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    Quote Originally Posted by redfox View Post
    I absolutely see race; it's an important part of someone's identity, history, and culture, be they Scottish & Caucasian, Guatemalan American (my oldest daughter), Egyptian immigrant (my BIL), first generation Latino (my fav neighbors), etc. Race is a social construct deep with cultural, if not biological and scientific meaning. Ethnicity is culture. Anyone who claims to not see race is fooling themselves, or operating on the presumption that the only way to view people as equals is to not see a core part of their humanity.

    I also see see gender, height, & age. These attributes add to my understanding of someone as I get to know them.
    My son married a hispanic girl. They have a son. I would find it offensive if you judged him because he looks like his mom. I don't think there is any deep social construct within him. The only biological difference is his apperance, he does have blue eyes like me though. He acts no different from my other grandson and I expect no less from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfox View Post
    I absolutely see race; it's an important part of someone's identity, history, and culture, be they Scottish & Caucasian, Guatemalan American (my oldest daughter), Egyptian immigrant (my BIL), first generation Latino (my fav neighbors), etc. Race is a social construct deep with cultural, if not biological and scientific meaning. Ethnicity is culture. Anyone who claims to not see race is fooling themselves, or operating on the presumption that the only way to view people as equals is to not see a core part of their humanity.

    I also see see gender, height, & age. These attributes add to my understanding of someone as I get to know them.
    Didn't Archie Bunker feel the same way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Didn't Archie Bunker feel the same way?
    I don't know; did he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    My son married a hispanic girl. They have a son. I would find it offensive if you judged him because he looks like his mom. I don't think there is any deep social construct within him. The only biological difference is his apperance, he does have blue eyes like me though. He acts no different from my other grandson and I expect no less from him.
    It's interesting that you interpreted my seeing race as judging. Why is that, do you think? Do you actually not know which of your friends and neighbors are of a different race than you?

    And, why do you use the phrase "I expect no less from him", as if having a Latina mother and he being a mixed race kid means he would been seen as "less"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfox View Post
    It's interesting that you interpreted my seeing race as judging. Why is that, do you think? Do you actually not know which of your friends and neighbors are of a different race than you?

    And, why do you use the phrase "I expect no less from him", as if having a Latina mother and he being a mixed race kid means he would been seen as "less"?
    It goes back to the article of gentrification. And that is part of "people of color's" culture. I do think that drug dealers, prostitutes, and drunks in the park are not things to aspire to. And I'm sorry but I do think less of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfox View Post
    I don't know; did he?
    Its been years since I saw the show, that was back in the 70's I think. I'm sure he was considered a bigot for judging people for their identity, history, and culture.

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    I see we are sending a billion to the Ukraine. I wonder who will actually end up with that money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    It goes back to the article of gentrification. And that is part of "people of color's" culture. I do think that drug dealers, prostitutes, and drunks in the park are not things to aspire to. And I'm sorry but I do think less of them.
    I'm sorry, I'm confused. What is part of people of color's cultures? And yes, no one aspires to a life of law breaking. Rather than thinking that they are less than you, what if you had some curiosity about their story, and wonder why a person would be in that park, selling drugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Its been years since I saw the show, that was back in the 70's I think. I'm sure he was considered a bigot for judging people for their identity, history, and culture.
    Yes; judging people. Very different from seeing their whole selves, which includes color, race, ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfox View Post
    Yes; judging people. Very different from seeing their whole selves, which includes color, race, ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.
    Isn't that in itself judging them? Arnt you bringing your preconceived opinions with you from their race or color.

    I'll admit how someone looks matter. A young person dressed in nice pants and a dress shirt gives a different outward appearance as someone with their pants hanging down and their cap on backwards. Black or White.

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