I missed the recent debate - what did Drumpf say about the military?
I missed the recent debate - what did Drumpf say about the military?
When moderator Bret Baier noted that several high-ranking military and intelligence officials said they believed the rank-and-file military would refuse to commit war crimes, per their training to refuse illegal orders, Trump replied, "They won't refuse. They're not going to refuse me. Believe me."Originally Posted by bae
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/03/donald-trump-says-military-wont-refuse-h
Speaking as a veteran, I take this as a bit of an insult.
they should refuse, but doesn't anyone remember abu grihab, PICS PROVE OTHERWISE (for some military members), that they don't always refuse. So trump is calling for war crimes and others are ahistorically claiming the military always refuses to commit them. What a bunch of losers, all of them
Trees don't grow on money
No one I know of is making the claim that "the military always refuses to commit them". There are always bad actors and bad situations. When violations occur, the offenders are prosecuted. There are always terrible exceptions, but I happen to agree that in most times at most places, the US military conducts itself honorably.
Well, dang. That's...frightening. In keeping with the whole demagogue theme though.
UL: I have 3 graduate degrees in human services with a Ph.D in Psychology so I am well informed on MI. I have spent 25 years working with people with disabilities and many of them had a MI. If someone is really determined to kill themselves I doubt the fact that taking too many pills or shooting themselves is illegal is going to stop them and I have never known someone to be prosecuted for this. Usually suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. People are free to do what they want with their own bodies. In most states you have to do it yourself and can't expect someone to assist you. I am sorry that your friend is in such pain but I don't believe for one minute that if assisted suicide was legal that he would choose that when he has so far chosen to live. There is a reason he is choosing to live. Obviously there is really something wrong with Trump for thinking that he can make decisions-even immoral and illegal ones for other people.
this is the most disturbing thing I've heard.
Well, I am just a humble fisherman. So I can't claim to know what people -- especially those with MI feel or want. I leave that up to them.
But I do know that people ought to be free to choose to do whatever they want with their bodies. I suppose you'd ban anything that can shorten someone's life? Smoking ciggies? Heavy drinking? Dangerous sports? Unprotected sex?
Here is what they failed to teach you in that fancy PhD program:
So what if shooting a gun inside a house (to kill oneself) is illegal -- they will do it anyway? So what if taking pills is illegal? A suicidal person will do it anyway? That is really your PhD level answer here?
"They'll do it anyway! Why have something humane, compassionate, and in accordance with their wishes? Just let them take a bunch of pills and whiskey!"
Come on. You dug yourself into a deep hole here, Doctor. Like I said you would, you doubled down on something you know is wrong.
Actually, my friend tried very hard to kill himself. It did not work. He stays alive now not for any joy associated with life, but because he does not want to put his wife through trauma yet. Though she has tearfully told me that if doctor assisted suicide was legal she'd support his decision to do it.
So quit acting like you know every MI person's problem is temporary. You don't!
I can favor physician assisted suicide for the traditionally terminally ill, I also believe they should be allowed to do it themselves or a family member perform the act for them. In Oregon, it is no small thing to die this way, I forget the exact info but remember at least two docs have to sign off and the person is evaluated psychologically.
I agree that people outside of this rather small group should be able to do what they want, regardless of legality. However, I don't back physician assisted suicide for the mentally ill or family members doing it. I believe in mobile crisis intervention, 72 hr psych holds for the suicidal and affordable, accessible psych care, especially for those who have it long term. I believe in prevention but if someone is determined, even after good intervention, well then, that's their choice. I have seen terminally ill depressed patients ready to end it all, we do a suicide contract, get meds on board immediately, therapy and crisis intervention, make sure painful symptoms are managed and 99% of the time, once all is in place, they no longer want to kill themselves. If we did this for non-terminal patients as well, I believe suicide would be much less prevalent.
UL: I didn't say it is always temporary -I said "usually." I could give a shit if people choose to drink themselves to death, take drugs, etc. It is their life and they can choose to live the way they want. your friend is not alive because it is illegal to kill himself-he is choosing life at this point. When you have 25 years experience working with this population and the advanced edcation to do so then you can tell me I am wrong. Right now your opinion is ill informed and ignorant.
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