The memes about the absurd ‘pets being eaten’ claim by weirdo trump are writing themselves. My personal favorite is the one that looks like the Gadsden's flag except with a kitten saying ‘don’t snack on me’
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The memes about the absurd ‘pets being eaten’ claim by weirdo trump are writing themselves. My personal favorite is the one that looks like the Gadsden's flag except with a kitten saying ‘don’t snack on me’
All of the reports I'm seeing say that Harris had a much better debate performance and Trump espoused his usual numerous falsehoods and was mostly on the defense ("they're eating dogs" could become famous). I've got to hand it to David Muir for calling him out on a few things. It probably won't be long before the polls make their guesses as to whether it changed any voter's minds.
What about the forces in Syria, Iraq or the Red Sea?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I’m hearing Kamala is willing to do another debate but Orange Man isn’t.
In the words of Gomer Pyle, "Surprise, surprise."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
These, as well as Libya and Yemen are designated as war zones by DOD. We have troops in all of those zones and actually had troops killed or injured in several of them as recently as this year. You'd think she would know that, or if not the moderators would have fact-checked her. Weird!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
The NYT in their list of fact checks says it "needs context". It is a bit misleading, but hardly stands up to Don's multiple bizarre fabrications. It's something I've heard Biden claim and the moderators or Don could have be prepared and caught it. What is true is that no US troops are in an all-out war like the ones in Iraq or Afghanistan. It get sketchy after that. NPR called it technically true.
I’m sure that will come as a great comfort to the people taking fire. We can just refer them to NPR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Trump certainly beclowned himself several times, allowing himself to be baited into incoherence. Harris didn’t turn in a very impressive performance either, but had the benefit of low expectations and friendly moderation. I don’t think i learned anything new about either candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I imagine Hannity has a different take than NPR. I suspect we have troops in many countries around the world. I suppose the "needs context" term relates to combat troops actively engaged in fighting, rather than a defensive or advisory purpose, but it is semantics. There were actually a number of Harris claims that were rather shady. Unlike the eating dogs, or the worst inflation ever in our history, or Harris supports legal abortions into the 7th month or later even after birth, or millions and millions of people are pouring into our country monthly. Which were outright bizarre fabrications.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
The election will not be to pick the perfect politician, only the better of the two. Harris plays the political game of wordsmithing, Donald just makes stuff up. Drudge says this is the end for Trump.
That may all be true. But if she’s elected, Harris should arrange some remedial training with the DoD on the definition of “war zone”. It might reduce her level of obfuscation (I mean “wordsmithing”).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
And maybe it will be a scientific breakthrough to figure out how you can have an abortion after birth. Or the new Haitian best seller, "How to Wok Your Dog". It’s all relative.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
As Donald Rumsfeld might say "You go to the polls with the candidate you have, not the candidate you might want or wish to have at a later time."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
And given that 63% of people in the CNN post-debate poll think Harris clearly won (assuming that the core Maga base aren't likely to admit that then pretty much everyone who isn't in that group thgought she won), and Harris brought in a remarkable $21m on ActBlue in post debate fundraising I'd say the democrats have about as strong of a candidate to beat trump as is possible.
The thing that most fascinates me at this point is that the people who identify as republican but hate trump seem bitterly angry that the democrats didn't serve up a candidate that they would consider perfect in every way. As if it was our job to find them a candidate they found acceptable after their party failed them so completely. Our job was to find a candidate that could beat that pathetic dude that believes every absurd thing he saw on tv last night as he was rage "socialing". Not to help the disaffected republicans find an alternative to the loser their party's base voters adore. Maybe those disaffected republicans need to grow the eff up and take back their party instead of whining as much as sad sack trump does. Presenting themselves as the party of whiny moaners isn't a good look for anyone in the republican party.
It WAS your damned job to appoint a candidate who was not incapacitated by old age. Ya’ll went to the precipice with Biden and would have continued on with him if he had not agreed to a debate. His hubris is huge. Your party’s ability to deceive with the message “old Joe is perfectly fine” exceeds even his delusion. I feel duped and lied to, and I was considering voting for him before his astonishing debate performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
As for picking a candidate I would like, I said often “anyone but Biden who isnt ancient.” Ok, we now have a shiny new one in Kamala. That’s fine. I purposely am not reading much about her, I prefer to maintain the veil of ignorance about her, and I can’t hate the fact that Walz is a midwesterner who looks like everyone’s suburban dad. I am superficial in this regard.
