Politians can really be Dumb

[Yossarian]

Do not edit MY words. Do not!

Your words are the same as their words and are complimentary contributions to political pollution. I just love the irony when people get caught in bed with those they mock.

[Yossarian]

More election season irony

“You’re laughing, but who wants a president who will knowingly, repeatedly tell you something he knows is not true?” Clinton asked, after discounting a claim in a recent Romney ad that the Obama administration’s auto bailout hurt American workers.

[peggy]

I don't think that at all, but I do think its critical to let people make up their own minds. Some people in this world believe that when you die you keep coming back until you finally achieve the state of being a cow. Some picture a dude on a throne dealing out final judgments like playing cards. Some think you better take care of what we have here because its all there is. People come up with all kinds of explanations for all kinds of events that we didn't actually witness.

Evolution makes sense to a lot of people because we can put puzzle pieces together to form a picture. Creationism is accepted by a lot of people because they have faith in the existence of a God that could pull it off. We do not follow any particular religious path at home, but we talked with our kids about both ideas and tried to give them the tools to decide for themselves. That's the track I would like to be on. And you know what? If you remove only the most extreme, literal interpretations the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Maybe there's a lesson there that could apply in other places.

You're kind of talking in circles here. You don't think Kansas should be able to teach creationism in science class, but you think people should be able to make up their own mind? About what to teach? Well, what if they make up their minds to teach the world is flat? Is that OK? Isn't that kind of what you're saying?
No one is saying people can't believe what they want to believe. Just try to stop them! But should educational standards/curriculum be based on that?
I think you're trying to deflect/redirect with this straw man argument that I somehow want to dictate what people believe. You know that isn't true. And a dishonest redirect. I believe there should be standards in education across the entire US and shouldn't be left up to the individual states because we have seen what some states will try to do if given half the chance.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1234185.html
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...ism-in-schools
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02...hool-students/

States behaving badly when given a chance. As redfox said, faith and science are two completely different things. When you start teaching religious dogma as truth and reality, then you invite a Taliban mentality. Isn't that what we have been fighting all this time? Religious dogma as public policy?

In fact, I think you would find that most things that are handled by the feds and not at state level were designed that way or taken over BECAUSE states took advantage of/or screwed their people in the process somehow.

[Alan]

In fact, I think you would find that most things that are handled by the feds and not at state level were designed that way or taken over BECAUSE states took advantage of/or screwed their people in the process somehow.

So I take it you're in favor of an all powerful state making value judgements for you?

[peggy]

Your words are the same as their words and are complimentary contributions to political pollution. I just love the irony when people get caught in bed with those they mock.

NO. My words are my words and you will not change them and then attribute it to me. That is deceitful and dishonest. Do not do that again.

I believe a word from the moderators about this despicable practice is called for here.

[Yossarian]

NO. My words are my words and you will not change them and then attribute it to me. That is deceitful and dishonest. Do not do that again.

I believe a word from the moderators about this despicable practice is called for here.

There was full disclosure that the words were edited. It is a common internet practice, all we are missing here is the strikeout font. Everything despicable in the quote came directly from you, the only word that was changed was "libertarians" to "liberals"

[peggy]

So I take it you're in favor of an all powerful state making value judgements for you?

Value judgements? Really Alan, science isn't a liberal conspiracy! Neither is truth. Science education isn't a 'value judgement'.

And I guess you would rather have Ohio making value judgements for you. And Kansas making value judgements for people who live there, and Mississippi...oh, you get the drift. Gee, I guess it would be a real problem if you were to move from, say Ohio to Mississippi. Your whole set of 'value judgements' would have to change. Your kids might have to stop saluting the flag every morning to bowing to the east cause that's their value judgement.

[peggy]

There was full disclosure that the words were edited. It is a common internet practice, all we are missing here is the strikeout font. Everything despicable in the quote came directly from you, the only word that was changed was "libertarians" to "liberals"

Taking my words "originally posted by Peggy" and editing them (unattributed) is dishonest! If you want to say something, say something, but don't you dare post them as my words. Period!

[Alan]

Value judgements? Really Alan, science isn't a liberal conspiracy! Neither is truth. Science education isn't a 'value judgement'.

And I guess you would rather have Ohio making value judgements for you. And Kansas making value judgements for people who live there, and Mississippi...oh, you get the drift. Gee, I guess it would be a real problem if you were to move from, say Ohio to Mississippi. Your whole set of 'value judgements' would have to change. Your kids might have to stop saluting the flag every morning to bowing to the east cause that's their value judgement.

I would certainly take that sort of thing into consideration before changing states, but honestly, I love having a choice. Just consider how inclusive it feels to live in a country with choices. You're in favor of choices aren't you?

[Yossarian]

Look assclown, taking my words "originally posted by Peggy" and editing them (unattributed) is dishonest! If you want to say something, say something, but don't you dare post them as my words. Period!

It was attributed, said so in the original post.