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    I'm not going to read through this whole thread, so forgive me if I touch on stuff already discussed in length.

    I know a bit about weaponry, although admittedly not nearly as much I used to. In the 1970s, I rose in the ranks to the position of Infantry Weapons Platoon Sergeant. I was in charge of training troops in the use of M-16s, M60 machine guns, and mortars. When it came time, it was my job to assign gun and mortar teams out to infantry platoons in our company, lay out fields of fire, make sure weapons were clean and operational, etc. When my 4 years in the Marine Corps was up, I never touched another gun until recently when I bought a farm, after discovering the need to protect my livestock and protection dogs from predators.

    In the Corps, I showed an aptitude for weaponry, firing high expert with the 45, M-16, M-14, and the M-60, all. I apparently retain some of that ability, given my success with predators.

    I remember in the Marines dropping by a gun store to humor a friend and was surprised to see an AR-15. It looked exactly like an M-16. I broke it down and the only difference I could find was the ability to switch back and forth to automatic fire, although this was very superficial. I could see that a simple modification could easily remedy that difference. I was shocked to learn guns like this were available to civilians. I believed then and believe now there is no good or rational reason for this. People just don't need guns like this. These are guns of war, not toys or home protection devices. Nobody here or elsewhere will convince me otherwise.

    I am encouraged that there are signs the gun lobby is losing its grip, both on the electorate and on reality. Wayne Lapiere used to be gun control's worst enemy. After his moronic, tone deaf comments the other day, he is turning into its greatest asset. The more these people talk, the dumber they sound.
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    At the risk of incurring IL's wrath, I have to say I don't understand why some people get away with ad hominem attacks just because they are couched in shrill and incoherent rants.

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    Originally posted by The Storyteller.
    I am encouraged that there are signs the gun lobby is losing its grip, both on the electorate and on reality. Wayne Lapiere used to be gun control's worst enemy. After his moronic, tone deaf comments the other day, he is turning into its greatest asset. The more these people talk, the dumber they sound.
    Music to my ears... Ahhh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post
    People just don't need guns like this.
    Phew! I'm glad to know that's out of the way. There was a big crowd forming waiting for you to tell us what we need. So glad you resolved that for us, we can all go home now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Phew! I'm glad to know that's out of the way. There was a big crowd forming waiting for you to tell us what we need. So glad you resolved that for us, we can all go home now.
    You're welcome. Glad I could help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Free, no one is disputing the numbers, but it is at least courteous to source your cut and paste contributions. But that's just format. As for substance, how many of the deaths are attributable to "assault weapons" in a way that would not have occurred by other means (such as still legal pistols or rifles) if those "assault weapons" were not available?
    It would be interesting to know how many murders are attributed to "assault weapons" but the FBI numbers don't show the model of weapon used. One other interesting thing of note, in every State more murders were committed with knives than rifles of all types: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-20

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    Never take a gun to a knife fight.

    No, wait...
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    I am encouraged that there are signs the gun lobby is losing its grip, both on the electorate and on reality. Wayne Lapiere used to be gun control's worst enemy. After his moronic, tone deaf comments the other day, he is turning into its greatest asset. The more these people talk, the dumber they sound.
    Yea, he makes a pretty good case for gun control. If not gun control then we are going to get way worse solutions, government databases of mental ill people (that's both discriminatory and a violation of privacy, it's one of those ideas where it's like "where do I *even* *start* on what is wrong with that idea?"), or censorship of media, or schools with as many armed guards and security measures as prisons. Yea well making the case for gun control ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Why depend on a modern-day opinion of what the amendment means when we have the founders and their contemporaries thoughts on the subject? Here are a few for consideration:

    ""Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington)
    That George Washington quote shows up alot on the internet but is bogus according to: http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html
    All the others though are legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post
    I know a bit about weaponry, although admittedly not nearly as much I used to. ...

    I remember in the Marines dropping by a gun store to humor a friend and was surprised to see an AR-15. It looked exactly like an M-16. I broke it down and the only difference I could find was the ability to switch back and forth to automatic fire, although this was very superficial. I could see that a simple modification could easily remedy that difference.....

    Explain to us then, as you "know a bit", the modifications the BATF and the manufacturers made, decades ago, to make sure that the "simple modification" was not simple at all... You probably know all that stuff, ya?

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