But I likely will not vote for Harris/Walz given her role in deceiving me about the President’s competency. My state will go for Trump anyway.
There are people on the Right who think a vote for Harris would have a purgative effect on the GOP. David French, for one. I tend to think Harris/Walz would be too bitter an emetic to swallow.
I don’t agree with the argument that Harris is a slightly imperfect candidate who represents a sort of good deal on a scratch and dent sale. I think Harris 2.0 is a product of the same people who sold the Biden lie and are trying to sell Project 2025 as a sort of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. They put me in mind of what Bill Buckley said: “I won’t insult your intelligence by implying you believe what you just said”.
I think that in 2025 we are more likely to get the old Harris back than the media construct we’re seeing now. I’m more worried about the long term damage she would do than the chaos Trump might create.
So my plan is to vote for Chase Oliver for president and Republican down-ticket. And I will hope for four years of gridlock.
Even though I support Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders, as I've said elsewhere, I am not in favor of some of the government handouts being touted these days, like down payments for home buyers and student loan forgiveness--(although I kind of support that because of their usurious loan structures--I consider partial forgiveness to be relief from the crazy interest Sallie and Freddie charged in the past.
To me, there are systemic flaws at this point that need to be fixed in order eliminate the need for handouts to make people feel they are living prosperously. Some of these handouts are unsustainable band-aids. That is my problem with Kamala's "opportunity economy." I think the biggest systemic flaw is the wealth inequality gap that has decimated the middle class but that's a whole other topic.
LDAHL, believe it or not, I think Chase Oliver seems reasonable for people who really can't find themselves voting for either candidate.
Rolling Stone says about Chase:
“He wants you to be able to get an abortion and buy a rocket launcher.”
haha, sign me up!
To be perfectly fair, you can buy a rocket launcher right now, in most states.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
The ammunition though, that requires a bit of pain-in-the-ass paperwork and an expensive BATF/NFA tax stamp for each round, so it's not a hobby for the middle class. Umm, I've heard.
Maybe he would make that ammo process simpler. Sign me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
It would certainly reduce the yearly operational cost of my yacht.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
It looks like Don has declined a third debate on the basis that two successful debates should be enough. The poll of the day shows Harris got a pretty good bump after the debate.
My Trump/Harris moment in the debate was when Muir asked about climate change. Kamala gave a well thought out presentation of recounting recent weather extremes and disasters and how getting insurance in some areas was getting grossly expensive or impossible due to a changing climate. Then how Biden's build back better plan had created thousands of manufacturing jobs while at the same time encouraging a green energy economy. She acknowledged the need for diverse energy sources and seemed to have backed off the no fracking issues. And that she's been endorsed by the United Auto Workers Union. (I suppose all could be fact checked)
When it was Donald's turn he said there were actually 10,000 manufacturing jobs lost under Biden and went on a rant about how China is destroying our country and that was basically it. No mention of climate change one way or another. (Not too un similar to his mystery vulgarities about the Ukraine war).
But maybe the pet comment was the best.
Then don’t bitch if trump and his ilk wins and we have a world like Orban or his other authoritarian buddies maintain!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Hysterical rants to the contrary, I don’t believe either a Trump or Harris victory will signal the end of the Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I’m fascinated at this perspective. Although I don’t especially care since you live in a blood red state where old cat ladies are judged accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I am curious though, were you as concerned and angry about Reagan as his brain failed? And how Nancy protected him through the end of his presidency?
As someone doing money management for decades, I find the chances that a Trump victory will cause serious disruptions to be non-zero, and reaching to the level of significance, and as I have mentioned previously, have already deployed the assets under management to account for this chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I do not have similar concerns with Harris.
If I'm wrong, I'll lose a little upside. If I'm right, I'll avoid a serious downside.
