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    Since covid can cause many of the things you might end up in the hospital with, there is no easy way to disentangle them, heart attack, covid can cause that, blood clots, yep covid can cause that, stroke, possibly, lung problems obviously. The only clearly not caused by covid is things like pregnancy (I suppose covid could cause complications but it doesn't cause pregnancy), a schedule surgery like knee surgery etc.. Even a broken bone could I supposed be caused by one of the long covid type symptoms like brain fog or fatigue making one clumsy although clearly one can get a broken bone without covid. And one doesn't die of many of these things either.
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    My friend's uncle's gardener saw a tweet about this thing someone wrote on a wall about a new flavor of covid the other day:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...335v1.full.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    My friend's uncle's gardener saw a tweet about this thing someone wrote on a wall about a new flavor of covid the other day:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...335v1.full.pdf
    TLDR?

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    TLDR?
    Omicron The Sequel: More resistant. At least in hamsters.

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    I’ve been reading the back and forth for the past month. Here is what I’m relying on

    number of ICU beds available, which even if available may not be staffed. I would have to be transported over an hour if I needed an ICU. And I don’t live in a rural area. I saw a bicyclist get hit today and he went flying off his bike. Several people got to him before me but I could see his scraped up face and he could not walk. Luckily the ambulance got there quickly and all I could think of was what if he needs a high level of care. Can this young man get it?

    the cdc excess death report. Compared to many years of death data, over a million more people have died than usual since the start of COVID. Arguing if they died because of COVID or with COVID is useless. They died at a higher rate than average and many could still be alive.

    life expectancy which has decreased.

    it has been a heartbreaking few years with many taken from us too early.

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    My city rescinded its mask mandate. The room was packed and other people called in remotely. It was one heartbreaking story after another - my daughter is deaf and relies on lip reading but can't when people are wearing masks, my son is autistic and a mask feels like a thousand needles stabbing his face, my child has trouble breathing but is denied a mask break outside because it's too cold. The harshness and rigidity especially with special needs students has been appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbgeek View Post
    Omicron The Sequel: More resistant. At least in hamsters.
    Dang it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultralight View Post
    Dang it!
    Yeah. It’s going to be damned hard putting masks on those hamsters.

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    yea back and forth, the case for it not being a big deal is it didn't seem to cause a 2nd wave in places hit hard by omicron version 1, like South Africa, but then it is the wave in Denmark, and south africa is where the omicron is mild speculation came from initially, it was not mild in u.s. not that well vaccinated etc. population.
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    This is an interesting https://theconversation.com/vaccine-hesitancy-why-doing-your-own-research-doesnt-work-but-reason-alone-wont-change-minds-169814?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from %20The%20Conversation%20for%20February%2018%202022 &utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20February%2018%202022+CID_53c180f984eaa397d48 328050fdc92f8&utm_source=campaign_monitor_ca&utm_t erm=Vaccine%20hesitancy%20Why%20doing%20your%20own %20research%20doesnt%20work%20butt%20reason%20alon e%20wont%20change%20minds article on the hesitant vaxxer mindset. We are all experiencing similar issues about masks, 4th jabs, group situations, you name it, etc.

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    The tethered mind
    A more realistic conception of the human mind is one where we are reasoning creatures, but the reasoning system is interconnected — or tethered — to other biological systems that evolved earlier and function without our conscious input or awareness. Some examples are autonomic, instinctive and associative systems. This is a common-sense idea with deep implications developed in my book Reason and Less: Pursuing Food, Sex and Politics. What it means is that human behaviour is affected by all of these systems — not just reason, as is often assumed.

    Diagram of different aspects of behaviour.
    Reason is not the only factor in determining behaviour. Instinctive, automatic and associative systems also play a role. (V. Goel), Author provided
    How these systems interact is guided by feelings: pleasure and displeasure. In some situations, the same action may be triggered by multiple systems. In other situations, different systems trigger different — even contradictory — actions. The overall response is guided by the principle of maximizing pleasure and minimizing displeasure, determined by combining the individual system responses

    In-groups and out-groups
    Deciding who to believe activates in-group/out-group systems. The in-group is always good and righteous. The out-group is of questionable virtue and held in lower regard. This bias is often regarded as based in belief or reason. If this were the case, we should be able to change it by changing beliefs, but we cannot.
    As Cicero said, “Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others.”

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