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I generally don't have disinfectant on hand, and I was low on isopropyl alcohol. Now my first aid supply is topped up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I could still use some stuff (hey--is that all the garlic I have?), so will probably make a couple more trips before I'm ready to lock myself away.
HIV - Africa - eating monkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Ebola - Africa - eating bush meat
1918 flu - pig farms brought this to the US
Swine flu - from Mexico
SARS, Hong Kong flu, Coronavirus - Chinese meat markets
Frugal-one, what are comparable viral pandemics that originated in India?
From the World Health Organization:
"Viruses that have caused past pandemics typically originated from animal influenza viruses."
https://www.who.int/csr/disease/swin...s/pandemic/en/
I was wondering........has the business at chinese restaurants gone down? We used to go to a local one occasionally, but have been going elsewhere. Maybe it's ignorant of us, but most of the chinese that work there don't speak English (although their food is great!), but how can we know who has traveled where in the recent past? And it appears that there can even be carriers of the virus. I feel bad, 'cause the people in this local restaurant are really hard workers. And the price is right.
What would you do??
Well, we just lost a whole fire station out-of-service here in WA because of it.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/two...n2E8xdop8AlllM
Yes, fearful people often lapse into bigoted behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by CathyA
The Chinese restaurants as well as the Asian markets are struggling. When talking with a friend last week they were considering going to being open weekends only. She also admitted that it is mostly the Asian community not eating or shopping at Asian businesses. She is Vietnamese and her husband is Chinese. Her parents own a Chinese restaurant and her brother owns a Sushi shop.
We went to PF Chang’s for lunch Saturday and not many customers but that’s not even real Chinese food and the workers aren’t Chinese. Maybe just a coincidence but it seemed odd.
these type of things can really be disruptive. Each firefighter has family and other contacts they may have exposed. The economy will continue to be rattled as more flights are cancelled, people don’t take cruises or go to restaurants. The Louvre even shut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Social distancing, good handwashing are our best defenses. Be alert and aware everyone.
Just a handful of cases popping up can shut down a considerable portion of hospitals/emergency rooms/fire stations/clinics/dr's-offices in the state, alas. When we did the Ebola thing, the key was managing the emerging cases so nobody just randomly walked into a critical facility and caused it to have to shut down for decontamination or quarantine.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
This of why I am so happy that Pence is telling us how to do things now, instead of us using the previous tested playbook.
I am unlikely to use my Ebola suit and do the patient monitoring/transport for this new threat, because, well, the system seems to be broken now. It was working OK until quite recently. #MAGA
I have heard that this is the case even here. I did go to my favorite Asian supermarket today to stock up on some things I'd want in the house if we're there for a while and it was as full as I expected it to be. In fact, I was surprised at how many customers there today were not of Asian descent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplemind
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Originally Posted by Yppej
The way I took your previous post was every illness (or most) could be contained by eating vegetarian.
I took it as a moral case for vegetarianism. I'm often persuaded by the case .... up to a point. But I have reactions to eggs and can't seem to take them in more than extremely moderate amounts. And though it's not as bad as eggs, I don't do well with dairy beyond a certain point either. And pretty soon I'm forced closer to veganism if I went that route. And I like legumes just fine and they are a regular part of my diet and not something I have any issue with unless my digestive system is very weak (after antibiotics), however I don't actually want to be a vegan. And that's kind of as far as that ever really goes.
I see, especially in China, massive amounts of chemicals being sprayed especially on the roadways. I'm wondering what they use and what effects that will have on one's health? Even if it's "just" 'Clorox', that could be a problem. When clorox breaks down, it becomes more toxic than when it started out (at least according to our local board of health). When the well guys chlorinated our well, and they tell me how much to use the next time, they say plus or minus 8 gallons. The health department says something like a pint, and that when it breaks down in our finger system, it's even more toxic. :(
Anyhow........it must be a real dilemma for these places.....risk from corona virus, versus risk from the chemicals being sprayed.
