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Even if Bachmann and Perry don't get the nomination, I think they do much to shift the center to the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by loosechickens
I remember not long ago when Hillary Clinton was running she was accused of being nothing more than a back door to Bill getting back into the White House. And I don't think anyone could construe "submissive" out of that relationship.
One reason why Bachman might be considered a viable candidate other than the fiction that the far right controls the Republican party is that she is a polished speaker with convictions about the national debt. Last time I looked that debt thing was pretty important in the polls.
I was impressed with her performance in Ames. Pawlenty, who claims to be more to the right on abortion than any one on the stage that night, was unimpressive.
They asked her the "submissive" question at the debate and she explained it as having respect for her spouse, just as he has respect for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartana
I personally am not making a big deal out of that. There are other issues of conservative social politics that I don't like, but the politics of personal attack aren't interesting to me although the mainstream media does love them. Also she looked really good on stage, a tad less pretty than Sarah Palin but much better looking than Tina Brown's image of a crazed one would have you believe.
Really, I should read all responses before I post. You will notice that I posted practically the same thing. haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan
Isn't that an interesting aspect of the media and political discourse these days? I think the lengths that publications and private individuals go to in order to make someone appear unreasonable, offensive or odd is telling. Not so much for the candidate, but for their commenters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iris lily
It's what sells. At the end of the day, the only reason they are there is to make money.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan
And sometimes, persons simply ARE unreasonable, offensive and odd, and all the media has to do is run up video after video of them hanging themselves with their very own words and positions on issues over a period of years. And the media will find riches in their archives of speeches and comments by Michelle Bachmann that will offend and horrify most mainstream Americans.
She may attempt artful pivots about submissive wives, but the record of her thoughts on those matters contains lots of "submissive" comments and only VERY recently, it morphed into "respect".
It's been said that Michelle Bachmann is Sarah Palin if Sarah Palin were articulate, and undeniably Ms. Bachmann has done very well in the debates, etc. As I remember, Allen Keyes was WONDERFUL in the debates, but it didn't mean that he wasn't something of a nutcase, and Michelle Bachmann's ability to be articulate doesn't mean that what she believes is anything that any but a small percentage of Americans would find attactive once she is examined carefully. Which a Presidential campaign leaves lots of opportunity to do.
Look, if you conservatives want her or Rick Perry, go for it. Personally, if you want to beat President Obama, you need a lot more gravitas and ability than either of them possess. I would fear several other candidates as competition for President Obama far more, myself.
Ah, from Fox News to the Dogs ears..........
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/...-gop-out-step/
hmmmm......this, from the Huffington Post. Significant not for what Michelle Bachmann's husband said, but for what he DIDN'T say......I think I rest my case......... (plus, it's time to head for the pool for evening swim...g'nite)
"AMES, IOWA -- Marcus Bachmann, standing off to the side of the stage a few minutes before his wife spoke, told The Huffington Post he was optimistic about her chances in the poll.
"I appreciate the weather cooperating," he said, referring to the gorgeous, mid-80's day.
HuffPost asked him if he thought it was appropriate and fair for a question to be asked of his wife in the debate Thursday night about whether she would be "submissive" to him, her husband, if she were president.
"The answer was brilliant," he said.
I asked him again.
"They need to focus on what's important in this country," Marcus Bachmann said, pointing to jobs and the economy as the topics that should take priority. "It's unfortunate that they focus on things that are not as important."
o.k. I really AM headed for the pool....just couldn't resist this.......much closer to my own take on whether wives should be submissive...... ;-)
Husband reads a book : "You are the man of your house"! So he storms to his wife and announces- "From now on you need to know I'm the man of the house. My word is LAW. You WILL cook & clean for me.You WILL go upstairs & give me the kind of sex I want. After, you WILL draw me a bath wash my back & massage my feet. Oh, & guess who's going to dress me & comb my hair in the morning?.." The wife replied, "A freaking funeral director would be my 1st guess!"
g'nite......