Please explain this to me

[Yppej]

Yppej, Your constant harping on how we should just stay home forever is ridiculous. I wish you had that option.

Me too. If I could stay home and survive financially I would. But I am not independently wealthy nor do I have a retirement income. And some of the people critical of me are fortunate enough to have the option of working from home which I do not, or not working at all.

[Yppej]

Everyone has a need to get out.

Need or want?

[Yppej]

If you oppose the confinement of a burkha, and realize it is traumatic psychologically as well as physically, you should understand some of the objections to a mask.

[ApatheticNoMore]

if people were only asking women to wear masks then the objections would be the same as burka, I mean the objections to a burka, which whatever I'm live and let live about that type of stuff pretty much, it's that it's a symbol of patriarchy right. A mask is now a symbol of patriarchy? Ok ...

[frugal-one]

There’s never been a virus yet that could spread as fast as a lie congenial to the prevailing narrative.

Whatever that means?? ...

[Tybee]

Everyone has a need to get out. Being isolated sucks. Old people can’t stay home for years. Tybee it’s hard for people with dementia to talk on the phone.

I hadn't realized how hard, as she was doing okay with it until this lockdown at the facility. Being locked in their rooms, unable to come out, has done a number on both of them cognitively, including my dad, as he says he has lost track of time now. He can't understand things that are happening, that I'm saying--it;s not just his deafness, as he has the captioned phone. He just can't follow the same way, and she can barely talk on the phone now.

[Teacher Terry]

A psychological need Y. Tybee, my friend with Alzheimer’s lost her ability to talk on the phone once she went into a facility. It probably had to do with being separated from her husband. He wanted to go with her as he was dying but with a feeding tube in his stomach no facility in Nevada or California could take him. He also did it himself feeding and cleaning. I can see how they would go downhill without family stimulation.

[frugal-one]

That's true. But for the living, being with loved ones when they die is an immeasurable blessing. I was with my mother and my MIL when they died, and I am so glad. It may or may not have helped them, but it definitely helped me. I think the inability of loved ones to be with parents/spouses/etc during these times is huge trauma and tragedy.

Can't we come up with a solution that ensures the safety of all, yet permits the intimacy at these critical times?

I disagree. I was with MIL and FIL when they died. I held MIL's hand. Not sure she knew I was there. To be truthful, it did nothing for me but make me remember watching them die. I wish I had never seen that.

[iris lilies]

I've never been with a loved one when they died--unless you count my cats. It's my opinion that we all die alone.

You are truly my clone. I think the same, and I’m not sure that I would want anyone hovering around me if I was in that twilight space between full life and death. I’m not saying that I would not want someone, I’m just saying I don’t know.

There are all those stories about family members hanging over someone’s deathbed crying and blabbing, and when the family steps out of the room, the sick one dies, finally getting some peace for that journey.

But chances are being on a respirator I wouldn’t be concerned about people around me or might prefer peace and quiet. And as I previously stated on another thread, I assureD DH did not want him to come to a hospital every day to hang out or to feel guilty that he cannot.

I put my cat to sleep a couple weeks ago and my vet did allow Owners to be present at euthanasia even though they are not allowing owners to come in for exams. But I chose not toL because I just didn’t think it was worth the risk to any of us. I knew they would be nice to my kitty and she she likes everyone so that was my justification. She isnt a normal cat. Yes, I was one of those assholes who didn’t stay with her pet while she was euthanized. I’ve never done that ever before. But there’s a first time for everything.

[Yppej]

Masks:

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1

Apples, oranges, and confusion. Some deliberate.

For those who have not read the linked article, it repeatedly states that there are no RCT's (randomized controlled trials) proving masks are effective for coronavirus. It says it "may have" a "partial effect" on viral shedding. A lot of this is namby-pamby. For example:

If only sick people wear masks the sick people will feel bad and we can't have their feelings hurt by social stigma.
Wearing a mask is a "signal of solidarity".
Masks give people not claustrophobia and discomfort but "a feeling of empowerment and self-efficacy". Nice try but no cigar.