I am so proud of Kamala Harris. She mopped the kitchen floor with Trump's sorry behind. It was so gratifying to see her take aim and reduce DJT to the foolish flailing train wreck his is. Perhaps there is hope to kick the can down the road for another four free of Authoritarian Dictatorship, giving us all time to devise escape plans - the issues that allowed DJT to rise to power have not been addressed and are going nowhere. This problem severely reduces the long term viability of this citizenship - but if Harris wins there's four years to devise escape plans. Let's hope for a Harris win. Rob
how is your escape plan coming? When is launch day?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I was wondering that as well. I've been reading about the escape goal for the past 15 years or so but don't recall any solid updates mentioned. Bring us up to speed Rob, we're curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
We are thinking interestingly enough of Peru and also Chile. Argentina is interesting in that it's only two years to citizenship and a passport but there are many issues that need to be sorted out there. Mexico is probably the easiest bet. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
What an ugly, hateful man JD Vance is. Spreading ugly stories about immigrants that he knows to be false is simply dispicable.
Today on CNN's "State of the Union." he said "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."
As a person of Jewish descent, both of them continuing to double-down on this abhorrent lie chills me to the bone. What's next, a 21st century Kristallnacht? I have this disquiting fear (hopefully unfounded) that homes and business will get destroyed and people will end up getting killed if this continues.
Then I read on CNBC that "The Trump campaign is organizing a visit to Springfield, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News on Sunday. Former GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, now a surrogate for the Trump campaign, also announced Sunday that he would host a town hall in Springfield on Thursday." Along with the white supremicist gangs that have been perpetuating this crap as well, what could possibly go wrong?"
Care to clarify how you have deployed the assets under management?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Yes. I didn't want to post it as I am no stranger to controversy on this board.....but I am afraid of this turning into a Kristallnacht situation myself. These over the top BS lies to me are the most offensive words out of his mouth yet. I just wish he'd go away RobQuote:
Originally Posted by SiouzQ.
I spend a fair amount of time in Springfield. I am not afraid of the Haitians - indeed, they are the least of my worries. I am becoming much more leery of white men in general. And that's a damn shame, because MOST OF THEM ARE FINE! But even if the Haitians WERE doing anything to "cats and dogs" which from all realistic accounts they are not - how would that justify the bomb threats? Schools and public buildings are closed. Colleges are online for classes. This is insane! What is WRONG with people?? And don't start with the "but the left..." NO. Just NO. I am so sick of this BS.
As a purported Christian, JD Vance should be sorely ashamed of what he is doing - he sickens me. The more I hear from him, the more I doubt that he wrote any part of "his" best-seller. Or maybe Kennedy's brain-worm has reproduced??
Yes, the bomb threats and stuff are just so over the top.
I can imagine telling children that not only is it ok to lie in order to get your way, but it may get you to be Vice President or even President some day.Quote:
Originally Posted by early morning
Teach your children well...
Just to add to this, I don't believe everyone is entitled to loan forgiveness or home ownership because those are choices. You can go to an expensive college, or not. Living in a rental is not going to significantly compromise your quality of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
However, I do believe that because poor health for the most part is "unearned," universal healthcare is an entitlement I can support. Not just for those of us who unfortunately have to access healthcare and endure the costs, but because we all suffer from a truly dysfunctional system. Here is an article in MedPage Today that highlights the sorry state of the "greatest nation in the world" falling behind 9 other countries in quality of healthcare.
Conclusion: The U.S. continues to be in a class by itself in the underperformance of its health care sector. While the other nine countries differ in the details of their systems and in their performance on domains, unlike the U.S., they all have found a way to meet their residents’ most basic health care needs, including universal coverage.
okay----The Media is fine with Bomb Threats. It gives them more NEWS to report about how DANGEROUS those right-wingers really are. But you know what? I would not be surprised if the anonymous threats were made by deranged left-wing fanatics under the guise of being right-wingers, so The Media can report it as such! See how that works? Right now, even the most smug demmmacrats are jittery and wound very tight, because it doesn't look good for Harris. It won't be a slam-dunk, like dey say in bassabaw. I've seen definite signs of this in my test group---dems i'm on semi-good terms with. normally jovial, now nervous & moody. See? But yeah-- Be careful around them. yup. They may swat you.
It looks like CBS will be offering some sort of real time fact checking for the VP debate. The story I got is that during the debate they will display a QR code you can scan and it will then show fact check comments from their 20 political experts. Probably a little overdone on the immediacy of things, but a novel idea.