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Rosa, your state is being smart.
Iceland seems to have a handle on things:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/i...rus/index.html
They're taking it seriously, and using science.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Far, far from what is happening here.
Now they are able to reopen and e normal. Well worth a small sacrifice.
One quarter of Texas surge hospitalizations right now are under 30. We are set to make a road trip there in a week and are wondering if they will have to shut things down again.
I’m doomed, the Italians have been laying tile now for three weeks straight, they took off last Sunday for a soccer game. There have been at least three of them in all parts of the house. And I’m getting pretty tired of the music and singing. There are 8 landscapers that have been here for a week, at least they are outside. And two plumbers for two weeks. The cabinet maker is behind, so we wil be exposed to those guys in a few weeks. And of coarse multiple delivery guys, electricians, and some I can’t remember.
But the city is not doing inspections inside, so I don’t know when I’ll get the final inspections done. The plumber is the only inspection I’ll need, he said so far they have asked him for pictures and gave approval on those.
And I made two trips to West Palm that is a hotspot in the state to buy a boat. And the wife flew to Ohio last week.
We are staying away from the grandkids till this is over.
I know and love some small business owners, and I think it's terrible what this pandemic is doing to businesses in general. I don't see it as anyone's fault though; it's a pandemic and of course it sucks. I cannot live in a complete bubble even though I'm retired, and a spike in Covid cases still has the potential to affect me and/or people I care about with just more illness swirling about. For example, my mother took a fall and I spent yesterday morning at the local ER with her (fortunately just a bad sprain, no fracture). So much for my efforts to avoid medical facilities. We are all interconnected to some degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
The article confirms what I understood about Iceland's thorough tracing/quarantining of contacts. On the island kinship is well established... as they say, "everybody knows everybody".Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
The leadership of the effort to counteract the spread of the virus in Iceland was out of the hands of politicians. The key roles were played by a police detective, a nurse, and a public health official. I believe they were on TV together for an hour every day... so the population was given a consistent message, not biased by an elected president or a state governor (as in the USA), and not perpetually criticized by the "loyal opposition".
I agree with JaneV2.0 that Iceland was using science, and I would add "for the public interest". COVID-19 tests were plentiful because a local company, a subsidiary of a multinational pharmaceutical company, dropped all other activities to produce testing kits for the Iceland national government.
Another factor was voluntarism. I believe the tracing effort was greatly aided by retired nurses in Iceland who heeded the call to return to service.
BZ BRAVO ZULU to Iceland
It's such a small community that they have a special dating app for Icelanders, ÍslendigaApp, which allows you to bump your phones together at a bar or whatnot to see if you have close kinship. The app slogan is “Bump the app before you bump into bed.”Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
I have greatly enjoyed my many visits to Iceland :-)
Daily covid deaths are now a tenth of what they used to be, yet large portions of the state remain locked down by our dictatorial governor. It's fear not facts. Very frustrating.
The blood loss from this wound is down 90% from applying direct pressure, which really hurts quite a bit!
The wound isn't bleeding much now though, let's remove the pressure!
It'll all be good!
#Things_they_don't_teach_you_in_medic_school
every successful country, including only moderately successful ones who were by no means exemplary and are not entirely free of it (much of Europe including Italy), got the virus down to very low rates before reopening (they may also have traced and so on).
Of course it's possible the U.S. isn't CAPABLE of that anyway, it's a FAIL-STATE (failed state + failson) afterall, not capable of much.
Because the rate with lockdown here plateaued, it never really got low, now it's definitely on the rise here locally, everything is open, you can't get your nails painted because the your so vain song is about you, if you want, cheap often illegal immigrant labor probably not even earning minimum wage, serving you, and getting sick for it. What's not to like? But cases keep rising.
I have a lot of respect for the "abundance of caution" school of thought in this case. The West Coast is slowly reopening with masks mandatory in most counties.
Covid reminds me of Y2K, another exaggerated "disaster".
People worked their *bleeps*off rewriting code for years before Y2K, and certifying critical systems would function properly. As a result, there was no disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Covid-19, people worked their *bleeps* off as well, as a result only 118,334 people have died from it in the USA so far, as of this moment. Expect that number to continue upwards.
So yes, I suppose the two events are similar, in that action by informed and diligent people limited the impacts significantly.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans, to say nothing of citizens of other countries, didn't die due to Y2K. And it's not over yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I’ve been putting in huge hours for three months to meet the needs of dozens of Covid patients. It really frustrates me that people believe none of this is happening.
The people who are dying are for the most part people who would have died anyways of the flu or some other opportunistic infection. There are the proverbial exceptions that prove the rule. This is not like the disease epidemics that wiped out whole Native American communities upon first contact. Everyone wishes covid were not around, but it is not catastrophic. People have compared it to the Black Death and the Spanish flu of 1918, events of a totally different scale. There is a lot of paranoia and exaggeration by people with a vested interest in fearmongering, as with Y2K.
You are so wrong
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
Ah yes. The CoronaConspiracy. Plandemic. It's so obvious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Y2K was how I spent most of my 1999 at work (and a good chunk of my 1998). Assessing exposures, investigating options, defining specs, getting six- and seven-figure updates approved, implementing them, testing them, and executing a test suite at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve 1999 because if my systems didn't work because of Y2K, no one else would be notified about theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Were there lives at stake? Not for the Fortune 100 manufacturing company at which I worked. But my experience was duplicated at hospitals and medical-equipment manufacturers and emergency dispatch sites, where lives were at stake. Y2K was injurious to the company's bottom line and inconvenient for the company's operation and 1/1/2000 was going to happen anyway. So I suppose we shouldn't have done anything and just found out where the chips fell.
Ridiculous.
Programmers were definitely one group that benefited from Y2K fears. A friend of mine in that profession then told me she demanded to work from home 3 days a week and could get that and whatever else she wanted because of Y2K.
"Fears". You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I was in charge of Y2K compliance for one of America's most successful technology companies. Both for our own processes and infrastructure, as we didn't want to suffer business losses because of it, and for the products that we produced. Our products were used in situations where they simply couldn't ever fail, even from hardware failure events. It was essential that we could guarantee our products would not suffer from the Y2K issues, and could prove it ahead of time to our fault-intolerant customers.
As a result, I directed a sizeable engineering effort to make that happen. We didn't "benefit" from that activity, except that in doing so we were able to retain our customers. We deployed Really Smart, Highly Paid senior engineers to deal with our software, firmware, and hardware Y2K issues, and we would have produced More Profit if we'd been able to use those scarce, expensive resources for new product development instead.
Yet we, who were probably the most informed people on the planet about the issues, decided it made good sense to spend this effort, weighing the risks and costs based on data, not fear.
How much code or hardware design did *you* inspect during Y2K? How is it you are such an expert that you can classify the conclusions of real engineers and scientists as "fear"?
Waiting for deflection in....3....2.....1
And as Steve pointed out, the y2k programmers did a good job. They deserve everything they got.
This graph of the first five months of the year shows in a neat way how serious covid is.
https://public.flourish.studio/visua...ww5uBlrJjzqGIg
So what if they got a benefit, I've got benefits in my work life just for asking as well. They can say no, you can ask, if you don't even ask, well that's totally your own fault at that point.
Oh silly JP1, Y doesn't believe in science or fact. Not sure why you bother her with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Oh my, my husband's work was Y2K fallout prevention and it's all he did for 18 months. I have no idea what benefits you speak of. I mean, he was employed 40h/week and got to pay for a hotel room and meals 2 blocks from the office as he was on a 5 minute call-in for 48 hours if there were issues. And no, there was no reimbursement for those expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
But hey, you know much more than he, so by all means, your expertise must be recognized>:(
I don't know what planet you live on......................
She's blocked me so it's only everyone else that will benefit from that timeline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
Ahhh... Y2K... the last part of my coding/programmer career was working on that. Suffice to say, I now ALWAYS write out the full 4-digit year on everything. LOL.
I spent a solid 2 years in QA specifically focused on y2k testing. There were real issues to fix, and fix we did. And our software worked flawlessly when Jan 1, 2000 came along. That doesn't make it a hoax.Quote:
Ahhh... Y2K... the last part of my coding/programmer career was working on that.
Most states had some version of a stay at home order. This prevented a lot of people from contracting Covid and kept infection rates (relatively) low-ish. That doesn't make it a hoax.
So many computer people on this forum! The rest of us were out partying like it was 1999.
Hahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
Thank you, bae. Nothing I could add to that response.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
ROFLOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
I well remember the COBOL coders’ last stand. They were indeed the best informed people on the issues. After all, it was largely their lack of foresight that created them. But in their defense, nobody thought so many poorly documented lines of code would still be in use many years in the future.
I think it’s interesting how well we are able to ignore the approach of inevitable crises until it’s almost too late, whether in software, pestilence or insolvency of retirement systems.
California is now mandating masks. I hope other states follow suit.
Ah.... yeah..so.....about those TPS reports.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by herbgeek
about time (although people do wear masks). Too bad it only came after that health director in orange county had to lose their job over it etc.- not going to be any qualified people left in government at any level by the time Trump and his merry band of idiots is done with us.Quote:
California is now mandating masks.