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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Our society closed down so that hospitals would not be overloaded, so we wouldnt have to ration respirators and medical care and etc.

    Does anyone see the irony in our choosing not to award health cares services to some sick people while limiting health care services to other sick people, we did exactly that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Our society closed down so that hospitals would not be overloaded, so we wouldnt have to ration respirators and medical care and etc.

    Does anyone see the irony in our choosing not to award health cares services to some sick people while limiting health care services to other sick people, we did exactly that?
    We've always known governments are not responsive enough and have no incentive to provide excellent healthcare when it is easier to ration it. I think the irony is that most won't acknowledge it.
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    I cancelled everything routine but if I had something serious going on would definitely go in.

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    It's not just elective surgeries but things like cancer tumor operations that have been cancelled. The government is out of control. Every week in my state it's some new restriction although the disease is trending downwards some. I'm waiting for someone who can't or won't pay a civil fine for not wearing a mask to be jailed. That's the next step in the trajectory we're on.

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    Maybe in that state. But maybe only there. Cancer tumors is precisely the type of things restrictions were lifted for here last week, and that was not a lift of the lockdown and the disease is not actually trending down in some parts of this state (at best it's level under lockdown), it was a lift of some medical procedures, colonscopies too, so if anyone is just dying to get a colonoscopy now and they are in CA, it is their lucky day.

    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/22/go...ovid-19-surge/

    Don't you wish your governor was hot like ours I guess, because if Newsom can figure out how to handle medical treatment (which was contingent on the medical system of the state not being overwhelmed with covid and it's not at this point) it shouldn't be impossible.
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    Justin Trudeau is hot too.

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    If the hospitals in a given state are financially sound, then I would say the state governor might be hot.

    Otherwise... a slow motion train wreck in hospitals.

    Except for San Francisco and New York City, health systems across the USA are experiencing a decline in patient volume. Nationally it has been a drop of 56% from 3/1/20 to 4/15/20.
    California overall -50%
    Florida -47%
    Texas -56%
    Illinois -59%

    Source: Crowe LLP

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    Wow, those numbers are really high, aren't they.

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    Good article imo. It seems besides the testing being insufficient (and yes total cumulative cases are not current cases obviously although this thing is pretty new yet), that the tests are delayed enough (still, does anyone know?) that when we look at test results we are seeing results from the past not the present, like looking at distant long burned out suns in the sky (I mean ok they are not quite *that* delayed but).

    I suspect there to be an uptick in cases here soon, not because we aren't still under lockdown, we are, but people are following it less and less I think. But even if there was would it even show up until a month from now or something. Hospitalization is one thing and they do look at it (well local govts anyway, not sure the Fed gov is looking at anything much), deaths sure but that's very much delayed obviously.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...tainty/610819/
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    Serious question. How many tests are actually needed to establish a reasonable diagnosis? How many tests at great expense and use of resources are a CYA expenditure? Telemedicine is possibly going to clarify if a lot of hospital visits are necessary or not provided the medical people get their payment schemes worked out and electronic records are universal to all providers on a 'need to know basis'.
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