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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post
    Jesus was a common name even in his day. Lots of folks named Jesus.

    And Muhammad is generally a surname, even though it comes first.

    I agree with bae. Send in the Marines.
    And do what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storyteller View Post

    I agree with bae. Send in the Marines.
    I didn't exactly propose to send in the Marines. I simply posted a line from the Marine Corps Hymn, to remind us that this has all happened before, in Jefferson's day. Our response at the time did include sending in the Marines, but there was a bit more to it than that...

    Perhaps jetting off to fundraise for the election is the best approach after all, time will tell....

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    Seems like US conflict with this region in many forms has been going on for decades. We are realistically still in the thick of what might be an endless ordeal. It is sad that humans let their ideological differences rule all actions. In my idealistic imagination, I wish the women of the world could rise up and say "enough".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I didn't exactly propose to send in the Marines. I simply posted a line from the Marine Corps Hymn, to remind us that this has all happened before, in Jefferson's day. Our response at the time did include sending in the Marines, but there was a bit more to it than that...

    Perhaps jetting off to fundraise for the election is the best approach after all, time will tell....
    Due to the primacy of money in U.S. elections--and thanks to that wonderful SCOTUS Citizens United decision--anyone running for office who isn't on the Koch brothers/Karl Rove/Crossroads payroll is basically chained to a treadmill of fund-raising for the duration. Fortunately, President Obama seems to be able to multi-task. He's sent in the marines, and unless you expect him to ride into the fray standing up in a HumVee, I don't know what more you'd have him do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    --anyone running for office who isn't on the Koch brothers'/Karl Rove/Crossroads payroll is basically chained to a treadmill of fund-raising for the duration.
    Unless, of course, he could get on the George Soros, ActBlue, union payroll. If a person were to have that support it might open up a little free time for other pursuits. Getting our diplomats out of the Middle East, for example. Yemen anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I didn't exactly propose to send in the Marines. I simply posted a line from the Marine Corps Hymn,
    I know. I jest.

    Mostly. I do believe a military response is warranted. Sounds like we will be working with and supporting (and perhaps joining) the Libyan government tracking this batch down and taking them out. A prudent plan, seems to me.

    BTW, I love the Marine Corps Hymn. More than our national anthem.
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    Send in the Marines:

    "It’s pop-quiz time when it comes to the American way of war: three questions, torn from the latest news, just for you. Here’s the first of them, and good luck!

    Two weeks ago, 200 U.S. Marines began armed operations in…?:

    a) Afghanistan
    b) Pakistan
    c) Iran
    d) Somalia
    e) Yemen
    f) Central Africa
    g) Northern Mali
    h) The Philippines
    i) Guatemala"

    I don't know! I choose f as I've heard such involvement has been increasing, the correct answer was i (Guatemala):
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1755...nvested_in_war

    And the U.S. is involved militarily in most of the countries. Sigh ... it's so ridiculous it really is almost funny. Endless global war.
    Trees don't grow on money

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    Oorah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    Send in the Marines:

    "It’s pop-quiz time when it comes to the American way of war: three questions, torn from the latest news, just for you. Here’s the first of them, and good luck!

    Two weeks ago, 200 U.S. Marines began armed operations in…?:

    a) Afghanistan
    b) Pakistan
    c) Iran
    d) Somalia
    e) Yemen
    f) Central Africa
    g) Northern Mali
    h) The Philippines
    i) Guatemala"

    I don't know! I choose f as I've heard such involvement has been increasing, the correct answer was i (Guatemala):
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1755...nvested_in_war

    And the U.S. is involved militarily in most of the countries. Sigh ... it's so ridiculous it really is almost funny. Endless global war.
    You have to know that 'involvement' could mean 5 advisers, or a few more marines to guard an embassy, which isn't a bad thing. Sure, I would like them to close a few more embassies. but as long as we have them, I think we need to protect them. It's really easy for those who don't understand the full extent of world political realities to just say, "let's leave", or "Stop the wars now" without understanding the real difficulty of our entanglement in those realities.
    World politics is a very tangled, and difficult place to be, and the incredible nuance needed to navigate this is pretty incomprehensible to most of us. I am a pretty smart person, but i realize i am not smart enough to navigate this.
    Please, when you vote this fall, think beyond the bumper stickers. Think about the natural curiosity, the nuance, and the ability of the candidate. The president is more than 'Will he give me a tax break" . In this age, the President has to be a leader of the World. And not a 'knee jerk leader' but a real leader,

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    Quote Originally Posted by peggy View Post
    You have to know that 'involvement' could mean 5 advisers, or a few more marines to guard an embassy, which isn't a bad thing. Sure, I would like them to close a few more embassies. but as long as we have them, I think we need to protect them. It's really easy for those who don't understand the full extent of world political realities to just say, "let's leave", or "Stop the wars now" without understanding the real difficulty of our entanglement in those realities.
    World politics is a very tangled, and difficult place to be, and the incredible nuance needed to navigate this is pretty incomprehensible to most of us. I am a pretty smart person, but i realize i am not smart enough to navigate this.
    Please, when you vote this fall, think beyond the bumper stickers. Think about the natural curiosity, the nuance, and the ability of the candidate. The president is more than 'Will he give me a tax break" . In this age, the President has to be a leader of the World. And not a 'knee jerk leader' but a real leader,
    And it would be nice if he attended the daily security briefings and maybe took action when given a couple days warning of planned embassy attacks. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8135797.html
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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