked. I don't know of a single child asthmatic who smoked. I know many healthy/active people with hypertension.
Don't whitewash the problem with sweeping "get healthy" statements.
I guess we'll just sit back and watch more people die. Body bags all around!
One of the first logistical models I did earlier in the year for local Emergency Management included a spreadsheet tab labelled "Body Bags". That was a bit daunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
But sure, stack 'em high.
Covid 19 has become the new Student Loan Forgiveness Program on this board. ;)
My mother was diagnosed with asthma as a young person. Her doctor told her that smoking would help. She smoked for 40 or 50 years. I never knew her to suffer asthma symptoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Speaking of body bags: "In mid-March, as the Seattle region grappled with a coronavirus outbreak, a community health center caring for the area's Native American population made an urgent request to county, state and federal health agencies: Please send medical supplies.
What it received almost three weeks later left staff members stunned.
"My team turned ghost white," said Esther Lucero, chief executive officer of the Seattle Indian Health Board. "We asked for tests, and they sent us a box of body bags.""
Does that make masks the new salad spinner? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by herbgeek
To be fair, body bags are medical supplies/PPE. And you need more of them for this than you do for other things - our protocol requires double-bagging.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
As someone pointed out, most adults have some comorbidity (half of adults, for example, have high blood pressure, by some accounts*), but here we go again casting blame right and left. It's the virus that's at fault here. Plenty of people in other countries, without our societal health problems, have died of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
*Medical News Today
I haven't seen anyone mention obesity as a leading factor.
:~):~) Good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Exactly. But many don't choose that as the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I'm not against anyone trying to be healthy, I just don't think it's ok to let people die just because they didn't choose to be healthy and some just because luck of the draw.
Or--worse yet--they followed national health guidelines and became less healthy (Eat lots of carbohydrates! Eat less fat!) with diabetes and other inflammatory conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
I know asthmatics who smoked tobacco, marijuana, and crack cocaine. This is the problem with anecdotes rather than facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Tradd here is an article which notes the CDC lists obesity as a covid-19 risk factor:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...y-and-covid-19
Just make sure that the mask doesn't push your number of possessions over 200!Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Yes, PSAs would need to reflect current best knowledge and practices not who lobbies Washington the most for product category placement in the food pyramid. Exercise and stop smoking would be less controversial.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
But judging by the reaction here asking people to do anything preventive to reduce their underlying risk factors is a horrible thing. There is always some anecdotal outlier whose condition is congenital and they use that to excuse anyone else from trying.
Oh, I know I've seen it in the news. I meant here, in this thread. People here have talked about things like high blood pressure, diabetes, but haven't mentioned (that I've seen) here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
When you fail to plan you plan to fail. I guess they were focused on other things like consolidation and maximizing profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
As a asthmatic I wouldn’t live long if I smoked anything. I don’t know any that do. Asthma is often caused by allergies or poor air quality. Smokers get COPD . Although I know non smokers with it.
This discussion puts me in mind of something my former doctor said to me. He was an old-school realist who said that our goal was to control my condition well enough for something else to kill me.
In general, a SNF shouldn't need N95s or regular masks. So I disagree with your assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
the personal responsibility angle on this of all things seems rather tangential to anything, because really if one is concerned about covid is almost anyone's concerns only themselves or maybe also others they care about?
But one can't "take personal responsibility" for others behavior if they are obese or smokers or elderly obviously (one of these things is not like the others). That's al-anon 101. But the horror of "sacrifice the weak" as social policy persists.
But I guess the distress of it all, this living in crazy times in a crazy place, can penetrate deep enough that one may as well be adopting the psychology of a concentration camp victim, just survival, day by day survival, personal hope for one's survival as the entire of one's focus. But that one's focus has narrowed that much to only focus on one's survival, as all one is capable of even processing, seems a sign of the trauma.
And as for one's survival of course the best thing to do is not get covid, to avoid it, but if one gets it anyway despite taking every precaution, then be as healthy as they can, hope they are able to fight it off (although not to fight it off TOO strongly as that can kill you too, but I don't think there is much can be done about that - I don't think we can produce "perfect medium" immune systems, we can just be healthy is all).
1 in 5 Americans is now unemployed. I would be interested in knowing how many of the remaining 4 of 5 get to work from home and how many can't and, as ANM says despite their best efforts, could get sick. I don't think bandannas and other cloth coverings around people's faces and temperature checks will keep me safe at work. If I'm going to get it anyways I may as well be able to get my hair cut and do other things I want. Yesterday a customer came in the employees only office area, the manager did nothing, and when I spoke to the intruder - very nicely - he said, "What are you going to do? Kick me out?" There's not a day goes by I feel safe from the virus at work, but I do have the right to quit as an employee at will. I choose to work and despite the risks I am happy to have a job. Others should have the choice to open or close their businesses and if they want to take on the risk of selling to me and I want to take on the risk of buying so be it. Life is full of risks.
