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    I watch MSNBC on a regular basis, and I have seen them correct their own factual errors on air. I'm pretty good at fact-checking myself and observe that they seem to deal in solid facts along with their (often hilarious) partisan commentary. The leftie pundits I most admire are quick to cite their source material and invite their viewers/listeners to (gasp!) think for themselves.

    I've also watched Fox, that characterized voter-registration organization Acorn as the racketeering arm of the Democrat/Communist party, and Van Jones look like a bomb-throwing anarchist instead of the environmentalist he actually is. And of course Shirley Sherrod was a rabid racist. Riiiiight. And how can we forget Glenn Beck.

    It's always a good idea to listen to both sides, consider the source, and do your own research.

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    Peggy, would you be referring to the Obama healthcare rally where there was a guy outside carrying a gun? The same one that MSNBC edited the photos to create a "racial" side to the story, the part they left out was the guy was African-American...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
    Peggy, would you be referring to the Obama healthcare rally where there was a guy outside carrying a gun? The same one that MSNBC edited the photos to create a "racial" side to the story, the part they left out was the guy was African-American...
    I remember that. Very amusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I watch MSNBC on a regular basis, and I have seen them correct their own factual errors on air. I'm pretty good at fact-checking myself and observe that they seem to deal in solid facts along with their (often hilarious) partisan commentary. The leftie pundits I most admire are quick to cite their source material and invite their viewers/listeners to (gasp!) think for themselves.

    I've also watched Fox, that characterized voter-registration organization Acorn as the racketeering arm of the Democrat/Communist party, and Van Jones look like a bomb-throwing anarchist instead of the environmentalist he actually is. And of course Shirley Sherrod was a rabid racist. Riiiiight. And how can we forget Glenn Beck.

    It's always a good idea to listen to both sides, consider the source, and do your own research.
    It is absolutely always good to consider both sides. But just going with your comments I do have to ask, is there any chance you may have had your mind made up prior to hearing the other side?

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    "It is absolutely always good to consider both sides. But just going with your comments I do have to ask, is there any chance you may have had your mind made up prior to hearing the other side? "--Gregg

    I've been a liberal all my life, so there is that. On the other hand, back when there were such individuals as moderate Republicans, I regularly voted for them. I've read, listened to, and watched conservative commentators as they've swung harder to the right and it has made me more certain than ever that their values are not in line with mine. I'm all for personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility, order and justice, and many of the issues they pay lip service to, but mostly what I see beyond the lip service is a disdain for the "little people" (thank you, Leona Helmsley), overweening greed, and a lust for war that defies all reason. If you can point to a conservative writer who doesn't embody those "values," I'd be happy to read her/his work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    If you can point to a conservative writer who doesn't embody those "values," I'd be happy to read her/his work.
    Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus.

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    Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
    Not exactly a card-carrying member of the GOP, though. And a little too old to run for office............ perhaps Jane should have added the word "current" to her request for a conservative writer.

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    Bae, I just knew you'd come up with a worthy fossil! I'm convinced you're either a time traveler or the Dos Equis guy.

    There's a libertarian blogger I read who disdains government at least partly because it has become so totally corrupted by corporate influence. I can't disagree with him; I just wish we could take control back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest View Post

    Target is a figure of speech. I don't think anyone meant it in the literal sense except the distrurbed person who committed this unspeakable act.
    All of us who remember hearing about congressional candidate Catherine Craybill saying in a speech "We have the chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box" don't accept so lightly your contention that it's just a figure of speech.

    And even if we did accept it as a figure of speech anyone who watches the news knows there are plenty of disturbed people out there who are all too ready to commit heinous acts, and to use targets and crosshairs in political advertising knowing full well that someone might take them literally seems quite irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    And even if we did accept it as a figure of speech anyone who watches the news knows there are plenty of disturbed people out there who are all too ready to commit heinous acts, and to use targets and crosshairs in political advertising knowing full well that someone might take them literally seems quite irresponsible.
    Are you implying that Jared Lee Laughner's actions were influenced by campaign rhetoric? If so, that would be news to me.

    When the Democrats used the word "target" and placed crosshairs on maps previously, was that just as bad or do they get a pass?

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