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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    No, we're thinking Obama set a record for deportations without resistors rioting in the streets. I wonder why?
    I don't know. Effective leadership that can deescalate instead of antagonize. What do you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    There were not masked, plain-clothed thugs grabbing people off the street and sending them God knows where. It was done in an ethical and legal fashion… unlike now!
    Logistically, how do you round up and deport 3,000,000 people in a manner you would find ethical and legal? I'm thinking that ICE and Customs & Border Patrol officers haven't changed their routines much between then and now, other than now making efforts to protect themselves and their families from a politically charged resistance who could find no reason to pay attention earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I don't know. Effective leadership that can deescalate instead of antagonize. What do you think.
    I think it definitely depends on who's in charge. Politically, sometimes following the law is ok, sometimes it's not. I think it depends upon whether or not you think the person in charge is a light-bringer or Hitler incarnate. Perspective is everything.
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    Well, my AI says the difference in policies is that Obama deportations focused on serious criminals, recent border crossings, and immediate threats to national security and Trump is deporting any unauthorized immigrant regardless of their ties to the US.

    One can assume the latter is more likely to cause bigger resistance by breaking up honest families who have been here for decades, even using elementary schools are a place to round up folks. Sending them to bizarre prisons doesn't help.

    I was also wondering how that ICE agent was able to concentrate on holding up his cell phone and focusing on recording, while at the same time trying to defuse or understand a situation and possibly use a deadly weapon. Don't they have body cams for that? Is the DOJ filtering out what they release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I don't know. Effective leadership that can deescalate instead of antagonize. What do you think.
    Well, I won’t argue with that goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    You know what they say about those who assume! Minneapolis is not St. Louis. And, no, I am not ok with your assumptions.
    ah, tell me then what role Renée was playing in that protest. How did she come to be there. What was her goal in being there. And etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I was also wondering how that ICE agent was able to concentrate on holding up his cell phone and focusing on recording, while at the same time trying to defuse or understand a situation and possibly use a deadly weapon. Don't they have body cams for that? Is the DOJ filtering out what they release.
    I think the cell phone recording is pretty much standard operating procedure to document people and vehicles in a manner that can be quickly and easily retrieved when needed. I don't think the thought of using a deadly weapon came to mind for the officer until the moment that vehicle accelerated towards him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I think the cell phone recording is pretty much standard operating procedure to document people and vehicles in a manner that can be quickly and easily retrieved when needed. I don't think the thought of using a deadly weapon came to mind for the officer until the moment that vehicle accelerated towards him.
    I didn't know that. At least in the news I've not noticed police holding up cell phones, but it must happen. I was also wondering if ICE agents are required to have body cams and if we will ever see that if they had them.

    My evening news commentary said that Trump supporters could watch all the videos and say self defense and dems could watch the same videos and say otherwise and that it's the way the mind works. It's not obvious either way to me.
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    Brother was a border patrol officer on the Arizona border for many years. Said ICE used to be a very low key operation - mostly undercover working with various parties to apprehend illegal immigrants. He said he does not recognize or believe that its current behavior is acceptable or normal.

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    So, I surprised myself by actually considering that if anything happened to Donald Trump we might actually be in a WORSE way with J.D.Vance. He is young and inexperienced and Steven Miller and others would make him their puppet.
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