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    Quote Originally Posted by peggy View Post
    Well, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching you!
    I do love how above you implicitly threatened me with actual violence in the real world though (through your BATF comment), that was pretty classy of you. And quite telling of your desire to use force to impose your will on others who are doing you no harm. Wouldn't it have been funny if you'd actually made such a call, reported something inflammatory, and they'd taken the bait, and showed up here in the dark of morning with a full raid? Laughs all around.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

    Pretty loathsome of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freein05 View Post
    NRA has the answer to these mass murders. Arm the teachers and everyone else in schools. They say Everyone in the country should be packing heat to prevent mass murders. i just can not understand what makes them think the way they do. What a bunch of idiots
    It seems to have worked for Israel.

    We arm airline pilots. We arm police officers. We have armed guards following around our political leaders. We arm poultry inspectors, for goodness sake.

    So what is "idiotic" about having armed, trained individuals on-site guarding our children, the most precious thing we all have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Actually, what they said was to put a police officer or security guard in every school, which is already done in virtually every inner city school.

    But, even if your version was correct, what effect would the possibility of an armed teacher or school administrator have on a potential mass murderer of schoolchildren?
    In most cases none!!!! Another mass murder today. "(Reuters) - Four people died on a Pennsylvania highway on Friday when a gunman shot dead three people and later was killed in a shootout with police, authorities said.
    Three state troopers were injured in the incident in Frankstown Township, about 100 miles east of Pittsburgh."

    But that is just your everyday mass murder in America. This seems to happen every day. Think how many more we would have if 300 million people were armed like the NRA wants. The NRA does not even want to have a discussion on ways to limit gun violence. Their position continues to be just arm everyone and gun violence will go away.

    The NRA and their position on guns is partly responsible for the death of 20 beautiful children. This comes from a former NRA member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    It seems to have worked for Israel.

    We arm airline pilots. We arm police officers. We have armed guards following around our political leaders. We arm poultry inspectors, for goodness sake.

    So what is "idiotic" about having armed, trained individuals on-site guarding our children, the most precious thing we all have?
    First you of all people must realize that most schools are very spread and it would take more than one armed individual to protect many schools. A policemen who responded to the Sand Hook shooting stated the shooter was so heavily armed that he felt he could have not stopped him. So we are talking probably tens of thousands of guards. Will the tea party pay for them. Then there are malls and thousands of other soft targets. So if you eliminate one soft target the shooter will go after another. To guard all of the soft targets you are talking hundreds of thousands of armed guards.

    Now I see why the NRA wants to arm everyone.

    Israel is a totally different. it has a population that is far less than the US and almost everyone is fully trained and part of the army reserve. They even keep their military weapons at home. Their weapons training is continuing and each individual is in the reserves and is overseen by a regular army NCO or officer. With all of these type of protection they still have had mass killings.

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    I wonder if the armed guards would be issued semi auto assault weapons with extended magazines and body armour so they wouldn't be out gunned by the shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I wonder if the armed guards would be issued semi auto assault weapons with extended magazines and body armour so they wouldn't be out gunned by the shooters.
    Great idea, but IMO, just another fancy tablecloth solution to cover-up that ugly old table...

    Can't refinish or fix it, cover it up. Same goes for the rampant gun-culture, but unlike the table that has no fix, take a problem that actually has a fix, and instead of acting upon it, cry "no solutions", then move to cover it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freein05 View Post
    First you of all people must realize that most schools are very spread and it would take more than one armed individual to protect many schools.
    Which is just another example of why the governement doesn't actually protect you from anything. They just clean up after the damage is done. Self defence is a more effecive solution.


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    The NRA, needs you, Yossarian.

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    Or maybe it's that self defense has a MUCH QUICKER response time than calling 911 and waiting for the police to arrive. It makes no sense that untrained citizens would be better capable of disarming a mass shooter than professional police. That's an absurd comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnys View Post
    Or maybe it's that self defense has a MUCH QUICKER response time than calling 911 and waiting for the police to arrive. It makes no sense that untrained citizens would be better capable of disarming a mass shooter than professional police. That's an absurd comparison.
    Uh, the comparison is that, well - self defense has a MUCH QUICKER response time than calling 911 and waiting for the police to arrive.

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