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He sounds like our Governor Larry Hogan. He was superb during the pandemic. Republican in a very Democrat state. He negotiates well and compromises. He is NOT supporting the Trump candidate who won the primary. He also said he did not vote for Trump in either election. He's had 2 terms so cannot run again.
The big end of the year county fair in Maine had ranked voting for the Best Fiber Art, so I guess the ranked voting we have is now trickling down to life in the real world.
Same dynamic here; we are a very blue state that often elects a moderate Republican governor and it seems to work quite well for us. Baker also made no secret of his dislike for Trump. We need people who can compromise and reach across the aisle or I fear we are doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by nswef
We also need politicians with enough integrity to not continue supporting their party’s leader if he goes full traitor and attempts a coup to overthrow an election. Until that happens there is no ‘working together’.
Maybe a Republican governor and a Dem legislature on the state level works. A Dem governor and a Republican legislature like WI just leads to stripping the governor of all power though,and gerrymandering everything else.
It's a dangerous game of Russian roulette against democracy, and one I am perfectly happy not playing at all (obviously Republicans control nothing much here, fine by me. Then when they try to replace the elected governor they run Larry Elder :laff:, such a joke). And despite the state being very blue I have not noticed the Republican candidates being moderates at all for the most part, just content to always lose pretty much.
The newest thing is republicans in WI trying to make into law that if the candidate they want does not win the election, they replace them with the candidate they want. Talk about going against democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Heard this song today...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8S8gWBN9yE
Those in the 60's really took these words to heart. Sadly, they are as relevant now as they were then.
The Democrats had a pretty aggressive gerrymander of their own that won approval by the state Supreme Court, but the SCOTUS shot it down in March because it violated the Voting Rights Act. The Democrats’ map diluted the black vote in SE Wisconsin to create more safe districts for their side.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
That is not true. republicans made it difficult for blacks to vote. Blacks had to travel out of their district that was not even covered by a bus route to vote. The republicans are doing whatever they can to make sure the blacks have a difficult time. That is the deal with their gerrymandering.
The district maps cases are a matter or record.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Just as it is a matter of record that Stacey Abrams ridiculous voter suppression suit was recently tossed out.
So apparently Perla, the person that recruited the migrants for desantis’ stunt, has been identified. This may get interesting. Especially as the civil suit against desantis, which also names her, moves forward. Wonder if he paid her enough florida taxpayer money to take the fall.
[QUOTE=LDAHL;415093]The district maps cases are a matter or record.
That is true. That is why it is apparent republican gerrymandering. Problem in WI is the republicans are trying to make it so they are in control of everything. Wait... not just in WI. Some will go to the supreme court where... republicans are in the majority also. We are doomed in this country.... democracy is on the way out. Like the song says... Eve of Destruction.
Sounds ominous! But then when you see the lyrics, it sorta makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin'
I'm sittin' here just contemplatin'
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation
Handful of Senators don't pass legislation
And marches alone can't bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin'
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'
And you tell me over and over and over again my friend
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction
“you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction”
Disturbing…. to say the least. trump put his henchmen on the supreme court for a reason…
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...rper-explained
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Originally Posted by frugal-one
From this article is this conclusion:
So the fact that four justices voted to hear Moore doesn’t mean that a majority is willing to endorse the unprecedented arguments offered by the state lawmakers in the case. The Court could still reject the theory and reaffirm the way our elections have worked for over two centuries.
so no, it isnt a done deal. But that said—
This is an opinion article. It is the opinion of Berenstein and sweren-Becker. What is YOUR opinion? Are you relying on the opinion of these two authors? Isn’t this exactly what you berate me for doing?
Personally, I think it’s a good article but – it’s just an opinion, a projection of what the United States Supreme Court might do and why.
[QUOTE=frugal-one;415096]Control of everything? The Democrats’ gerrymander fell foul of the federal gerrymander mandated by the Voting Rights Act. As to your claim about polling places being affected by redistricting, the number and location of polls is administered by the overlying local governments, which in the case of Milwaukee have been in the hands of the Democratic Party for many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
And the judge who found Stacey Abrams’ lawsuit to be without merit? An Obama appointee.
If the Republicans are plotting to achieve Space Lizard Overlord status, they certainly seem to have a long way to go.
This scares the bejesus out of me. This is a bellwether of what may come. Read further up and you will know my stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
[QUOTE=LDAHL;415111]Wrong. There used to be many locations for the black people to vote and then the republicans gerrymandered so there was only one.... not on a bus line.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Weird - my whole state has been vote-by-mail for years now, seems to work well and seems to improve voter turnout.