"The United States has reported a second death from the Coronavirus amid fears the virus has spread undetected in the Seattle suburbs for weeks."--New York Times
This is strangely comforting--that it's been lurking nearby all this time. I wonder how many people just thought they had the usual winter infections.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/h...c-9a0cbb9be372Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
At this point it's just gaslighting, saying everything is going wonderful with corona virus response, making people doubt their sanity in perfectly credible news reports from credible sources. Look in this age there is a lot of misinformation floating around about everything under the sun, so one's hold on reality is easy to doubt (am i really sure? it's this just some lie someone passed on from a twitter thread or something? where did I learn this?). But come on.
Test kit folly:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...y-soon-improve
"But there’s widespread discontent with the way the system has worked. “The U.S. government has not appropriately prioritized diagnostic tests and supported the laboratory response network to the degree they should have been supported over the years,” says Luciana Borio, who in previous jobs had lead roles in responding to emerging threats at the National Security Council and FDA.
If a new disease emerges, CDC normally “gets the ball rolling” with diagnostics because it has the expertise and the biosafety laboratories to handle dangerous novel pathogens, says Borio, who now works for In-Q-Tel, a not-for-profit venture capital firm. Typically, there are few confirmed viral samples from patients at the outset, which researchers need to validate their tests, and CDC has the capability to grow the virus for this critical quality assurance step. Once the agency has a working test, that goes out to state labs. Then, in a third phase, commercial labs take over and either produce their own tests or scale-up the CDC one. “I would have hoped to see that third phase by now,” Borio says."
Infuriating.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
The only people I hear saying "Never mind the man behind the curtain" are the liar in the White House and his hired toadies. The career folks in government and public-health folks whose job it is to use science and evidence to understand our world are saying this already is far worse than "very very minor" and likely will get more widespread before it somehow is kept under control.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
I'm one for considering the source. Some appointed suit who does not believe in science telling me "things are o-tay" is not getting a pass from me.
With the exception of a few items, we are ready for whatever we can do to flatten the curve of the spread of COVID-19. A visit to a few stores here showed pretty normal stock levels of everything, though one friend of ours posted that Costco was a madhouse on Sunday and someone posted pictures of bare shelves at a local Target that was featuring a very good sale on paper products.
The only thing I'd like to do now is maybe to buy some stock in Amazon and services like Shipt. I suspect delivery services like those going to get really busy if/when this illness breaks out big(ly).
from Fox News a quote from a Republican Governor in a red stateQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
as of this weekend we had no testing kits.
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/st...or-coronavirus
Trump declares rallies are safe. Since we have no idea what our outbreak status is large gatherings may or may not be.
https://www.localsyr.com/news/politi...virus-anxiety/
in the real world, the Louvre has shut down. Italian soccer team played in an empty stadium to avoid crowds
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/footb...ntl/index.html
we have no idea how many cases we have due to lack of test kits. Physicians had to call the CDC to obtain one and justify why they wanted to test.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/coro...st-people.html
Mike Pence, the head of the outbreak team is a lawyer, not a physician or infectious disease specialist.
We have asomething like 30 million people uninsured in the US despite ten years of republicans saying they would repeal and replace the ACA. Trump said he had a plan that would cover more people, be better and cheaper. Uninsured people are less likely to visit a physician which could lead to more spread.
Our response has been inadequate and poorly run. Trump says a vaccine is around the corner, experts Say it could be a year away.
Our number one one priority should be to determining be where we stand with number of cases. Protect our health care professionals or we are really going to be in trouble. Have daily unedited honest updates by the CDC.
Flowerseverywhere, I feel the same way. Here is another article with some info on the CDC issues: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...zcvOF82x67ykzw
Supplies of astragulus tincture (an herbal immune booster) seem to be already running low though I did manage to find a 2 ounce bottle. To date, oil of oregano and echinacea with goldenseal is not hard to find. I have seen prepper buying here in Phoenix but shelves are mostly all stocked to date and I have yet to see panic buying.
I'm not sure how US border communities are faring. Rob
Flowerseverywhere may have some points, but I suspect some of the problems maybe at the CDC administrative level and would have persisted with any president. I think the basic problem is that we can expect the president to deceive the people to protect the economy, he lacks good communication skills, and he's appointed a scientific moron who has hinted at not believing in evolution to be in charge. Everything else follows.
