Watch Tx Rep. Lloyd Doggett warn about the toxic hazard that is Rick Perry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9vC6...mbedded#t=433s
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Watch Tx Rep. Lloyd Doggett warn about the toxic hazard that is Rick Perry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9vC6...mbedded#t=433s
The problem is that Obama is such a weak President that many have a shot. Many warned that he was just an empty suit, and they were correct. It is nice that he has cut taxes more that Bush, except I thought SS was in trouble. But he also is spending more than Bush. And the only jobs he seams to create are government jobs that don't produce anything but reliable votes.
I think many are getting tired of his whining and laying blame on everyone but himself. He needs to grow a pair.
Those are really sad education statistics for TX.
Were they that bad under George W or did they decline under Perry?
Mountain laurel - demographics have a GREAT deal to do with education statistics in Texas...people I talk education with who are from predominantly white or higher socio-economic states do not understand that it is not an apples to apples comparison. I realize we rank near the bottom in spending per student, true, but there are many other factors at play.
I have my own problems with Obama. I have never shyed away from saying it BUT with someone like Perry (and Bush II before him) you are talking right-wing extremism. There is no way around the fact that he hates regulation in every aspect, he has a long history of being in the back pocket of corporations at the expense of Texas citizens, and I think really believes that simply praying will solve most of our problems. A minimum wage job or below will never solve our jobs problem and that is exactly the job growth in Texas that he loves to tout when campaigning.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmc
When we elect extremists bad things happen. No matter what name those that dislike Obama might say, he is by no means an extremist. Perry on the other hand has a clear record of extremism.
I know people like to think that we can cut, cut, cut budget items wily nily and it will have little effect on their lives but that is just not true. We need to cut the fraud from most of our government funded programs to solve the problems and that would include them all including SS, Medicare, and Defense - not the draconian measure that the Tea Party suggest. I do separate the Tea Party from the GOP in that regard but at the present time it seems they are in control.
Any Texan will tell you that you cannot trust Rick Perry - he is all about Rick Perry and his corporate donors.
Our problem is that we have come to trust institutions, business and government, more than ourselves. If something seems wrong it probably is.
Peace
Demographics huh? Are you saying Texans are stupid? That would explain both George Bush and Rick Perry as governors, but I think most Texans would take exception to that description. Maybe the poor investment in education attracts only the poorest teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
Ahh Peggy...excellent display of projectile venom spew....No, I'm not saying Texans are stupid. We serve a very high population of students for whom English is not their first language, students whose parents are illiterate or not educated past a grade school level, etc, etc. This is largely due to the fact that many are first generation Americans. Why? Gee, I don't know...maybe they come to Texas because we have JOBS!!!! Texans are not stupid, au contraire madam, they are quite independent, resilient and hard-working...some just don't have as even a start as others.
Perry looks so good because the rest of the Republican field is so weak. Huntsman seems interesting, but like Romney he is Mormon and doesn't stand a chance with the rabid Christian right.
In every presidential election I would prefer to see each party select the best possible candidate so whoever wins, the country has a better chance. But Rick Perry? He may look the part, but no thanks. I want a president in the WH, not a preacher.
I heard something on tv the other day that made real sense. The Republicans now hate goverment and everything about it so much, that there simply are too few on the right who think politics is an honorable profession, so qualified people seek employment elsewhere. As proof, look at the current GOP crop.
Looking back over recent GOP nominees, McCain (too old + Palin), Bob Dole and Bush-I were relatively mainstream, and before them Reagan. But look who is running now? Ack!!!
Just for you, ZZMan...I like this take from an editor way up here in SW WA State:
http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/a...s-hat-in-ring/
Gov. Goodhair! I miss Molly Ivins.
Projectile venom spew? Wow, you really know how to kill a joke, don't you. I'll bet you are a laugh riot at parties. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
No, some don't have as even a start as others, but isn't that true of every state? Doesn't every state have poverty, illiteracy, and first generation Americans? If you want poverty, go to W. Virginia. And I'm thinking California has more first generation Americans than Texas. So this all still doesn't explain how Texas is so horrible in education. If a dog catcher in Tim Buck Two sneezes you blame Obama for giving him a cold. So, in all fairness I'm going to blame the leadership in Texas. It's that or the teachers.
When I went through school in Texas, the state was known for good schools. So what happened? Republicans George Bush and Rick Perry happened. So you get an ignorant Governor who actually thinks Texas has the right to succeed from the Union. A man who hates government so much he's desperate to run it.:doh:
Its "secede" not "succeed" sorry...this ignorant Texas teacher just had to tell ya
Ha Ha! I type very fast and don't always proof read. My bad. Actually That was one thing I didn't learn in school. How to type. Wasn't required when I went through. Had to teach myself. But one thing EVERY Texas school kid DID learn was Texas history, so the incredible irony of Texas Governor Rick Perry not knowing this most basic info on his own state would be just sad if he wasn't actually running for, and being seriously considered by many for, apparently, the Presidency. That's just scary. Or maybe he was just lying, counting on his audience to be ignorant. But then, I've noticed that the right usually counts on their base to be ignorant cause they say some stupid things and their base just goes along with it (Sarah Palin with Paul Revere and his 'ringing those bells and shooting his guns', or Michelle Bachmann and 'Obama spent 200,000,000 on an overseas trip' or Michelle Bachmann and 'Our founding fathers worked hard until they eliminated slavery' or Michelle Bachmann and...well, you get the drift!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
I think this just shows the blind ideological hatred of many on the right who know this man is ignorant, but would vote for him anyway. Especially teachers who are supposed to be the champions of education. And all because he adds an 'amen' at the end of his speeches.
Do you really think it's better for an elected leader to pray to solve the nations problems rather than actually doing something? I guess Perry hasn't been praying for the educational situation in Texas, or you wouldn't be where you are, right? So, my conclusion is, either praying doesn't work, or Perry doesn't care. Which is it?
I'm curious catwoman, what is it you teach again? Which subject?
There are many things that those living elsewhere might not be aware off - this from the Juanita Jean Blog -
In one terribly weird event in a wildly weirdy term of office, Rick Perry tried to require by executive order that every 12 year old girl in Texas be vaccinated against the human papillomavirus.
http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/up...ge-200x300.jpg
The weird doubled down when it was discovered that Perry had close ties with the sole manufacturer of the vaccine.
Then along came weird with a cherry on top when the rightwing said that vaccinating girls against a sexually transmitted disease would turn them all into nymphomaniac porn stars who have Biblical knowledge of entire front line of the Dallas Cowboys. You now, overnight. Like magic.
Even though the State Lege overrode his decision, Rick Perry always stuck by his coyote-killing guns, claiming that the Lege lacked “gumption.” You know gumption, right? That’s the ability to act right even when you’re wrong.
Up until last week, Perry was defending his decision. But then the moon phases changed, or something, and he got a whole new story in that clean New Hampshire air.“I signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the matter is that I didn’t do my research well enough to understand that we needed to have a substantial conversation with our citizenry,” Perry said at the Manchester, N.H., event in response to an audience question about the HPV controversy, according to ABC News’ The Note. “But here’s what I learned: When you get too far out in front of the parade, they will let you know, and that’s exactly what our Legislature did, and I saluted it and I said, ‘Roger that, I hear you loud and clear.’ And they didn’t want to do it and we don’t, so enough said.”So, today we learn that sticking your butt in someone’s face and calling them names is defined as “saluting.”
The further away from Texas Rick Perry gets, the bigger his lies get.
Peace
Peggy, if you want to talk about someone's base being ignorant and you want to use the examples you used, you might find youself in an awkward position. Try actually looking up Perry's comments on seceding and consider the context, and while you're researching, look up "Powder Alarms" and read about Paul Revere's significance in them. There's more to history than just one poem.Quote:
Originally Posted by peggy
Ya see Peggy, just throwing stuff out there cause you heard it on the Ed Schultz show or read about it on a discussion forum can be kinda embarrassing when you use it to slam someone else, especially if you're trying to make them look stupid.
Oh, and you said "succeed" rather than "secede" in two consecutive posts. That's a pretty consistent "typing error". ;)
Do you really think that a Governor with a brain bigger than a flea would even mention seceding/succeeding from the union? Really? Those kind of comments might play well in a beer joint or maybe a poker game of "Good Ol' Boys".
That is just the tip of the iceberg - wait till the election season is in full swing ;)
God, Please let Perry or any other Tea Bagger candidate be the GOP nominee!!
As Jimmy Fallon says - THANK YOU!!
Peace
"Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.
"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_187490.html
But, didn't Perry ALSO say that when Texas became a state, it was with the unique ability to secede again if they wanted? Which is patently untrue. I'm almost SURE I heard him say that.
Hey, let he and Michelle Bachmann fight it out for the Christian right.....I'll pay more attention to his close connections with the big polluters and big, fat cat money.
Ya know.....I said this in relationship to George W. Bush, so I'll say it again. Much as I dislike Governor Perry and his "cowboy boot, good ole boy" persona, the governorship in Texas is the weakest of the fifty states, and the governor of Texas has far less power than most governors. When Texas became a state (although they DIDN'T get the right to change their mind on demand and secede again, despite Mr. Perry's assertion), the citizens were very wary of some Northern carpetbagger coming down and ending up running their state. So they deliberately made the governor's office as powerless as possible.
So....much as I hate to say it, the blame for most of Texas problems comes from the legislature, and only because Gov. Perry is of the same political persuasion as his legislature has he been able to effect changes he desired in the state. He's not really the person to blame for the fact that Texas schools are abysmal, the poverty is great, most jobs created are minimum wage type jobs and that pretty much the largest percentage of citizens without medical insurance or access to regular health care, of all the states, is right there in Texas.
Texas has ridden the tide of the profits of the oil and gas industry, but other than that, we resemble states like Mississipp and other bottom rated states in most measures of wellbeing of the citizenry. If you want to know what the far right wing would like to see, you need look no further than Texas, with it's lack of regulation of polluters, wide open exploitation of labor, and miserable safety nets for those in need.
Somehow, I don't think that Michelle Bachmann is going to stand up well to close inspection. Perry will do better and has a much larger amount of the "big money" behind him. We shall see what happens.
I saw this today on www.americablog.com and I'm not sure but that it doesn't make a lot of sense to me:
"James Moore is the Texas-knowledgeable and best-selling author of Bush's Brain, the book on Karl Rove.
Here's Moore's latest, in CNN's opinion web-pages. It's a stunner, something to put into your own brain for further consideration (my emphasis):
As a resident of Texas for 36 years, I keep wondering why the rest of the nation pays any attention to our political and cultural absurdities and yet still chooses Texans as presidents. Our most revered historical moment, the Alamo, was arguably a mass suicide. The slaughter in San Antonio was followed by a massacre at Goliad, the fall of the Confederacy to Union forces, and later by the Houston Astros. Texas has a legacy of losing.
None of this apparently matters, though, because America is beginning the process of electing another Texan to be president. ... The big brains gathered east of the Hudson and Potomac Rivers believe that Mitt Romney is the candidate to beat. But they are unable to hear what Rick Perry is saying. The Christian prayer rally in Houston was a very loud proclamation to fundamentalists and Teavangelicals, which said, "I am not a Mormon." The far right and Christian fundamentalists have an inordinate amount of influence in the GOP primary process and, regardless of messages of inclusion, very few of them will vote for a Mormon.
After he wins the nomination, protocol will require Perry to have discussions with Bachmann about the vice presidential slot, but he will, eventually, turn to Sarah Palin. The general election will force the Texan back toward the middle and he will stop talking about faith and abortion and gay marriage; Perry will campaign on jobs and the economy.
This may be why Sarah Palin still sorta looks like she's running. Moore goes on to predict a Perry-Palin victory in the Finals. Read why.
Looking at the GOP field, you have to consider this; a credible threat to Romney from the right, and an attack on his Mormonism may be all it takes to win the nomination. There's more than enough Texas rumor that, unlike Bush, Perry really is as close to an unlit bulb as the Republican field can offer, but he's very polished.
If this doesn't sink him, he certainly has as much of a shot as any of them."
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o.k. that's all my internet time for the morning......timer went off two minutes ago......
I think you're right. I believe he did say that when Texas became a state in 1845 it was transitioning from a stand alone nation, the Republic of Texas, and had the right to secede anytime it wanted. As a matter of fact, it did secede, in 1861 I believe, and joined the Confederate States of America, and was not re-admitted to the Union until about 1870.Quote:
Originally Posted by loosechickens
In the 1845 legislation admitting Texas to the United States, it was also granted the unique ability to divide itself into as many as 5 separate states if it so desired, even though the U.S. Constitution specifically forbade it. It certainly shows that the Polk administration granted some rather special privileges to the Republic in order to join it to the Union.
The history of Texas is actually quite interesting for anyone interested in exploring it.
Oh dear...ringing those bells and shooting those guns, cause, you know, the British were coming to disarm everyone...yep, that's what Paul Revere did to warn of the British coming. Boy you sure know your history Alan, you got us there!Quote:
Originally Posted by alan
Gee alan, I wonder how many hours you spent combing my posts looking for spelling errors. I'm surprised you didn't find more, spelling is not my strong suit. Way to keep it classy...
Actually, I didn't 'get' anyone. It's in the historical record and Sarah Palin was correct in her statements. It's just that most Americans are woefully ignorant of many individual aspects of our history and it can sometimes bite em in the butt when they try to denigrate someone who actually does know some of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by peggy
And, I didn't spend any time going through your posts. I simply noticed the errors as I read them the first time and ignored the first until it became an issue. Everybody makes mistakes, it's how they own up to them that counts. :D
A common misconception. It used to be true, but during his governorship, Perry has reinvented the office as a power center. Our state constitution, written the year before Reconstruction ended, created a weak governor’s office (as did most constitutions of the states of the former Confederacy). But Perry has used his appointment power to install political allies in every state agency, effectively establishing a Cabinet form of government and making him vastly more powerful than any of his predecessors. In this regard, the Texas politician he most resembles is LBJ, who once told an assistant, “I do understand power, whatever else may be said about me. I know where to look for it and how to use it.” Rick Perry, to a tee.Quote:
Originally Posted by loosechickens
That is not to say that he does not represent the vast majority of Texans - he is indeed the longest serving Governor in Texas history and there are millions of Texans that think exactly like him. He is totally anti-government and yet has never done anything except work for government - seems a contradiction to me? He is all about ruthless power in a Texan sort of way - remember JR on Dallas? This guy would totally change the US much like Bush II did but in a more draconian way. I hope all of the conservatives are very careful what they wish for.
Peace
Peggy, I teach ESL, special ed, reading, all subjects to primary kids...What do YOU do for a living? You accuse Perry supporters of blind ideological hatred...not so fast, my hatred is neither blind nor fed to me by Rush or anyone else. It is hatred of ideals and government officials who ram them down your throat when the majority of Americans are against them...Your anti-Christian posts bely your hatred and animosity to anyone who professes to believe differently than you do...might want to get the log out of your eye before you go after the speck in mine...
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/pal...n-paul-revere/
http://www.paulreverehouse.org/ride/real.html
and, even though it's a little corny, http://www.earlyamerica.com/paul_revere.htm
Alan, I seriously doubt you have the inside tract on something the rest of us in the nation don't. Maybe that "I'm right and everyone else in the entire world is wrong" may work with Sarah Palin and her tea party 'patriots', but it doesn't pass the smell test out here in the real world.
catwoman, the majority of Americans want health care reform.