So, you’re proposing sort of the flip version of ‘I’ve got mine so eff everyone else’. What you seem to be saying is ‘I don’t have my security from this so why should anyone else?’Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Someone equally unempathetic could say ‘why don’t you find a job that can be done from home instead of complaining that everyone should have to risk their lives?’
Jp, what I'm saying is more like security is an illusion for anyone not able to hunker down in their house for 18 months to 2 years. Most of us are not prepared to be survivalists like that.
And for all the people saying, "I work at home or I am retired or I have investments that I can live off of indefinitely, so I will get groceries delivered, cut my own hair, etc. etc." you are especially lucky and protected by your money, and getting things sent by Amazon and having groceries delivered depends upon the work of others who do not have that luxury or that protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
It's turning out to be a very unequal proposition, the protection of the vulnerable, because anyone who is out working now is more vulnerable than those of us lucky enough to work at home.
And if we are going to get Covid, I'd rather get it with employment and health insurance than laid off. That's my opinion; I understand that decent people can actually hold different opinions from my own, and that does not make them bad people.
Any biologists here? I have been thinking how covid strikes most notably in densely populated areas like NYC or in dense housing arrangements like nursing homes. Are there parallels with other members of the animal kingdom? Do viruses gain a foothold and rage through a species when that species is overpopulated for its habitat? Hunters thin deer to prevent problems, but no one thins humans. I am not saying anyone should! But maybe viruses do the thinning.
The people in Germany and New Zealand and Australia aren’t hunkering down for 18-24 months. The only reason we will need to hunker that long is the extreme incompetence of everyone in the trump administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Daily deaths are projected to be 3,000 in a few weeks. How long before they are 6,000? 7,000? 8,000? I suppose eventually we’ll run out of useless old people and people who should have taken better care of themselves and deserve to die and the daily death toll will fall. But there were be a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering in the meantime.
Absolutely. That’s why factory farms feed the animals insane amounts of antibiotics for their whole lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
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Originally Posted by Yppej
I think this is an important point, that those of us who are privileged to stay home are in fact privileged. And it fits in with my idea that we, the privileged, need to exercise our privilege by not increasing the burden on society by getting sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I'm immensely grateful to be able to stay safely at home. I'm sorry for those who are expected to go to work and risk their lives without PPEs and/or medical or societal support.
Seems to me that humans aren't very good at self-regulating. We have all kinds of laws that consider "the other" and that technically "violate" our rights - smoking outside only, driving the speed limit and on and on. Wearing a mask when in public signifies you care. When I do go out, I am struck by the number of males in particular who do not wear masks. I guess it is an act of defiance.
my thinking on this is that if the privileged are able to avoid this, then why should I die just because I'm not rich? F it, and maybe I refuse to go back to work. F work. F capitalism. F wealth. F America. F Trump. Other countries can deal with this problem and we can't even. Not dying for this horrible country. If I'm going to throw away my life shouldn't it be for something I at least believe in? This isn't it. The Tsars can fight their own wars. Me dying doesn't mean the privileged don't escape this, of course they do, it merely means me dying.Quote:
And for all the people saying, "I work at home or I am retired or I have investments that I can live off of indefinitely, so I will get groceries delivered, cut my own hair, etc. etc." you are especially lucky and protected by your money, and getting things sent by Amazon and having groceries delivered depends upon the work of others who do not have that luxury or that protection.
It's turning out to be a very unequal proposition, the protection of the vulnerable, because anyone who is out working now is more vulnerable than those of us lucky enough to work at home.
And if we are going to get Covid, I'd rather get it with employment and health insurance than laid off. That's my opinion; I understand that decent people can actually hold different opinions from my own, and that does not make them bad people.
This country could: 1) deal with the virus 2) pay people to stay home while it does so, ideally though their jobs so they have one to go back to to, but even if they don't through UBI etc. 3) provide PPE for those few essential workers and try to minimize the amount of essential work 4) rebuild the economy if necessary afterward (but less necessary if you do 1-3) when it's over. It chooses none of this, only to give Wall Street trillions, why should I die for it? And it doesn't have to have healthcare tied to jobs either.
And by the way essential workers actually might want people staying home as it means less community spread and thus less risk to them as well.
I have done my part as much as I can think of for the essential workers by not buying anything but necessities so that they can have as little work as possible. I still eat, omg, you want to make that my crime. I'm not buying anything else. What if they had an economy and nobody came?
What practical course of action do you plan to take after all the Fing?Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
What happens to me? Even I don't care, just I know we are being ordered to die. All the experts keep saying "don't open it all up yet", and we pretend that all this expert advice somehow isn't real in what has to be the gaslighting of the century (yea I know climate change, at least that's a truly hard problem). And reopening will happen because they have no plan to actually deal with the virus. What happens to this country, I have no hope for it, although maybe I should have hope in young people. It's not even going to recover economically, not really, it botched everything so badly.