President Perry

[Alan]

Oh dear...ringing those bells and shooting those guns, cause, you know, the British were coming to disarm everyone...yep, that's what Paul Revere did to warn of the British coming. Boy you sure know your history Alan, you got us there!

Gee alan, I wonder how many hours you spent combing my posts looking for spelling errors. I'm surprised you didn't find more, spelling is not my strong suit. Way to keep it classy...

Actually, I didn't 'get' anyone. It's in the historical record and Sarah Palin was correct in her statements. It's just that most Americans are woefully ignorant of many individual aspects of our history and it can sometimes bite em in the butt when they try to denigrate someone who actually does know some of it.

And, I didn't spend any time going through your posts. I simply noticed the errors as I read them the first time and ignored the first until it became an issue. Everybody makes mistakes, it's how they own up to them that counts.

[Zigzagman]

Ya know.....I said this in relationship to George W. Bush, so I'll say it again. Much as I dislike Governor Perry and his "cowboy boot, good ole boy" persona, the governorship in Texas is the weakest of the fifty states, and the governor of Texas has far less power than most governors. When Texas became a state (although they DIDN'T get the right to change their mind on demand and secede again, despite Mr. Perry's assertion), the citizens were very wary of some Northern carpetbagger coming down and ending up running their state. So they deliberately made the governor's office as powerless as possible.

A common misconception. It used to be true, but during his governorship, Perry has reinvented the office as a power center. Our state constitution, written the year before Reconstruction ended, created a weak governor’s office (as did most constitutions of the states of the former Confederacy). But Perry has used his appointment power to install political allies in every state agency, effectively establishing a Cabinet form of government and making him vastly more powerful than any of his predecessors. In this regard, the Texas politician he most resembles is LBJ, who once told an assistant, “I do understand power, whatever else may be said about me. I know where to look for it and how to use it.” Rick Perry, to a tee.

That is not to say that he does not represent the vast majority of Texans - he is indeed the longest serving Governor in Texas history and there are millions of Texans that think exactly like him. He is totally anti-government and yet has never done anything except work for government - seems a contradiction to me? He is all about ruthless power in a Texan sort of way - remember JR on Dallas? This guy would totally change the US much like Bush II did but in a more draconian way. I hope all of the conservatives are very careful what they wish for.

Peace

[Catwoman]

Peggy, I teach ESL, special ed, reading, all subjects to primary kids...What do YOU do for a living? You accuse Perry supporters of blind ideological hatred...not so fast, my hatred is neither blind nor fed to me by Rush or anyone else. It is hatred of ideals and government officials who ram them down your throat when the majority of Americans are against them...Your anti-Christian posts bely your hatred and animosity to anyone who professes to believe differently than you do...might want to get the log out of your eye before you go after the speck in mine...

[peggy]

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/pal...n-paul-revere/

http://www.paulreverehouse.org/ride/real.html

and, even though it's a little corny, http://www.earlyamerica.com/paul_revere.htm

Alan, I seriously doubt you have the inside tract on something the rest of us in the nation don't. Maybe that "I'm right and everyone else in the entire world is wrong" may work with Sarah Palin and her tea party 'patriots', but it doesn't pass the smell test out here in the real world.

catwoman, the majority of Americans want health care reform.
The majority of Americans want medicare left alone.
The majority of Americans want SS left alone.
The majority of Americans want the wealthy to pay more taxes.
The majority of Americans want congress to compromise on issues, as in BOTH sides giving up a bit.
I don't know what ideals you are talking about, but the majority of Americans want pretty much the same things I want.

I have nothing against religious people. I do have something against phonies. And Rick Perry is a phony. He is George Bush..without the smarts.

[Alan]

But you see, that's the problem Peggy, you (and at least one of your sources) are trying to tie her comments into the one thing that most people know about Paul Revere, his famous Midnight Ride. But the fact is, Revere did a little more during his lifetime than Longfellow gave him credit for in the poem.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_Alarm for a little background on the events Palin was talking about.


After the Powder Alarm, militia forces throughout New England were more cautious with their supplies and more intent on gaining information about Gage's plans and troop movements. Paul Revere played a significant role in distributing this information due to his geographical position in Boston, his social position as a middle-class craftsman in contact with all social classes, and his political position as a well-known Patriot propagandist and organizer.[18]



[edit] The colonists organize

On September 21, 1774, Patriot leaders met in Worcester and urged town meetings to organize a third of the militias into special companies of minutemen in constant readiness to march.[19] They also instituted the system of express riders and alarms that would prove to be critical at Lexington and Concord.[18] In October, the former legislature of Massachusetts met in defiance of the Massachusetts Government Act and declared itself to be the First Provincial Congress. It created a Committee of Safety modeled after a body with the same name during the English Civil War and it recommended that a quarter of the militia be designated as minutemen.[16] Military stores were to be stockpiled away from the coast (more than a convenient day's march), to make attempts to seize them more difficult. The largest stockpiles were located at Concord and Worcester.[20]
[edit] Portsmouth Alarm

Early in December, British military command voted to prohibit the export of arms and powder to North America, and to secure all remaining stores. On December 12, intelligence received by Paul Revere indicated that a seizure of stores at Fort William and Mary in Portsmouth, New Hampshire was imminent. He rode from Boston to Portsmouth the next day to notify the local Patriots, who quickly raided the fort on the 14th and removed its supplies. Revere's intelligence had been incorrect; while a British operation had been contemplated, it had not been ordered. The British did eventually send ships carrying troops to Portsmouth, but they arrived long after the event. The first arrived on the 17th, and was directed into shallows at high tide by a local Patriot pilot, much to the captain's anger.[17]
Stores of gunpowder—typically referred to by Loyalists as "the King's powder" and by Patriots as "the militia's powder"—were also carried off from forts in Newport, Rhode Island, Providence, Rhode Island, and New London, Connecticut and distributed to the militias in towns away from the coast.[21] Cannon and other supplies were smuggled out of Boston and Charlestown.[22]

My apologies to everyone else for helping this thread get off track, but some things just need to be disputed.

[Catwoman]

Sorry, Peggy, its "inside track" not "inside tract"

Please provide stats/links for your claims about what the majority of Americans want...Also, even if that were true, the manner in which Hussein Obama wants to achieve it is unconstitutional and quite unpopular (as is he currently).

Mods - please note - please check urban dictionary for definition of "teabagger". I have requested this before. It is a filthy designation and I would respectfully ask others in the forum to use the term "teapartier". You can still sneer derisively, it just won't be so graphically offensive.

[freein05]

Teabagger I like that phrase. First time I have seen and I like it.

[Catwoman]

For your edification Freein05 - like this?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=teabagger

[Zigzagman]

For your edification Freein05 - like this?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=teabagger

Looks like they didn't know the meaning or maybe it is all just BS? I like meaning #2 from your link - "A whining fool shouting loudly for liberty but not willing to pay the bill."


Peace

[loosechickens]

Thanks, zigzagman, for the additional information about how Governor Perry has managed to work around the weak governorship in Texas to consolidate power for himself. Very interesting. And since he has the benefit of having most of the legislature in his pocket as well, I can see that happening.

I think he should not be underestimated. He may well not be bright, but often even rather stupid people can be very shrewd, calculating and able to manipulate others. And there is a lot of big Texas money backing Governor Perry.

We shall simply have to wait and see how all this unfolds. Personally, I think there are a lot of surprises left before a GOP candidate will get the nomination. Who knows what will happen?