Competent leadership could go further than deception when it comes to reducing over reactions and offering realistic expectations.
We now think there have been many cases for several weeks throughout the USA and we are only recognizing it now because most cases are not serious enough to be diagnosed. This would happen under any administration. It’s just frustrating to watch our president make up his own facts about this, but that is not a new behavior for him.
Right, it's apparent the cases have been out there. So closing schools etc. feels a lot like closing the barn door after the horse is out. But Tammy, I guess that is what my earlier question was about--how does it help to close schools etc and limit travel etc.--how does that affect the spread of disease once it's out there, and is it effective, and do you think that is what is coming--people being forced to stay at home, the way they are in China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
My remedies of choice (for any respiratory concern) are saline lavages, zinc, and vitamin C. I've added elderberry syrup. Amazon still has zinc (pills and lozenges),and nasal spray (which I've bought gallons of), and elderberry syrup--which I'm too lazy to make at this point. One of the doctors giving advice yesterday mentioned using zinc lozenges and lying down, if necessary, to let them dissolve slowly near the back of your throat. You can make your own nasal solution:Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
https://blogs.bcm.edu/2014/08/20/sal...llergy-relief/
The boiled or distilled water part is important.
ETA: Trial of saline solution against microbes--https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37703-3#Abs1
In the intervention arm, duration of illness was lower by 1.9 days (p = 0.01), over-the-counter medications (OTCM) use by 36% (p = 0.004), transmission within household contacts by 35% (p = 0.006) and viral shedding by ≥0.5 log10/day (p = 0.04). We hence need a larger trial to confirm our findings.
A health care worker in placerville has it which is only a few hours away. My sister in Chicago said the home show was canceled which meant that they lost the revenue from 47000 hotel rooms plus food, etc.
My company has now banned all non-essential domestic airline travel, as well.
HR in each country (we’ve got offices across the globe) has been asked to put together a plan if people are unable to make it to the office. IT has so far refused to install the bit of remote desktop software needed to access industry software on non-company owner computers. We’ve asked. So they would have to issue laptops to everyone in order for us to work from home. Currently only supervisors on up have a laptop that can be taken home.
Anecdotal reports out of Seattle indicate it's impossible to get tested unless you meet narrow, clearly outdated, criteria. There is a maze of contact numbers, each one telling you to call another. chaos rules. I've read that Vietnam has it contained, with no new cases.
I could walk to the nursing home in Kirkland, probably. If I could walk.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
The fire station is even closer, a couple of miles.
We have 6 cases now in my area and for the first time I'm feeling a bit apprehensive about going to the store for some stuff I forgot. I'm also bummed because I'd found a great Mexican restaurant nearby and now I'm hesitant to eat out.
We are going to a big event with dinner for 300 that’s already paid for plus my husband will be setting up the event with others.
The last two cases in the Chicago area are in the next town over.
Does the Mexican place deliver?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geila
I think I'll invest in a beekeeper's outfit. Or hazmat gear.
I'm only half-kidding.
And coworkers coming in sick to work again. It's a CULTURE (everywhere I ever worked), people are sick, people come in anyway (and I've taken sick sick days but so many don't, and no I have never gotten in trouble for that but never had to take sick days when on contract though). A few pathetic measly sick days won't change it, it's a culture. On the other hand work is "urgent" and I need help from coworker so. Laptops to work at home? Nah too much $, never gonna happen. True supposedly no cases reported here, but I'm not so sure about that ... but it's not a hot spot yet ...
They'd probably be out of them, Jane....you can't buy hand sanitizer anywhere in Clark County today.
Be well Jane!
I agree. America's culture of work uber alles is toxic, evil, and both soul and people destroying. One perk if the coronavirus does kick America's rear end? Potentially a reset of society including less emphasis upon work. This is one reason I love YMOYL.....the passages about work being strictly about money and the very sane advice to take no identity whatsover from what you do for money. I can't change this unacceptable culture in America surrounding work.....but I can minimize how much I participate in it/buy into it. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore