I am also doing everything legal but chafe at the micromanagement. Businesses should be allowed to open. At risk people can stay home. No one is forcing anyone to go to a restaurant, get their nails done, or get a tattoo.
I am also doing everything legal but chafe at the micromanagement. Businesses should be allowed to open. At risk people can stay home. No one is forcing anyone to go to a restaurant, get their nails done, or get a tattoo.
There are some things worse than death, and in my mind months of intrusive medical care is one of those things. Of course, this should be entirely a personal choice.Originally Posted by Tybee
but people have to work at even the highest risk businesses as they will no longer get unemployment. Pregnant women, asthmatics, or maybe an elderly parent living with them. Perhaps a type one diabetic who was born insulin deficient. Maybe a cancer survivor who is susceptible. It’s either that or risk starvation, homelessness and losing health insurance.
But a lot of the at risk probably are just a burden and need to be culled. Kinda like Sarah Palin and her death panel she claimed Obamacare had. Ironic?
right guaranteed-income and then let's talk about what noone is forced to do, until then it's meaningless, people have to work those nail salons. But hey many people try not to even see the working people that provide them with their services. That's why all the focus merely on their consumer choice. They don't see them. They like servants in truth.but people have to work at even the highest risk businesses as they will no longer get unemployment.
Look we may need to go to the grocery and other things, but really noone needs anyone to do their nails or a tattoo, if you really have to you can buy a bottle of nail polish at the drug store.
Sure, boxed in as we are, the choices are bad any way you look at it, it's economic pain or viral deaths and probably BOTH in the end, because we have no safety net, and we have no economic plan, but also primarily because we have no real pandemic response, so everything is bad and going to continue to be so, in this purgatory of endless covid, because other countries actually have a real downward slope and we have a plateau at a pretty high level. So then whatever, my duty as I see it is merely not to spread it to the extent I am humanly able (yes of course I hope not to catch it).
Trees don't grow on money
I agree that some things are worse than death but my family doesn’t agree. My plan is to stay home and hope they don’t notice if things get to bad. My dad was a lesson in that. My kids saw that and I don’t understand why they think that.
+1000. No one is really going to miss all those brown people working at meat packing plants where the covid is infecting almost everyone... /snark
It's fascinating to see how the republicans have gone from being the party of life that was worried about death panels to the ugly "they were going to die soon so it's not a big deal" party that they have become. Of course no one expected them to so quickly abandon fiscal responsibility, but just a couple of years ago they did just that so why should we be surprised that now they have abandoned their pro-life stance. The only good thing out of all of this awfulness is that average people aren't impressed with the pathetic republican fake platitudes. Poll numbers from pretty much every poll show Biden winning by a staggering amount unless the republican efforts at voter suppression and deceit are successful.
At the reopened businesses I have frequented in two states returning to work is optional. (I have asked.) Many places have reduced hours due to reduced staff. Some states let you continue to collect unemployment if recalled to work and you cannot return. I support this.
You are making the assumption that it's okay to have a two tiered system where if you are essential you have to go to work, sucks to be you, but if you aren't you get to stay home and get paid. This is especially unfair to many poorly paid front line workers making less than they could be if they were laid off and collecting $600 plus unemployment plus whatever they make working off the books. It hits minority workers harder, as most of those allowed to work from home are more affluent and more likely to be white. Keep defending the current inequitable system and accusing people who question it of wanting death panels if it makes you feel morally superior, but you're not.
absolutely. One of the essential businesses per Trump to keep the factory processed cheap burgers flowing to Mickey D’s. In Minnesota one of my siblings lived and worked near some meatpacking plants. They would occasionally have raids and round up illegal immigrants. Who of course have no access to the routine health care citizens do so are higher risk individuals to start with. Stopping in a grocery store or getting gas exposes everyone else. Same in Delaware per another friend. Being low paid, they also were prone to live in multi family housing. Obviously living in a detached house with even a small yard substantially isolated you from breathing a sick persons air in your neighborhood, or touching a surface they touched. NYC is the perfect horrendous example of that. .
so it’s a gigantic mess with no real solutions now that the horse is out of the barn without any attempt to close the door. We had no early testing and contract tracing. Imagine how Tulsa feels about to be invaded by screaming hoards with no face masks packed cheek to cheek from all over. 19,000 plus all the workers. Plus all the outside people. So many no choice in the matter workers may be going to the slaughter as they police, feed, provide security and house the rally goers. Who will then return home to their families.
In MA, we are following CDC guidelines with a phased re-opening as the improved metrics allow, and our numbers continue to move in the right direction. The states that re-opened everything all at once with no regard for guidelines or metrics are seeing surges in their numbers. I'm glad to be living in MA and more than happy to eat at home and do my own nails.
Rosa you may be fine not going to these businesses, but many of them would prefer to open. Some will have to permanently close, wiping out the lifetime savings people invested in them. Something like a third of restaurants may never recover. The jobs in them will not come back.
As you are retired I am assuming you are over 60 so I am glad you are being cautious. You should feel under no obligation to go to businesses, but others should be free to do so.
Small local businesses are being disproportionately hurt. A future in which most new jobs are as delivery drivers for Amazon is not rosy.
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