[QUOTE=frugal-one;415124]And once again, a change in the legislative district you live in doesn’t move polling places around. It just changes the choices on your ballot. Changes in polling places are made by your local government officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
[QUOTE=LDAHL;415127]https://www.maciverinstitute.com/202...errymandering/Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/re...tions-rcna7229
[QUOTE=frugal-one;415130]I am curious as to what you’re trying to convey with the two article links you posted. Neither one of them address the issue you claim, that lack of polling places and adequate bus transportation in black Neighborhoods resulted in them not voting. Sounds to me like you’re just parroting some CNN line and then failing to logically defend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
As for parties drawing voting districts that favor them, I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that the Republican party would draw districts to favor their outcome! Not. Do you think that’s a new thing?
I heard a long explanation on NPR a few years ago About how algorithmic science is increasingly being used to determine fair versus non-fair voting district lines. It is a complex science. I’m glad I’m not on any court whether state or national Supreme Court to have to determine this issue. It is complicated and not given to summary in breathless CNN/MS NBC nuggets of headline wisdom.
Wi …yesterday the governor had wanted special meeting to get a referendum on abortion in WI. republicans gaveled in and out … 32 seconds. They OBVIOUSLY don’t care what the people want. Another reason NOT to vote republican. Traitor ron johnson in the news again showing how he lied about his involvement in Jan 6th. Unbelievable that people vote for this lowlife.
[QUOTE=iris lilies;415136]Read what you want into it. I have no desire to discuss/debate with you ad naseum.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Actually something positive…. Word is a few state like Michigan and Pennsylvania.. some republicans are starting to vote against election deniers and whacky conspiracy theorists. Hopefully more republicans and states will join suit.
Republican in good standing Marjorie Taylor Greene recently said "I am not going to mince words with you all. Democrats want Republicans dead, and they have already started the killings."
Does anyone have any idea what the hell she's talking about?
I think people sometimes betray their inner thoughts by what they seem concerned with...Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I also seem to recall MTG calling for the execution of elected officials. I suspect they were democrats, but I admit I haven't really been paying attention to the clown college.
Ha! I'm concerned that she seems to be fomenting mass violence, even though my chances of getting caught in the crossfire are slim.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
[QUOTE=frugal-one;415139]hunh, have we actually debated? I guess I missed that. I see you post links, say mean things about all Republicans which does not bother me, berate Alan for having his head in the sand, tell me I am stupid for not thinking for myself/failing to watch CNN/MSNBC/other mainstream teevee (also—does not bother me) and post in a shouty way more links.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I guess I don’t consider those actions “ debate” but ymmv as it obviously does.
Now apparently newt Gingrich believes there should be an exception to abortion restrictions. For people who are deeply committed to Christ.
That is interesting. I’m going to go check that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Edit to add: what an odd interpretation you’ve made if you’re talking about Newt defending Senate candidate Walker. There’s nothing in the news report I read that is about a woman who is committed to Christ being allowed an exception abortion in a restricted state.
I suppose you’re right. His exception is only that a man can pay for a woman he impregnated to get an abortion if the man is deeply committed to Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I suppose that difference is significant since we all know that republicans think men should be the ones deciding what women do with their bodies.
Hunh? If Walker paid for an abortion, and it looks like he did, it was legal. Of course he “ can oay fir a woman…to get an abortion,” What exception is needed? You may remember that Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. Walker isnt old enough to have predated that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Geez JP you really do twist points that seem… Not a point.
I’m simply pointing out that a) it’s wildly hypocritical that republicans are defending he fact that he impregnated someone and then paid for her abortion while simultaneously vowing to outlaw all future abortions, and b) calling that dirtbag ‘deeply committed to Christ’ when the other candidate in his race is a preacher. One who didn’t commit domestic violence, father several children that he pretends don’t exist or pay for an abortion of a fetus that he fathered.
If walker is the kind of person republicans think is ‘deeply committed to Christ’ it’s no wonder so many people think Christianity, at least as practiced by some republicans, is a clown car farce of a religion.
Oh! Do you think he’s a hypocrite!
Why didn’t you just say so.
:~)
You’ve got a point. Anyone who has even sort of been paying attention for the past several years has figured out that hypocrisy is the only Republican value that they actually cherish. Well, that and winning regardless of how many ‘highly cherished’ values they have to toss in the trash can along the way. Being against abortion is just another one of those values that they don’t actually care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Lol. Now it turns out that the woman who walker paid for the abortion is also the mother of one of his kids he pretended didn’t exist. I wonder how this new detail fits into Gingrich’s belief that walker has deeply held belief in Christ?
That we are all sinners trying to be better?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
There is no redemption of sin with our new Puritans, only cancellation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
There’s no amount of good work to prove that one isn’t being performative either.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
He lies every time he opens his mouth. Maybe he hasn't read the "false witness" part of the Ten Commandments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Republicans are scraping the bottom of the barrel for candidates, witness Lauren Boebert.