Getting the vaccine??

[iris lilies]

I think we need to examine deaths after getting the vaccine so proper advice can be given to this population prior to making the decision. People in rescue get rapid about fixing dogs where in some instances it’s just not necessary but dangerous.

Fortunately, our rescue head is well-versed on health issues and we do not always neuter or spay. Also we are not universally giving vaccines to elderly pets.

My last beloved dog was immune compromised and at the age of four he was not neutered. I was not planning on having him neutered. But then, he got kidney stones and since he was laying out on the surgical table for that Problem, we neutered him while he was there. He was healthier and happier because of it, so that worked out.At the same time we had an unspayed female in our house so that would’ve required separations during her heat cycle, but I was willing to handle that. She died with her reproductive organs intact.

[jp1]

So you are categorically denying any relationship between Covid vaccine and death in the elderly? Interesting. That doesn’t seem very open minded to any science that may come down the pike.

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I think I made it clear a few comments earlier that I was glad it was being investigated.

So could they have died from the vaccine? Sure. Did they? Probably not but it’s good that the deaths are being investigated.

[JaneV2.0]

There are always some outliers who react badly to vaccines or their adjuvants. These cases should never be ignored.

[iris lilies]

I think I made it clear a few comments earlier that I was glad it was being investigated.

oh ok. So, you are open to the possibility that fragile elderly people who have had Covid perhaps would not be a population to inoculate if the investigations show causal relationships between vaccine and death.

[GeorgeParker]

https://www.thestreet.com/latest-new...t-of-the-story This article talks about death among the elderly with a Pfizer vaccine and how there appears to be a link.

Two relevant quotes from that article:

"the normal procedure is to report all suspected adverse reactions for new vaccines. Health care professionals in Norway have a low threshold for reporting possible adverse reactions, even when the causal relationships appear very unclear."

"We are now asking for doctors to continue with the vaccination, but to carry out extra evaluation of very sick people whose underlying condition might be aggravated by it."

IOW they think doctors should be cautious about giving the vaccine to people who are already very frail or have serious underlying condition(s) because the known potential reactions to the vaccine might aggravate their underlying condition or put an excess strain on their body, and this is especially so if the patient has already had Covid-19 and recovered from it.

I'll endorse that position 100%. It's plain common sense, especially at this early stage of Covid vaccine usage. But even so, the link is so very tentative that the officials are couching their concerns in terms of there being "a low threshold for reporting...even when the causal relationships appear very unclear."

I think it’s reasonable to be concerned about frail persons who have already survived Covid been given en masse this vaccine.

I agree. Everything has a risk:reward ratio, and sometimes that ratio is under estimated or downplayed because the reward is so important in comparison to the relatively small average risk. But average risk isn't always the same as individual risk, so individual decisions have to be made, even when mass vaccinations are being offered.

And Poor Hank Aaron, 86, who took the Covid shot to show African-Americans it is safe and he then died. Oh I know it’s been determined there’s no connection, and I believe that, but man the optics are bad.

Yes, it is unfortunate optics, but as you said, there's no indication that Hank Aaron's death was in any way related to him being vaccinated. Ref: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/sc...atural-causes/

Significant Quotes from that URL:

In a statement emailed to AFP Fact Check, the county medical examiner, Karen Sullivan, said: “There was no information suggestive of an allergic or anaphylactic reaction to any substance which might be attributable to recent vaccine distribution.” She added: “In addition, examination of Mr. Aaron’s body did not suggest his death was due to any event other than that associated with his medical history.”

Andrew Young, the former congressman, mayor and U.S. ambassador, who also was vaccinated at the clinic the same day as Aaron, told Atlanta’s 11Alive that he was told Aaron “never had any reaction” to the shot prior to his death. “I talked to the fella who was his driver, and I said, ‘was Hank feeling any discomfort or any problem over the last few days?’ and he said, ‘no, he wanted to keep his schedule,'” the news station quoted Young as saying.

To which I will add a reminder that "correlation is not causation" https://towardsdatascience.com/why-c...n-5b99790df07e and "post hoc ergo propter hoc" (after it, therefore because of it) is a fallacy https://fallacyinlogic.com/post-hoc-...-and-examples/

[Tybee]

My dad died 10 days after getting his first vaccine. But there were so many other forces at work, I would be loathe to blame the vaccine. Perhaps it contributed, who knows.

[iris lilies]

My dad died 10 days after getting his first vaccine. But there were so many other forces at work, I would be loathe to blame the vaccine. Perhaps it contributed, who knows.

I am sorry to hear this.

[Tybee]

I am sorry to hear this.

Thank you.

[Tradd]

Tybee, so sorry to hear about your dad.

[Tybee]

Tybee, so sorry to hear about your dad.

thank you, Tradd.