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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I imagine Hannity has a different take than NPR. I suspect we have troops in many countries around the world. I suppose the "needs context" term relates to combat troops actively engaged in fighting, rather than a defensive or advisory purpose, but it is semantics. There were actually a number of Harris claims that were rather shady. Unlike the eating dogs, or the worst inflation ever in our history, or Harris supports legal abortions into the 7th month or later even after birth, or millions and millions of people are pouring into our country monthly. Which were outright bizarre fabrications.

    The election will not be to pick the perfect politician, only the better of the two. Harris plays the political game of wordsmithing, Donald just makes stuff up. Drudge says this is the end for Trump.
    That may all be true. But if she’s elected, Harris should arrange some remedial training with the DoD on the definition of “war zone”. It might reduce her level of obfuscation (I mean “wordsmithing”).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    That may all be true. But if she’s elected, Harris should arrange some remedial training with the DoD on the definition of “war zone”. It might reduce her level of obfuscation (I mean “wordsmithing”).
    And maybe it will be a scientific breakthrough to figure out how you can have an abortion after birth. Or the new Haitian best seller, "How to Wok Your Dog". It’s all relative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post

    The election will not be to pick the perfect politician, only the better of the two. Harris plays the political game of wordsmithing, Donald just makes stuff up. Drudge says this is the end for Trump.
    As Donald Rumsfeld might say "You go to the polls with the candidate you have, not the candidate you might want or wish to have at a later time."

    And given that 63% of people in the CNN post-debate poll think Harris clearly won (assuming that the core Maga base aren't likely to admit that then pretty much everyone who isn't in that group thgought she won), and Harris brought in a remarkable $21m on ActBlue in post debate fundraising I'd say the democrats have about as strong of a candidate to beat trump as is possible.

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    The thing that most fascinates me at this point is that the people who identify as republican but hate trump seem bitterly angry that the democrats didn't serve up a candidate that they would consider perfect in every way. As if it was our job to find them a candidate they found acceptable after their party failed them so completely. Our job was to find a candidate that could beat that pathetic dude that believes every absurd thing he saw on tv last night as he was rage "socialing". Not to help the disaffected republicans find an alternative to the loser their party's base voters adore. Maybe those disaffected republicans need to grow the eff up and take back their party instead of whining as much as sad sack trump does. Presenting themselves as the party of whiny moaners isn't a good look for anyone in the republican party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    The thing that most fascinates me at this point is that the people who identify as republican but hate trump seem bitterly angry that the democrats didn't serve up a candidate that they would consider perfect in every way. As if it was our job..
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    It WAS your damned job to appoint a candidate who was not incapacitated by old age. Ya’ll went to the precipice with Biden and would have continued on with him if he had not agreed to a debate. His hubris is huge. Your party’s ability to deceive with the message “old Joe is perfectly fine” exceeds even his delusion. I feel duped and lied to, and I was considering voting for him before his astonishing debate performance.

    As for picking a candidate I would like, I said often “anyone but Biden who isnt ancient.” Ok, we now have a shiny new one in Kamala. That’s fine. I purposely am not reading much about her, I prefer to maintain the veil of ignorance about her, and I can’t hate the fact that Walz is a midwesterner who looks like everyone’s suburban dad. I am superficial in this regard.

    But I likely will not vote for Harris/Walz given her role in deceiving me about the President’s competency. My state will go for Trump anyway.
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    There are people on the Right who think a vote for Harris would have a purgative effect on the GOP. David French, for one. I tend to think Harris/Walz would be too bitter an emetic to swallow.

    I don’t agree with the argument that Harris is a slightly imperfect candidate who represents a sort of good deal on a scratch and dent sale. I think Harris 2.0 is a product of the same people who sold the Biden lie and are trying to sell Project 2025 as a sort of “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. They put me in mind of what Bill Buckley said: “I won’t insult your intelligence by implying you believe what you just said”.

    I think that in 2025 we are more likely to get the old Harris back than the media construct we’re seeing now. I’m more worried about the long term damage she would do than the chaos Trump might create.

    So my plan is to vote for Chase Oliver for president and Republican down-ticket. And I will hope for four years of gridlock.

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    Even though I support Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders, as I've said elsewhere, I am not in favor of some of the government handouts being touted these days, like down payments for home buyers and student loan forgiveness--(although I kind of support that because of their usurious loan structures--I consider partial forgiveness to be relief from the crazy interest Sallie and Freddie charged in the past.

    To me, there are systemic flaws at this point that need to be fixed in order eliminate the need for handouts to make people feel they are living prosperously. Some of these handouts are unsustainable band-aids. That is my problem with Kamala's "opportunity economy." I think the biggest systemic flaw is the wealth inequality gap that has decimated the middle class but that's a whole other topic.

    LDAHL, believe it or not, I think Chase Oliver seems reasonable for people who really can't find themselves voting for either candidate.
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    Rolling Stone says about Chase:

    “He wants you to be able to get an abortion and buy a rocket launcher.”

    haha, sign me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Rolling Stone says about Chase:

    “He wants you to be able to get an abortion and buy a rocket launcher.”

    haha, sign me up!
    To be perfectly fair, you can buy a rocket launcher right now, in most states.

    The ammunition though, that requires a bit of pain-in-the-ass paperwork and an expensive BATF/NFA tax stamp for each round, so it's not a hobby for the middle class. Umm, I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    To be perfectly fair, you can buy a rocket launcher right now, in most states.

    The ammunition though, that requires a bit of pain-in-the-ass paperwork and an expensive BATF/NFA tax stamp for each round, so it's not a hobby for the middle class. Umm, I've heard.
    Maybe he would make that ammo process simpler. Sign me up.

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