The majority of Americans want medicare left alone.
The majority of Americans want SS left alone.
The majority of Americans want the wealthy to pay more taxes.
The majority of Americans want congress to compromise on issues, as in BOTH sides giving up a bit.
I don't know what ideals you are talking about, but the majority of Americans want pretty much the same things I want.
I have nothing against religious people. I do have something against phonies. And Rick Perry is a phony. He is George Bush..without the smarts.
But you see, that's the problem Peggy, you (and at least one of your sources) are trying to tie her comments into the one thing that most people know about Paul Revere, his famous Midnight Ride. But the fact is, Revere did a little more during his lifetime than Longfellow gave him credit for in the poem.
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_Alarm for a little background on the events Palin was talking about.
After the Powder Alarm, militia forces throughout New England were more cautious with their supplies and more intent on gaining information about Gage's plans and troop movements. Paul Revere played a significant role in distributing this information due to his geographical position in Boston, his social position as a middle-class craftsman in contact with all social classes, and his political position as a well-known Patriot propagandist and organizer.[18]
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[edit] The colonists organize
On September 21, 1774, Patriot leaders met in Worcester and urged town meetings to organize a third of the militias into special companies of minutemen in constant readiness to march.[19] They also instituted the system of express riders and alarms that would prove to be critical at Lexington and Concord.[18] In October, the former legislature of Massachusetts met in defiance of the Massachusetts Government Act and declared itself to be the First Provincial Congress. It created a Committee of Safety modeled after a body with the same name during the English Civil War and it recommended that a quarter of the militia be designated as minutemen.[16] Military stores were to be stockpiled away from the coast (more than a convenient day's march), to make attempts to seize them more difficult. The largest stockpiles were located at Concord and Worcester.[20]
[edit] Portsmouth Alarm
Early in December, British military command voted to prohibit the export of arms and powder to North America, and to secure all remaining stores. On December 12, intelligence received by Paul Revere indicated that a seizure of stores at Fort William and Mary in Portsmouth, New Hampshire was imminent. He rode from Boston to Portsmouth the next day to notify the local Patriots, who quickly raided the fort on the 14th and removed its supplies. Revere's intelligence had been incorrect; while a British operation had been contemplated, it had not been ordered. The British did eventually send ships carrying troops to Portsmouth, but they arrived long after the event. The first arrived on the 17th, and was directed into shallows at high tide by a local Patriot pilot, much to the captain's anger.[17]
Stores of gunpowder—typically referred to by Loyalists as "the King's powder" and by Patriots as "the militia's powder"—were also carried off from forts in Newport, Rhode Island, Providence, Rhode Island, and New London, Connecticut and distributed to the militias in towns away from the coast.[21] Cannon and other supplies were smuggled out of Boston and Charlestown.[22]
My apologies to everyone else for helping this thread get off track, but some things just need to be disputed.
Sorry, Peggy, its "inside track" not "inside tract"
Please provide stats/links for your claims about what the majority of Americans want...Also, even if that were true, the manner in which Hussein Obama wants to achieve it is unconstitutional and quite unpopular (as is he currently).
Mods - please note - please check urban dictionary for definition of "teabagger". I have requested this before. It is a filthy designation and I would respectfully ask others in the forum to use the term "teapartier". You can still sneer derisively, it just won't be so graphically offensive.
Teabagger I like that phrase. First time I have seen and I like it.
For your edification Freein05 - like this?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=teabagger
Looks like they didn't know the meaning or maybe it is all just BS? I like meaning #2 from your link - "A whining fool shouting loudly for liberty but not willing to pay the bill."Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...FihjRJK11rvjZA
Peace
Thanks, zigzagman, for the additional information about how Governor Perry has managed to work around the weak governorship in Texas to consolidate power for himself. Very interesting. And since he has the benefit of having most of the legislature in his pocket as well, I can see that happening.
I think he should not be underestimated. He may well not be bright, but often even rather stupid people can be very shrewd, calculating and able to manipulate others. And there is a lot of big Texas money backing Governor Perry.
We shall simply have to wait and see how all this unfolds. Personally, I think there are a lot of surprises left before a GOP candidate will get the nomination. Who knows what will happen?
***MOD HAT ON***
What say everyone stay on the high road here? Sniping and personal bickering tip-toes on the fringe of the forum guidelines, but it can be excruciatingly boring to those not involved who, presumably, come here to discuss political issues. We have a lot riding on this election so it just might be beneficial to direct our scrutiny to the candidates.
Catwoman, I appreciate your stance on the use of "teabaggers", but that has already been addressed from the mod perspective (link below). If that was not satisfactory please feel free to email me and I will assist you in finding other options to continue your efforts.
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/sho...Houston/page27
Palin was talking about his famous ride and you know it! You keep trying to redirect, but everyone and his dog knows what she was talking about. You can quote his entire biography, but she is an ignorant boob who can see Russia from her house and has to write crib notes on her palm.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan
I"m done with this. If you want to deny the truth, that you know, because it doesn't quite jib with Palin's 'truth', well be my guest. Personally I wouldn't want Sarah Palin to trash my credibility, but I guess it's your call.
It's socioeconomic. Not socio-economic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
It's belie, not bely. FYIQuote:
Originally Posted by Catwoman
My goodness.
>8)Quote:
Originally Posted by peggy
Or....."people with whom I discuss education" if we're being picky ;-)
hey.....Iris Lily got me on middle-class.......and for years I thought that the possessive its was its'......and I'm pretty good with spelling and grammar.
We can probably ALL find something to carp about.......but if we're going to carp, probably better to look at our prospective leaders. Interesting piece in the Christian Science monitor today......Governor Perry may be just a little bit TOO used to speaking to the echo chamber of Texas audiences, and may well have to clean up his act a bit to make it on a national level....and quickly.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...er-gaffe-prone
Your right loose, this is getting a bit silly. Even though I already said before I'm not the most careful in typing or spelling, some seem bent on 'putting me in my place' However there is the whole throwing stones in glass houses thing. I learned a long time ago it will almost always turn around and bite you in the butt.
I'm calling a truce.
I think "proven" would have sounded better than "proved" in the first line of the article.
Seriously, thanks for the link LC. In the realm of verbal gaffes I doubt anyone alive could make it through a campaign without compiling a long list of such gaffes. The media will show no restraint in pointing them out to us for the coming 15 months. It would be nice if Mr. Perry, Mr. Obama and all the rest would get a chance to give us their spiel, or shpeel as the case may be, without having to be so cautious of every word. Aside from the campaign trail and some days on these forums we all seem to get a little benefit of the doubt if our words aren't perfect. I can't see how the extreme fault-finding (or faultfinding if you prefer) is going to help us get a better person in office.
I personally am glad that the media will show no restraint, in fact I wish they would be more devoted to showing us the real person instead of waiting for the talking points coming from the different campaigns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregg
Just think about it - we are voting on someone that in most cases we have absolutely no idea about and is by most accounts headed for the most powerful position in the world. Much like RICK PERRY who is quite well known in Texas but arguably a stranger to most of America. Only 4% of Texas Republicans say they'd vote for Perry if he were to make a bid for the Oval Office, a new University of Texas/Texas Tribune poll shows. Now that should make the rest of the country pay attention!
The sad thing for me is that, as you said, most of America is not really interested in the details of the nominees. They would much prefer to make their judgment on their looks, religious attitude, their stand on one of the issues that interests them (guns, gays, abortion, global warming) or even a 15 sec infomercial. Then we get the like of Bush and pay the price for our mistakes. To make matters worse once we make a decision most people, myself included, have a very hard time admitting they made a huge mistake.
No I am glad that we get to hear the gaffs and such. I think it is probably the only insight we have into our candidates that hasn't been vetted and orchestrated by millions of dollar, campaign gurus, and ads. Like the old saying goes - it someone sounds like a idiot then most likely they are.
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